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Existing devices won’t get Windows Phone 8

0. phoneArena posted on 20 Jun 2012, 13:21

Windows Phone 7.8 has arrived and it’s the final stop for your current Windows Phone. Microsoft can’t deliver the full Windows Phone 8 experience…

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posted on 20 Jun 2012, 13:32 17

1. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Slow updates are better than no updates. After all of Microsoft's bulls**t ripping on Android, they've just shown themselves to not really be that much better.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 13:45 18

4. ilia1986 (unregistered)

I understand your anger towards M$, Sniggs, but you gotta admit: better the devil you know.

MS Didn't try to ban Android phones\tablets. Their OS isn't nearly as closed as that which belongs to some too well known fruit company. Their philosophy revolves around giving the end user choice, and not restricting the use of their OS on anything which isn't made only by them.

Most importantly: they don't actively threaten to turn the personal computer into a toaster with an ecosystem more closed and sealed shut than Obama's nuclear bunker under the white house.

So yeah - I kinda like Microsoft. You can say that that's only because I hate Apple so much - but still - better have a fat not-very-smart bully as your nemesis than a maniacal self-obsessed narcissistic control freak with access to 500 nuclear missiles and a private army of brainwashed soldiers.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 16:46 3

21. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

Okay, I laughed a lot during that post.

Just couldn't quite figure out who else you were talking about.


posted on 21 Jun 2012, 05:06 1

33. Cyan3boN (Posts: 446; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)

i wanna give u double like..

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 16:44

20. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

I agree, Sniggs. I expect this list to grow to pretty much all 2nd Gen devices, bar none, or MS will get the criticism it so rightfully deserves. I am glad my Focus S is on the short list, but my Wife's Titan was released after the "S", so it better get it. The Focus 2 and the Focus Flash are both close to identical to my "S" on the inside, so they better get it (not to mention the Focus 2 is about 15 minutes old). Nokia is betting it's livelihood on MS, so the 710 and 800 better get it. The Titan 2 is just released, so it better get it.

Did I miss anyone?

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 17:19

24. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


posted on 21 Jun 2012, 01:35 1

28. JSern (Posts: 282; Member since: 22 May 2011)

Wrong, their getting WP7.8 update, which is almost similar to WP8http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/visualized-nokia-lumia-900-windows-phone/
Stop being peanut butter jelly Sniggly :P

posted on 21 Jun 2012, 06:29

35. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

Know whats wild?

There are some Android phones coming out with ICS and I think some single core chip and 512 Ram. And Sense 4.0 The HTC One V

Basically...the specs show ICS can run on phones with "less" hardware.

This makes other Android manufactures also look bad, as they said based on hardware some phones wont get it. Oh well....seems like whatever mobile OS you like....there is some form of fragmentation.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 13:33

2. rsiders (Posts: 1092; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)

Since the HTC Radar and Titan came out around the same time I'm sure the Titan will get it too. This is more than fair in my opinion for the people who supported Windows Phone for a while. I'm excited about the new user experience and further customizing my device.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 13:42 3

3. OptimusOne (Posts: 694; Member since: 22 May 2012)

I knew I was right to wait for windows 8

instead of getting the lumia 900 krap now

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 13:48 5

5. Mozarrt (Posts: 301; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)

Powerhungry Android can run perfectly smooth on 1.4Ghz chip, why can't the more efficiënt Windows Phone do it as well.

I'm very disappointed with Microsoft, they have given Windows Phone users some excellent support in the past, but now when the platform is finally going to mature, they just push us to the ground and kick us in the groin with us Generation 2 smartphone owners not being able to update to Windows Phone 8. I know my Lumia 800 won't magically have dual-core or a HD screen resolution but now the moment Windows Phone 8 arrives my phone will be hopelessly outdated, which right in his mind developer is still even going to be making apps for Windows 7.8 when all the fun is happening in the new 8.XX versions.

I didn't expect my Mozart to get any new update, Windows Phone 7.8 is a very nice improvement if my old Mozart were to receive it, but my Lumia 800 which I've had for only 2 months with Nokia pushing it and its brothers endlessly in the world markets to get Windows Phone 7.8 and not 8.0 is horrendous. It has some excellent mid-range specs but now it won't even be able to get the new WP8 apps.

Perhaps my expectation were to high, thinking I would get a brand new Mercedes, but what I'm getting is just a Lada painted like a Mercedes but I still had to pay the full price.

I wonder how Blackberry is doing with BB10...

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 13:58 3

7. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

I understand your point of view, I guess its bound to happen, I think i once talked you about this same issue on android. but I knew something like this might have happened, same occurred with 6.x to 6.5 witch my phone never got or with 6.5 to 7 fragmentation will occur, that's why i don't buy phone thinking about "their future features" but rather what it can do here and now, everything else is a bonus I'll kindly accept as I never signed a contract with a company to obligate them to update my phone, again its the users responsibility to try and buy devices likely to get updates of they need them

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 14:04 1

11. Mozarrt (Posts: 301; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)

I guess I've just been to hopeful seeing all the marvelous things MS has done after the Windows Mobile and Kin disasters, I know my Lumia 800 will be a marvelous phone the next years and months, I'm just really gutted by the support we're now getting, especially after the amount of money I payed for the device.

Microsoft really needs to come fast with details about Windows Phone 7.8 with what it will and won't have, if they remain silent like they did about now then I can't really see them as a viable contender for my next phone, and this is from a guy who quite frankly hates Android.

As an early adopter with my Mozart I can live with disappointment, but I thought my Lumia would really get supported to the fullest extent.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 14:22

14. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

I personally know how it feels to be left behind with MS, as I've said this happened with other devices I've owned then I jumped into the android wagon, with the nexus lineup users get around two years worth of updates (enough to end your average contract) other device may come with heavy features but will reduce updates so you have some sort of balance in there. maybe you could check the I/O this month and see how far android has gone and play with a Galaxy S3 android is changing quite fast for the better.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 14:35

15. Mozarrt (Posts: 301; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)

I'm actually considering going down the early adopter path again and check out BB10.

My Blackberry Playbook has been a fantastic device.

posted on 21 Jun 2012, 23:26

38. joey_sfb (Posts: 6608; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)

From a company that require monthly subscription to access Youtube app in their Xbox360. I am not surprise at these announcement.

For me, i would either rather choose between an iPhone or Nexus. Nexus deliver for me.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 13:55

6. Muhannad (Posts: 455; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)

It's good to know the HTC Radar is getting WP7.8 and it's running a 1GHz processor which means the rest will definitely get updated and don't hate on MS because it's better to know your phone will be getting a small update which compared to other Android OEMs who mention nothing leaving you in doubt whether to upgrade or not. Also, people should remember that MS and WP OEMs also want to make money from new handsets.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 13:59 4

8. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 1042; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)


Sooo...let me get this right:
There are going to be multiple devices with 800x480 display res stuck permanently on WP7.5
Then theres a few that will get WP7.8
THEN theres those that will have WP8 with screen res ranging from 800x480, 1280x720 and 768x1280.

Oh dear :'D fragmentation much? Thanks for proving you're no better Microsoft.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 14:03 2

9. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

well fanboys where so into android fragmentation, but now its time for them to hit the wall of reality where all OS's show fragmentation

posted on 21 Jun 2012, 06:21

34. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


This is why it pays to not be a fanboy. iOS and WP are showing some form of fragmentation now. I assume fragmentation wont get talked about so much now....lol.

posted on 21 Jun 2012, 23:38

39. joey_sfb (Posts: 6608; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)

Apple just did in the June 2012 WDC conference. They show the Android Fragmentation Chart during their iOS 6 presentation. Its primarily Apple marketing engine at work. Apple primary business strength is marketing.

The latest edition of safari in Mountain Lion will have an integrated URL plus search. Its was revealed in their 2012 WDC, marketed like they have invented it and the crowd go crazy with excitement.

I think Apple does has good products but charge a king ransoms for it.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 14:21 1

13. Mozarrt (Posts: 301; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)

Don't forget the Tango devices!

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 14:04 1

10. Penny (Posts: 1672; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)

Sucks for the early adopters. My device (HTC Trophy) will probably not be getting even WP7.8, and I'm still almost a year away from a phone upgrade. I do understand that Windows Phone 8 is running on an entirely different kernel from Windows Phone 7,

On the bright side, I think Windows Phone 8 is making all the right moves in its feature set and encourages me to stick with the Windows Phone platform.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 16:50 1

22. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

You were the first person of thought of when I read this Penny. Was hoping you had bought the Trophy second hand, so you were able to upgrade soon. Sorry. We can still hope 1st Gen devices get something.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 22:08

25. Penny (Posts: 1672; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)

Thanks Snow. I know you are in a similar boat, but I'm sure you're not too worried. Neither am I really. Best case scenario, we get the 7.8 update and it has a satisfactory number of WP8's features; worst case scenario, we don't get any update and I'll just buy a phone off contract. The concept of buying a phone off contract doesn't bug me as much as it used to because, well, I have more cash now, and also because it seems like carriers like Verizon are trying to push up the upgrade prices for on contract devices anyway. Already paying $300 for a high-end phone on contract, might as well just pay my $600-$700 and be able to upgrade whenever I want.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 14:11 2

12. homeedition88 (Posts: 10; Member since: 16 Jun 2012)

What kind of a joke is this? Why there is only 3 models in this list. What is wrong with you m.s.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 14:46 3

16. SleepingOz (unregistered)

WP fanboys just got trolled! LOL

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 15:12

17. scrabble111 (Posts: 13; Member since: 25 Apr 2011)

welp, there goes my lumia 900, ;(. hella played us. *sob. oh well knew from the start cuz of the hardware. least were getting something lol.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 16:19

18. AhmadAlsayegh (Posts: 313; Member since: 18 Jul 2011)

No worries guys...the radar has 1 gig chip, this update will run even on my focus....remember, there is always xda-developers :D

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 16:24 1

19. Suts_97 (Posts: 124; Member since: 05 May 2012)

Although Im not an iOS fan, I have to really agree that they are the best in terms of software updates! They try as much as possible to update their older devices as well!

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