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HTC shares slide after Apple patent ruling

0. phoneArena posted on 18 Jul 2011, 02:59

HTC shares fell nearly 6.5% after Apple won a patent infringement case as a preliminary ruling showed that HTC had violated two Apple patents in its Android phones…

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posted on 18 Jul 2011, 13:34 3

54. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

so if antennagate was such a problem why are people buying iphones by the millions?

as far as Apple protecting their product names I don't see why you think that's a problem.

You're a sheep and a fanboy and don't have the ability to have a rational discussion becasue you'll do anything you can to twist facts to "prove" Apple is bad.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 13:36 3

55. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Oh you're last comment about comission. So the carrier pays commission for every other phone except the iPhone and Apple, because they're evil, specifically asked for salespeople to get payed no comission on data?

How do you know this? Were you a part of the negoations with Apple?

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 14:05 1

60. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Apple, because they're bastards with the intent to gain maximum profit at all costs, pays salespeople a pittance. It's a flat fee of about 30 bucks per iPhone. The salesman sees 14 percent of that. This is compared to 100 dollars or more profit for the retailer for other phones, even feature phones. And I know this because it was all explicitly explained to me by the retailer's owner.

Why is it so hard for you to accept that I might actually KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT?

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 14:40 1

65. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

because you don't. And guess what even if it's true that retailer doesn't have to sell the iPhone right?

Also there's no way retailers are getting $100 dollars for a phone upgrade. Maybe for a new activation or an additional line of service.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 23:01

79. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Actually, the retailers still have to be able to provide the phone if the customer wants it. They just don't have to display it. And my retailer, by far the largest and most successful one in the region, chose not to.

And oh yes, sometimes phones like the Captivate can be high profit like that. Sure, you get more money on a new activation. But even on an upgrade you can get much more than what selling an iPhone would net you.

Why do you insist that the GUY WHO WORKED FOR THE COMPANY AND SAW THE NUMBERS BECAUSE AS A SALESMAN I PAID ATTENTION TO MY EARNINGS DAY TO DAY would be lying or not privy to the truth of the matter?

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 18:05

71. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)

Wow, you know what you're talking about? Aren't you the same chap who confused RAM with hard drive space?

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 23:04

80. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

No, you f**king idiot. I referred to flash memory, which is NOT RAM, as a hard drive. And even then I knew the difference between the two. Hard drive is just an easier term for the general non technical audience to understand in regards to integrated memory storage on a computer, whether it's handheld or desktop.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 11:04 2

30. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)

Do you even know what the core functionality of Android that copy iOS? Have you even read the patent that they happen to infringe on? It is two out of the 10 they sue for and those two are broad. I can say the same thing iOS because they copy Nokia and S3. And guess who own S3 now?

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 12:54 4

41. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)

Sounds like someone is being bitter because Apple is protecting their intellectual rights, which they have a right to do. It's called business - people make products, companies get sued. get over it.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 09:13 7

8. Battleraiser (unregistered)

Way I see it them IBM should throw some sort of patent infrigement against apple for using a processor in their computers like they did so long ago, or Microsoft should throw out some patent infrigement on apple for using a operating system that allows you to point and click on an icon to pull up a seperate window like structure. The point of throwing stones at apple is, they're totally scared. It's Apple's own fault that people enjoy the experience on the Android system more. Apple chose to make the most closed system they could and keep it tight under their wing, where Android is an open system meant for people to explore, and modify. I'm sorry Apple, but people like to tinker with things. So, in retaliation Apple can only fight it in court, and can not compete in the market. Thats like knowing you can't win a fight in life, so you choose to kick em in the groin. It's just a low blow cheap shot.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 09:30 5

10. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Did you know Apple came up with the window interface and Microsoft stole it from them? God you fanboys are idiots.

So according to you fanboys Apple should just let people steal their ideas and not do anything about it except come up with new ideas which would then be stolen again.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 09:53 4

12. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)

Dude.... I'm completely with you taco50,

I hate these idiots who dot care about facts and legalities. They only care about bashing.

You hear it hear first.... I am going to coin the term "Tech-discrimination" and just for the record there are a lot of ifans that do the same thing!

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 10:11 5

16. Battleraiser (unregistered)

ACTUALLY, The GUI was first developed at Xerox PARC by Alan Kay, Larry Tesler, Dan Ingalls and a number of other researchers. It used windows, icons, and menus to support commands such as opening files, deleting files, moving files, etc. In 1981 Xerox introduced a pioneering product, Star, incorporating many of PARC's innovations. Although not commercially successful, Star greatly influenced future developments, for example at Apple, Microsoft and Sun Microsystems.

I love people that think they can one up a real researcher.. I used what I said earlier as an example.. not as a stapled fact.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 10:48 3

23. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

So why did you say Apple stole windows from Microsoft and it was obviously Apple that used the interface first and made it commercially popular?

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 10:15 5

18. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Ohhai, Taco. Does the inability to read a pie chart count as being an idiot? Yeah, nice try running away after being proven wrong twice on the Media Mix comment thread.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 09:18 4

9. ThE_SoSSi (unregistered)

well is thats the case about "apparently copying"... then what about apple's new i0s5..... im pretty sure there little notification bar system is a complete rip off of android. im still waiting for google as a whole to step up and not let apple try and run them out of the smartphone industry... i used to be a former iphone user..1-4 and i am saying android is a hell of alot better....if apple is going to have a lawsuit for this then people need to do the same thing right back to them because they are doing the same thing

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 09:50 4

11. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)

Ummm... I'm sure if Android has a case against Apple they would have files a lawsuit a long time ago. The idea of notifications isn’t Androids intellectual property... It’s how the notifications are worked into the software. I'm sure Apple has a completely different software solution for their notification systems... Thus, making it not an infringement on Androids system.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 22:04

78. ThE_SoSSi (unregistered)

how is that possible... how can u say it doesnt copy what androids looks like, but apple can turn around and try to sue people for their app icons and devices apparently looking like theirs, but pulling a totally obvious looking thing into their system isnt copying.... probably the most retarded thing to say... you obv have not looked at the videos of ios5!!!!

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 09:53 2

13. applesucks (unregistered)

Also what about the WiFi sync in ops 5 that was an app in the cydia app store if Apple sees something they want they take it now and ask later they do the same as every one else

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 10:50 2

24. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

So Apple isn't allowed to add anything to it's OS that was an app at some point? Wifi sync isn't a new invention, neither is a messaging service so Apple isn't infringing on anything by adding it. When there's functions that aren't available in the OS then apps will come out to fill the gap. Doesn't mean Apple can't add it to the OS at some point.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 09:59 1

14. unregistered user (unregistered)

Actually, Xerox created GUI. The only thing mystical that Apple managed to do was format it into a usable interface for PC's.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 10:25 6

19. rizzen (unregistered)

Apple is scared of Android!

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 10:26 7

20. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

I have a patent on breathing, so I will be suing APPLE in the near future.....

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 14:03 1

59. iwebdroidberry7 (Posts: 230; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

How can Apple be breathing. It's a company not a person dumb ass.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 10:53 4

25. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

I just want to point out that I'm noticing a trend on PA where fandroids are getting called out on their BS a lot more. I guess people are tired of their nonsense.

Every single Apple article is swarmed by these trolls constantly bashing and trying to prove to themselves android is better. And each year Apple marches on and crushes fandroid dreams and hopes.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 11:04 3

29. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

How narcissistic of you to thumb up your own comments, Taco.

Anyway, I wouldn't say arguments like these are examples of Android users being called out on their bulls**t. It's more an example of thugs like you saying something false or misinformed, getting corrected, then calling us jealous and leaving the thread.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 12:09 3

36. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

thugs like me who read and comment on Apple articles because I use Apple products? If you hate Apple so much why do you follow around Apple like a lost puppy.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 12:56 2

43. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

What's with the lost puppy thing?

And I've already told you why I follow articles on Apple, but I'll post my reason again:


I don't care if you comment anywhere. Just please try to actually be RIGHT. And stop being such an asshole to everyone.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 11:14 6

32. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)

Taco you are the biggest troll here. You keep saying that android copy iOS but when anyone else say bad about iOS you say they don't copy and blah blah. Guess what? Nokia won sues against apple for patent infringement. So can I say iOS copy Sybiam? According to your logic I can. And here is the kicker, Wait for it....... Apple have been found to infringe on S3 and HTC own S3 now so I guess they can ask for ITC to ban Apple because they were found to infringe on 2 of S3 patent. So they copy HTC now.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 12:07 3

35. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

And when have you seen me bash Nokia for suing Apple? If Apple is infringing on something then let them pay for it.

The difference is that fandroids bash other people for the products they want to use. You don't see android articles filled with Apple fanboys claiming how much better iOS is, but every Apple article is filled with jealous trolls like sniggly

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