Google fails to settle with Oracle over Android, getting grilled on the Hill for antitrust issues today

Google and Oracle's CEOs are continuing the talks today, after failing to settle over the use of copied Java code in Android; Chairman Eric Schmidt will be answering antitrust questions today on the Hill...
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3. darth8ball

Posts: 520; Member since: Aug 02, 2011

So self promotion is bad?

4. Droid_X_Doug

Posts: 5993; Member since: Dec 22, 2010

Sounds like Google saw what happened recently in the Oracle v. SAP case and figured what is good for the Goose (reduction in the damages to approx. $300 million) is good for the Gander.

6. PeterIfromsweden

Posts: 1230; Member since: Aug 03, 2011

If it is true that Google has directly copied java code, then Android must either be banned, or Google will need to pay royalties. This is probably also another reason Samsung will be pushing bada instead of Android, they know that Android has some problems.

7. Drunk!!!!! unregistered

Peter dragged bada into another unrelated article, everyone take a drink!

11. protozeloz

Posts: 5396; Member since: Sep 16, 2010

Google took java code when it belonged to Sun, back then it was open source...... then Oracle came bought it and changed everything, Even the SUN CEO approved this back in 2009.....

17. PeterIfromsweden

Posts: 1230; Member since: Aug 03, 2011

But now Oracle appears to own that code, and they don't want others to use it. How does this work legally ?

19. protozeloz

Posts: 5396; Member since: Sep 16, 2010

I wish I had a clue... To me it seems to be more like trolling than anything else, oracle even deleted the blog comments that where pro open source that alone says a lot. Same deal with the other "victims " their hypocrisy is quite big

26. taco50

Posts: 5506; Member since: Oct 08, 2009

Google initially denied copying the code and looks like now admit it.

24. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

no, they want google to use it, and they want a HUGE payday in the billions of dollars. they are arguing over a settlement price.

33. Droid_X_Doug

Posts: 5993; Member since: Dec 22, 2010

At this point, Google and Oracle are too far apart on a settlement price. Now they get to go and dance in front of a jury. Larry liked his last performance in front of a jury in the SAP lawsuit, so he has every motivation to go forward. And Google believes the litigation is really only a $100 million exposure, so there is not motivation to settle on either side. Meanwhile, the attorneys are billing at $750+/hour. Unfortunately for either side, the legal expense isn't even rounding error on their respective financials. Which is why the lawsuit is going to continue until there is a real prospect of a financial hit that is significant to the financials.

23. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

giving yourself thumbs up is cheating, peter.

8. PhoneLuver

Posts: 481; Member since: Jul 05, 2010

As far as I understand it, the code originally belonged to Sun Microsystems. Sun made it available as open source. Oracle bought Sun and is suing Google. Google claims Oracle has no case because it's not charging for Android and is not breaching the open source aspect of the code.

9. Xander4 unregistered

When android was first released wasn't java still open source as well?

12. protozeloz

Posts: 5396; Member since: Sep 16, 2010

The Sun CEO even talked on its blog saying Google did well.... but now oracle says otherwise.....

10. Tmachaveli

Posts: 425; Member since: Apr 01, 2011

peter are you high?? what the hell do bada have to do with this story??

13. hunted unregistered

I think he is getting paid for talking about bada. You're right Tmachaveli

18. PeterIfromsweden

Posts: 1230; Member since: Aug 03, 2011

It has to with bada since Samsung will stop using android and start pushing bada, and one of the reasons for that might be that android has copied code from java.

20. hunted unregistered

Hey peter i heard bada is derived from linux which is same as android. You said google after acquiring moto will stop android as open os and who can give guarantee that samsung will not stop bada as open os after everyone start using it?

15. taz89

Posts: 2014; Member since: May 03, 2011

Lol Peter the bada patriot

21. THE_GAME

Posts: 7; Member since: Sep 21, 2011

may be Peter will get a life when samsung renounces the s**tty bada...... may be apple may completely make samsung and castrate its Touchwiz laying eggs......thats amusing...lol

25. taco50

Posts: 5506; Member since: Oct 08, 2009

Ok fandroids where is the outrage that google literally copied code line for line and are refusing to settle? Or the outrage hat they're trying to stifle their competition?

27. PeterIfromsweden

Posts: 1230; Member since: Aug 03, 2011

Taco, many Android fanatics (not everyone though) is just like you Taco. They are sheep. That's why theres no outrage of Google copying the java code.

29. Sniggly

Posts: 7305; Member since: Dec 05, 2009

Refusing to settle? They're TRYING to settle. When did you ever see Apple try to sit down with Motorola to discuss payment of royalties prior to a lawsuit? Furthermore, Google used the Java code with Sun's blessing prior to Sun being bought out. Oracle subsequently deleted the Sun blog entry where the CEO praised Android for using Java and then sued Google for patent violations.

49. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

like always, taco, you dont actually read the story do you. i know sniggs just summed it up, but imma do it again.. hopefully you read one of our responces. 1) when google used the code, SUN Microsystems owned it.. and allowed it to be open sourced. They gave google their blessing on using the code. There is written documentation of this. 2) Oracle BOUGHT the patents from SUN and then started demanding payments from Google since they now owned the writes to the code. Since Android cant exactly be rewritten at this point without making nearly every app incompatable, they have google by the short hairs. Basically its EXTORTION. Google WANTS to pay 100 MILLION to make Sun go away, but Sun wants nearly a BILLION instead. When was the last time you saw Apple volunteer to pay someone when they were originally allowed to use it for free?

38. rperki8

Posts: 3; Member since: Sep 21, 2011

It's not preferential, it's integration influencing results. Consider this situation. You go onto Google and search for "maps" the search returns, in order: Google Maps, MapQuest, Yahoo Maps, Bing Maps based on their search algorithm. Fair enough, but why is Google on top? Well, say you search for a specific address. This time you get a Google Map of that address followed by a bunch of random crap. It can't find results from MapQuest or Yahoo or Bing because it can't search their databases. The integration makes it easier for the consumer to use Google's service therefore boosting it's rating. So all the searches for specific addresses bring up Google Maps which in turn boosts Google Maps' place when they search for "maps". What is Google supposed to so? Make everyone search "maps" and then choose the search engine they'd like to use? Or perhaps MapQuest/Yahoo/Bing want to give Google access to their databases so their results will come up for specific addressed. Google's not being anti-competitive/preferential, they're making it easier consumers to find what they want. Isn't that exactly what they're supposed to be doing?
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