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Google filed for patent on Notification Bar in 2009, patent still pending

0. phoneArena posted on 17 Feb 2012, 02:58

There are many Android fans out there wondering why Google hasn't taken Apple to court for the addition of a slide down notification bar on iOS 5.0; after all, Android smartphones have had such a feature since the very first model was launched...

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posted on 17 Feb 2012, 05:41 3

12. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

Well the notification bar is a proven way to perform non intrusive notifications.

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 05:40 4

11. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

It all depends on what the USPTO allows in the way of claims. If allowed claims cover Apple's notification function, Apple is going to have to prove the Google patent is invalid. If Apple is not able to invalidate Google's claims, they basically have two choices - 1.) write a big check to Google, or 2.) strip out the notifications function of iOS. There is possibly a third option - cut a deal to stop the patent wars.

Stay tuned.

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 05:44 3

13. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

I don't see a chance of it getting invalid if it gets approved Google had that implementation going on with Android since for ever . Sad everything had to go down to this.

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 05:46

14. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

When I said they should patent it I was joking :s

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 05:56 5

15. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

@protozeloz - maybe Google's patent on notification function is the magic bullet that ends the patent wars? Then Apple and Google have to compete on features.... And the consumer wins. What a novel concept.

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 06:29 1

19. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

If it ends with an agreement from both parts and the end of a war then i guess is ok

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 09:54 2

33. bayusuputra (Posts: 963; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)

yeah, just stop all this crap and make better phones already..

remember, make love, not war, make phones not missiles..

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 06:16 4

16. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

I hope Google sues the pants of Apple for this.

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 11:36 3

40. ZayZay (Posts: 571; Member since: 26 Feb 2011)

You don't have to sue apple to get the pants off of them, just ask Apple customers, they bend over and take it with out an issue.

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 06:21 3

17. Jericho (unregistered)

I don't want noone to sue anyone.

Its better for the customer.

But then again apple started it.

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 09:22

27. toystore (Posts: 17; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)

Apple sued a X company for violating their peeee pattern, they peee like apple employee, now x company got to pay a revenue or take back their peeeee… , guys be careful if you in public washr**m make sure no apple employee watching you.

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 09:35 2

29. TimTebow (Posts: 70; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)

obviously the courts are paid off.


posted on 17 Feb 2012, 11:11 2

38. joseg81 (Posts: 199; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)

funny thing is apple has no limits on their stupidity. they're gonna fight tooth n nail on this.

then they'll take on the bible and say they were here first and they created the world.

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 11:48

41. venky (Posts: 1; Member since: 17 Feb 2012)

2012 : the year of patent wars

posted on 18 Feb 2012, 02:03

57. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

How about 2011 - 2021, the decade of patent wars? Although I suspect that in a few years (possibly sooner if Google's patent is allowed substantially as filed) there will be a series of patents allowed that define the parameters of a settlement and it will be time to move on and compete on features.

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 11:49 5

42. nickjjay (Posts: 79; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)

This is why I passionately can't stand Apple. They set up rules for everyone else to follw and then they make a totally different set of rules for themselves. The consumer needs to steps up and say "no thank you" to Apple products. Nothing talks in business like money.

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 11:50 3

43. nickjjay (Posts: 79; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)

And go Google.

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 12:04 5

44. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

guys chill.

Google is not Apple. If and when they get this patent, they wont shut down apple over it (though they most definately could). Google makes money off of apple already through adds. They make money off of everyone. Google doesnt really care if apple makes a mint or not as long as google is sitll the primary search engine.

At the absolute worst, google will use this to get apple to back off and come to some sort of sharing arrangement so the mass litigation against android manufacturers stops. Otherwise, they might take a page from MS and make apple pay them per device. They wont however try to ban Apple.

Then again, they could continue to give their patents to their partners and watch htc/samsung/moto try to shut down apple by proxy.

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 14:39

47. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

Google is not Apple. But Google will not stand idly by and let Apple abuse their manufacturing partners. If the notifications patent is allowed and the claims become problematic for Apple, Google will certainly use the patent to compel Apple to stand down their patent wars.

Something tells me that Apple has seen the notification patent coming and has pursued the patent wars to gain leverage in a future settlement negotiation. The timeline is about right. If the patent was filed in 2009, it was probably published in 2010, which was when Apple went into litigation in a big way.

In any event, it ain't over until it is over. But on the face of it, Apple has got some big problems in Google's notification patent.

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 13:56

46. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

Wow the article says... Google.. and it seems is more about Apple.... read some comments ... when Apple files for dumb patents.. everyone gets up in arms.. but now we have Google... but is ok right?... 2 wrongs doesnt make it right

posted on 18 Feb 2012, 01:23

52. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

What makes this a dumb patent? This isn't a patent on unlocking a phone, which is something that every phone needs! It isn't simply a gesture... Its a truly unique feature no other phone had until Android.

posted on 18 Feb 2012, 01:52 1

54. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

I suspect in gallito's mind, it is dumb because it could give Apple a real bad case of heartburn. Can you imagine iOS without the notification function? Or, the notification function without messaging?

posted on 18 Feb 2012, 07:31

58. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

Why you guys even bother? I saw his post...... not worth a dime is just that it's hard for him to admit that apple copies everyone around them and gets away with it while others are forbidden to do the same. Even with snow leopard adding ios features in order to unify the experience is copying from windows 8 being a similar experience for phones tablets and computers

posted on 18 Feb 2012, 08:51

59. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

he just says dumb things to get a rise out of people. he is a feathered version of Miz with a bad william shatner impression going on.

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 15:08

48. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)

You guys need to learn a lot about patent law. In order for a company to be found infringing, they have to infringe ALL aspects of the patent. The way this patent is written, Apple's implementation does not violate it. The key difference is that Apple's notification system does not display information in the bar at the top. It only displays it when the 'panel' is exposed.

That's a key difference that will make it very difficult for Google to do anything about it.

And that's ignoring the fact that there's prior art for this type of notification system...

posted on 17 Feb 2012, 15:49 2

49. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

Where in the first claim for the Google patent does the claim language not cover Apple's notification function? The Apple notification panel displays the notification in the perimeter of the graphical interface (first element of claim 1). The Apple notification responds to the user performing a selection function (swipe of the alert) (second element of claim 1). And the Apple notification function responds to the user's swipe by displaying details about the notifications (third element of claim 1). If the glove fits, you have to convict.

If the Google patent is allowed as filed, Apple will have a serious problem with it.

Lastly, you claim the presence of prior art. Link?

posted on 18 Feb 2012, 00:27

50. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)

It doesn't just talk about displaying the notification at the perimeter, it specifically mentions displaying it in a status bar, which iOS does not do. iOS has a pop-over notification that covers the status bar, which is the key difference. Further, Apple allows the user to directly tap the notification as soon as it arrives, or allows them to swipe down to show the collected notifications. Finally, Google's patent also only covers MESSAGING notifications, as they are specifically identified in the patent. The fact that iOS' bar (and Android's now as well) show more than that is another key difference.

The thing with software patents, which no one has mentioned, is that the software being accused of infringing must infringe ALL Aspects of the patent. Because of a few key differences, Google would find it very difficult to get a court or judge to agree that Apple's system is infringing.

Also, reading the patent in question, it is very likely that Google will never see it awarded because it is overly broad and includes some fairly obvious information.

posted on 18 Feb 2012, 00:58

51. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

Droid800, you are mixing copyright and patent law. For example, element 1 of Claim 1 states: "displaying in a status area near a perimeter of a graphical interface for a mobile device, a notification of a recent alert event..." Status area is not a status bar. Tapping or swiping will meet the test for "receiving a selection in the status area by a user of the mobile device,". Where is the limitation to messaging notifications? The third element of Claim 1 states: "...wherein at least some of the plurality of the alert events correspond to messages received by the mobile device..."

Apple could make the notification function non-infringing by removing the messaging component of notifications, but they would be the laughing stock of the industry. Messaging is a key component to the notification function - if I am on PA responding to your post, and a beep occurs telling me I have a new e-mail, I am back to iOS v. 4. The compelling value proposition to notifications (whether Apple's or Android's) is the ability to see a summary of the e-mail that I just received without having to exit the application that I am presently working in.

Whether Apple is infringing the Google patent as filed is a matter for a court to decide. You have not provided support for your assertions that Google would not be able to convince a jury that Apple's notification function infringes the application as filed.

How is the claim language overly broad? I have given examples using the claim language to show how it covers the Apple notification function. You need to provide an example to support your claim the patent is overly broad.

posted on 18 Feb 2012, 01:50

53. garz_pa (Posts: 154; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)

Apple and Nokia's gonna be on trouble.

posted on 18 Feb 2012, 01:54

56. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

Maybe MS too. Although I don't know how WP handles notifications.

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