Here is why Apple removed the 3.5mm headset jack from the new iPhone 7

"It was fighting for space with camera technologies and processors and battery life. And frankly, when there’s a better, modern solution available, it’s crazy to keep it around"...
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19. OnlyTruth unregistered

"but if you were thinking that the main reason behind the removal of the 3.5mm headset jack is vastly improved audio quality... well, at least Apple is not mentioning this at all as a reason." Did anyone read this line firom the article? Especially those who are calling it a visionary move? God you can still use wireless stuff on the current gen smartphones wirelessgurus! You don't need to remove that port! Increase the size of the chassis!

20. talon95

Posts: 994; Member since: Jul 31, 2012

"Thirdly, removing the audio jack removed one of the biggest obstacles towards making the iPhone waterproof: it was a point of ingress and removing it made it possible to water-proof the phone." If this was true Galaxy phones wouldn't exist. They didn't want to, or couldn't design it as well as Samsung engineers, but it wasn't impossible. Victor, could you just do the research and stick to the facts, instead of always falling victim to Apple marketing and regurgitating their BS. It's a disservice to your readers to spread these half truths. Even Apple users would rather be well informed than misinformed.

34. KParks23

Posts: 722; Member since: Oct 13, 2010

Lol the 3.5 jack is a obstacle and point of ingress.. but the lightning port is somehow not huh???

78. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Galaxy S5, has a headphone jack with no cover. It's IP67 rated against dist and water. Galaxy S7/edge/active and Note 7, IP68 certified against water and dust both have a headphoen jack and the Note has a pen silo to waterproof too. It sounds liek Apple was simply to cheap to spend the money needed to waterproof the headphone jack. All it takes is a rubber seal. - How Samsung waterproofed the Note 7. Engineering at its best. There is a teardown on YouTube that shows how Samsung water-resisted the Note 7. It is impeccable engineering and design. Able with $200M in cash was to cheap to simply do the same. Yet all these fans are riding Apple's jock.

21. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

Glad to see consumer tribalism hard at work with these comments. My feelings on the headphone jack you ask? Simple, I don't give a damn either way. I own mostly Bluetooth headphones yeah. And let's be real here, if this is the reason you aren't buying this weren't going to even if it had one. There are too many improvements found to justify not making a purchase from an older generation phone, like an iPhone 6 perse.

93. curiousDillan

Posts: 46; Member since: May 26, 2015

I agree with you. Most of us are either Apple people or not. The headphone jack does matter to me, but it's not a big deal because I'm an Android guy anyway.

167. k4ever

Posts: 240; Member since: Oct 08, 2014

You are right, most Android users don't care because our phones still have headphone jacks. I personally wouldn't touch Apple's outdated POS phones masquerading as "new" technology or Apple's overpriced locked-in ecosystem with a ten foot pole. The only reason I have an iPhone 6 is that it is forced on me by my company (I liked the Blackberry more). What upsets the vast majority of us is the blatant iExcuses made up by Apple fanatics for every dumb decision Apple makes. Removing the headphone jack was not done to advance headphone technology, to improve battery capacity, facilitate waterproofing, or any other crappy excuse Apple and it's fanatics want you to believe. It was a money grab, plain and simple, just like most of Apple's other decisions. The author can take this lame excuse of a story in stick it up his fourth point of contact. This story has done more harm than good.

190. swh0812

Posts: 14; Member since: Sep 10, 2016

Well said. Just like Apple's decision to replace the standard USB charger with its lightning connector. Just another money grab. And for Fanboys who are stuck in someone else's house without a lightning connector, Apple just lifted a finger for you, the middle one! My friends who have Apple are always telling me how their lightning connector breaks. That doesn't happen with Samsung or Android. They don't force unnecessary items on you simply to shake you down!

210. criss

Posts: 8; Member since: Sep 16, 2016

Personally, I don't listen to music or make any other use of the jack on my iPhone, because I have an iPod for that. So I strictly use the Lightning port. And I never feel the need to charge at the same time because of it. And even if I did, I would not listen to music for hours straight. With my iPod, I listen to music no more than an hour at a time. After that, I plug it in.

25. BattleBrat

Posts: 1476; Member since: Oct 26, 2011

Load of CRAP! Sammys and Sonys all have headphone jacks and they're more waterproof than the iPhone!

33. Derekjeter

Posts: 1466; Member since: Oct 27, 2011

Let's not try to down play this. Every move Apple makes is only for money. Just like PA every Apple article they post is only to create the fan wars above and just like fans will buy anything Apple makes, idiots like the ones above will always come and make PA money by clicking on the article to insult Apple fans.

79. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

But You're posting here too. So what does that make you? We are all tech fans. Yes PA will make money off the posts. Yep!

104. Derekjeter

Posts: 1466; Member since: Oct 27, 2011

Yes I posted a comment, but I did not start fan war. You said were all tech fans not one company fans like the ignorant people above.

211. criss

Posts: 8; Member since: Sep 16, 2016

Apple Greed™ is greater than Standard Capitalist Greed©

40. frydaexiii

Posts: 1476; Member since: Dec 01, 2011

Every other phone manufacturer that has a waterproof phone didn't have a problem waterproofing the 3.5mm jack, so either Apple has got to be filled with some of the world's crappiest engineers or the corporate fatcats just saw the chance to milk customers by making them buy more proprietary crap and had the "courage" to go ahead with it. And how is going without the 3.5mm jack the future? My old Sony Ericsson W850 from the early 2000s required a stupid 3.5mm adapter. And even then at least SE had the foresight to create the charger to have another port below so you can charge and listen to music at the same time, something which Apple didn't even consider. (​/39-220612151338.jpg) Oh wait, this article is by Victor H. That explains alot....

41. wando77

Posts: 1168; Member since: Aug 23, 2012

Bummer.... my battery is low. Oh well, I'll just listen to some music while it charges..... Oh, hang on a minute

51. LetsBeHonest

Posts: 1548; Member since: Jun 04, 2013

No matter how hard Apple supporters argues.. This is not a good move for the majority and not for the good either.. Wireless simply wont match the sound quality of wired one. (especially compared within the same price range) This move is not like they found a new better tech (like when they drop floppy in favour of CDs which I think is logical) They just limited option as usual. That being said, I still find iPhone a pretty good update with some addition like haptic feed back engine and dual speakers.

53. Ninetysix

Posts: 2962; Member since: Oct 08, 2012

Some Android manufacturers will ditch the 3.5mm port next year and will add a USB-C to 3.5mm adapter. I wonder if we'll see the same posts from this thread.

60. Awalker

Posts: 1973; Member since: Aug 15, 2013

We already saw it with the Moto Z. People complained.

81. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

I'm complaining right now. I already stated I woudl only accept the move if they gave a BETTER alternative.. Yes you didnt read the Moto Z article, because we Android users said it was stupid. But Moto didnt do it for the money. They simply did it because they heard Apple was and they rushed to be first. Honestly I am sure its a move they all will do in time. In time it will be ok because by then we will have a better substitute. Right now we dont. The fact Apple is claiming they couldnt water-proof the phone with the jack is pure bulls**t. Explain the Xperia line? Galaxy S5? Galaxy S7/edge/Active and Note 7? They all have headphones jacks. Oh wait, Apple managed to waterproof a phone with no headphone jack, yet there is a SIM card slot, speaker holes, and the chargign port. I am sure those HOLES are waterproofed. Right? So how hard is it to do the same for a jack? All it needs is a rubber seal designed to handle water pressure. Look at this video and see how its done -

212. criss

Posts: 8; Member since: Sep 16, 2016

Lightning followed by USB-C is a better alternative.

191. swh0812

Posts: 14; Member since: Sep 10, 2016

That remains to be seen and if Apple keeps getting pushback over this rest assured other companies will not follow Apple's money grab, eh, I mean stupidity.

54. tywinlannister

Posts: 27; Member since: Aug 24, 2015

If they really want to stay with new technology, why dont they use type c port?

82. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Because its a standard and Apple can't make money off standards.

56. KickRocks

Posts: 270; Member since: Mar 22, 2011

The problem I have with this and Apple is they're literally forcing this on people. I'm an Android user and it already has started with the Moto Z. It won't be long until other OEM's realize they can get thinner phones if they remove the 3.5mm jack. Sure Moto did it first but Apple mainstreamed it. Thanks Apple, FU Apple.

58. Ninetysix

Posts: 2962; Member since: Oct 08, 2012

Money move by Moto...Solely.

71. maherk

Posts: 6770; Member since: Feb 10, 2012

Except that android OEMs aren't interested in having the thinnest smartphone anymore, atleast the major OEMs. Look at Samsung for example, they made the S7 thicker because they listened to the battery life complaints that came out after the S6 release. Or how about the G5, HTC 10, Xperia XZ, Axon 7, and the rest of 2016 flagships? They are all on the chubby part of the spectrum, and this is good news for us android fans, who cherish battery life over how slim my smartphone is.

192. swh0812

Posts: 14; Member since: Sep 10, 2016

Actually Samsung is now thinner than Apple and has much less bezel. Samsung is smaller overall but thanks to the thin bezel has more screen and is lighter than Apple. Amazing when you consider Apple doesn't give a darn about the latest technology and focuses only on looks and having the thinnest phone, as if that was important when considering quality

57. Awalker

Posts: 1973; Member since: Aug 15, 2013

Those are stupid excuses to me. They could have made the phone thicker which would have gotten rid of the unsightly pimple on back and facilitated a larger battery and a headphone jack.

59. NarutoKage14

Posts: 1318; Member since: Aug 31, 2016

"It was fighting for space with camera technologies and processors and battery life. And frankly, when there’s a better, modern solution available, it’s crazy to keep it around." Sometimes I'm baffled by the stupidity of such highly educated and smart engineers. People have been saying phones are already thin enough(which is why they slap thick ass cases on them) . The battery is the easiest one to improve upon by making the phone 2-3 millimeters thicker. The others would probably be solved as well by making it thicker.
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