Here is why Apple removed the 3.5mm headset jack from the new iPhone 7

"It was fighting for space with camera technologies and processors and battery life. And frankly, when there’s a better, modern solution available, it’s crazy to keep it around"...
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158. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2340; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

I'm not looking for a concert in my ears when I'm on the go, so yes to me it is a small price to pay. You are allowed to disagree, but my opinion still stands. And for the most part, people are using cheap wired headphones with their devices that they won't notice the difference.

31. LebronJamesFanboy

Posts: 671; Member since: Mar 23, 2013

Let me preface this by saying I will be buying an iPhone 7 but am appalled by the fact they removed the 3.5mm headphone jack. Tedkord, for once I completely agree with you. Problems with bluetooth headphones: 1. They simply do not sound better nor match wired headphones 2. While you're free from wires, you are inconvenienced by the fact you must charge your headphones This is 100% a money move. They are selling $160 AirPods and get rid of the headphone jack. If they didn't remove the jack, I guarantee you the AirPod sales wouldn't be nearly as impressive. +1 Tedkord.

37. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

I said that too, but wired headphones have better pro vs its con. Its only con is a cord. But the pros are better audio quality as you basically admitted. But also the cords weights down those cheap plastic light buds which falls out even when doing something as simple as chewing. Apple headphones have a cash value of maybe $3 because they use very cheap drivers. I would take nearly any wired or wireless headphones over them and that includes Smasung's cheap one too. Wireless headphones have their own pros and cons. Audio quality is gonna depend on brand. I have a set of Beats, Bose and the latest iCon X and they all sound great. But they all also cost me $200. I don't even mind if there was a push to get people to buy wireless options. The issue is, they have been around long enough to be cheaper and they aren't. That;'s the biggest con. The next con is another device we have to charge. That means another power adapter sucking up power at my home. It means I have to buy a larger power strip. We already have to charge the phone, now we have to charge the watch and now we have to charge the headphones too. Here is what I "think" would have been a better solution. A single pair of wired wireless headphones. Lets take Apple's new headphones. They looked like all they did was cut the cord. They didnt even change them at all. How about you make the cord a plug. When you exercising and moving around, you unplug and the headphone switch to BT for wireless. When they are running low, you simply plug them into the charging port and they charge off your phones battery and you still keep listening. That would have been a nice welcome change and innovative. But dropping one connection, to use a overprice $1.00 adapter they will sell you when you lose it for $10.00 is just plain and simply bullshyte. Just because some tech may be old, that doesn't mean it should be changed if there isn't a better solution. This is one of those cases. I am against this move only until they work a better solution to replace it. Wireless isn't the right replacement. Apple went from one wired connection to another one that offers the exact same usage. So thus its no benefit and you may as well kept the old way.

46. Mxyzptlk unregistered

Dude seriously, enough with the essays. Just get to the point already have

64. trojan_horse

Posts: 5868; Member since: May 06, 2016

You're not obliged to read the whole of his "essays". You throw a hissy fit because it's about your beloved company, right... Butthurt much?

84. Mxyzptlk unregistered

I'm not the only one who has called him out on his ridiculous essay responses, so get over it.

169. miketer

Posts: 513; Member since: Apr 02, 2015

You're on the money

91. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

question of point of view. I personally want quality over this convenience you speak of.

29. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

No one is saying they shouldn't move forward. But do you think removing the headphone jack and plugging your headphones into the charging port is a better solution? Because if you actually think its a move forward, then you are as backwards as Apple is. I am all for the jack being remove, if replaced with a better innovative solution. Audio only neds 2 paths for the audio to travel. Taking the lightning port and takign away one of the pairs for audio t me is dumb because it brings no extra benefit. It is basically the same solution with a different plug. That isn't moving forward. This is one of those things that, just because they can change it; doesn't mean they should have. I don't care who did it first second or ever. It should have only been removed if a better solution was acquired. It wasn't and lower sales could make Apple bring it back next year and make them and the other OEM who did it, look stupid.

42. Settings

Posts: 2943; Member since: Jul 02, 2014

Oh hi. Where were you when the Note 7's exploded? We missed you. Anyway, it happened in the past. The Sony Ericsson line, has their proprietary Fast Port connectors, offered a solution to put a 3.5mm port like the ones I have when I had, coz SE back then and even most phones didn't have aux jack support. The designs didnt work and latter phones were having aux jack.

98. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Where was I? I made plenty of posts. I just wasn't going to get caught up in some BS fights about 24 of 1M phones blowing up. Luckily no one was injured, unlike with some phones that have blown up. Samsung stepped up and even the phones not actually affected are being replaced. So there is nothing to argue or debate. Whether Samsung rushed like some said is BS. If that was the issue, all the phones would be exploding. It was one battery from one supplier...THERE OWN. Whats to talk about? I bought 5 Note 7's. I returned 2 VZW ones before this issue popped up. I returned them because of the removal of Samsung Cloud, needing to install Samsung Pay and because I didn't like the inconsistent UI. Another reason I return the VZW models is T-mobile said after a year I wouldn't need to make a down payment on devices. Yet when I went to buy the Note 7, I was being asked for $69 each, while on my VZW account I have never been asked for such. EVER! I wanted to pre-order and T-mobile needed to deal with the issue. They couldn't fix it, so I moved my 2 numbers back to VZW which is where they came from anyways. After I did, a T-Mobile rep called me 2 days later and said they had fixed the issue and I could place an order with no cost. I also purchased the International Exynos model through Rodgers for $1066 unlocked. I haven't had an issue. I got it in black and I love it. It hasnt even gotten hot and I'm not even worried because I use only Samsung chargers with the phone. Right now I've used my Note 5 charger and cable, not the one with the phone but with the adapter with no issue. I didnt need to get caught up in the trolling comments on Samsung's issued. They handled it the way I would expect. They did so with class and dignity even with the criticism and for that they will gain millions of new customer and will lose a few thousand too. They don't blame me, they took full responsibility and they were willing to take the lost in sales to insure once new ones were available, those who want to exchange will get priority first. I'm replacing my 2 T-Mobile units mostly because I cracked the glass on one of them and the recall will allow me to replace it for free. Other than that, I would keep them.

36. bobby84

Posts: 595; Member since: May 13, 2016

Yes I know that. That's how Apple works. There business model is to give you only ONE option, their option, that's why they make so much money. You think iPhone will sell nearly as many iPhone is Sony or Samsung made iOS devices? Think about it SD cards, bigger screen, more cloud storage etc. This is why Apple doesn't come with a SD card, why go and buy a 64GB SD card for $30 when you can pay Apple $100 for an extra 48GB. Why give the option to download non app store apps if Apple can't get there cut?

39. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

My God......let me explain this to the massively misinformed individuals here.......THIS ISN'T A MONEY MOVE! Apple makes 60% of their revenue from iPhone sales, and 1% from the accessories they sell. Do you know what that means? Apple is operating at a loss with this move. There's no way they can make up the revenue lost from sales reduction through accessory sales........ PERIOD!!!!!!!! So instead of just assuming "OMG, Apple is after more of muhhh money!" how about you search for the ACTUAL reason for the decision?

66. Heisenberg

Posts: 373; Member since: Feb 11, 2015

One word for you. Just one word iSheep

67. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

Considering you used 8 words...... I'm not impressed......

117. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015


122. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

That's more like it!!!!!!!!!

205. criss

Posts: 8; Member since: Sep 16, 2016


73. semipro1337

Posts: 111; Member since: Oct 01, 2012

My God! Your full of it. Before iPhone 7 - lets go off your estimates, cause you dont work for Apple, you dont see the bottom lines, but lets roll with it. 60% of revenue from iPhone hardware sales. Then take into account that all of their supplemental hardware are of their OWN proprietary design, meaning for EVERY SINGLE PIECE sold by non-apple manufacturers they got $ because those companies had to get a license to make the devices, now before iPhone 7 this was mainly just Lightening cables and/or chargers, or their ridiculous 1 inch wide cable from pre iPhone5. Then Apple brags about 1 billion of these things are out there, how many of these 1 billion had to have at least 1 extra cable bought? Now, iPhone7 is taking this one step further, they could have gone with industry standard and used USB-C but that would mean they COULDNT get money for every replacement cord, adapter, etc sold. Dont sit there and tell any of us they didnt do this for the money. Apple probably means "doin it for tha dollarz brah!" in some foreign language.

75. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

Can't tell if serious.......or mentally impaired........

113. semipro1337

Posts: 111; Member since: Oct 01, 2012

Pretty serious. Your the only one on here so far that's not seeing it for how it is, one more way to get the money from your hands. Whats it like under Tims desk anyway?

76. Macready

Posts: 1816; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

Even if your numbers are true, it means nothing for new strategies. In fact, we know revenues from iPhones have been shrinking, so expanding elsewhere would actually make sense. Not to mention the fact that every part removed is good for margins too...

87. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

Not if they have to place new parts in the a haptic feedback part for the new home button. Or a larger battery cell......etc. The point is, regardless of the general notion of this being a money move (at least at the moment), it's not.

88. Macready

Posts: 1816; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

All explained here : Buying Beats wasn't an afterthought, getting licence fees from every third party maker isn't either.

94. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

kiko007 you are blind. This move is to compensate lower sell of iPhone with more sales of accessories. they cant make up the full amounts sure but they will use any possible way to get some of thats lost back. If its cost them 5$ to make thats 160$ wireless earbud thats 155$ profit.

100. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Yep $155 X's estimated 60M possible sales over a year.

99. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

They don't lose any money because they sell the phone at 4+ times its cost to make. They don't sell accessories at a lose because for other companies to make accessories, they have to license it from Apple. Apple makes the money solely from licensing. They don't lose anything from accessory sales. You just think they do.

134. Dingy_cellar_dweller

Posts: 339; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

At a loss, what a joke apple wouldn't even give away free stuff if it could work out a way to do it.

43. trojan_horse

Posts: 5868; Member since: May 06, 2016

It's the same reason why Apple does not use standard solutions. The proprietary port in iPhone7 will require 3rd party manufacturers of headphones and adapters to obtain a licence from Apple, which means money!

69. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

I know you know, but the fans are blind to such. Every move Apple does is only for money. It has never been, nor will it ever be in the best interest of the customer. EVER! When Apple patented taking the headphone jack and simply cutting the plug in 1/2 that I thought was a good idea. But if space was really and issue, there is a such thing as a mini-headphone jack. All the cord does for a speaker is provide the power to drive them and as a bonus it provide a consistent connection for the audio to travel. So thus no wired connection is any worse or better than another for just audio only. I agree with you 100%. When it comes to storage, I honestly would prefer not to have sdcards, provided that you give enough internal storage. The benefit of the sdcard is I can pull it out and shove it into my PC and use it, which fees up my phone to be used for something else. But i dont have to have it, as long as my phone provides a similar function when I plug it in. The iPhone doesn't and thus Apple uses it as a way to get money. All the OEm do this, but Apple is worse at it. While many OEM's went mainstream with 32GB years ago, look how long it took Apple. They made money for 3 more years after everyone else moved on. For what these phones cost and what storage cost them which is less than $10.00 for 256GB. Every phone should be 256GB period. At that link, it shows what OEM's can pay for flash storage on the open market as of today. If you give people what they want, they will buy it. Apple move is, milk them for what we can get and give them what they want, when "we" want them to have it.
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