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Elop chose Windows Phone because it gave Nokia a "key point of differentiation"

0. phoneArena posted on 02 Mar 2013, 21:23

Nokia CEO Stephen Elop is always pretty good for a generic marketing quote, and he definitely gave a few of those in a recent interview with Bloomberg. But, this time Elop also gave a couple of more interesting generic quotes, one of which was to say that Nokia chose Windows Phone because it gave Nokia a "key point of differentiation"...

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posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:21 2

51. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


A perfect OS does not exist, what looks broken for one person might be good for another. Diversity is a great thing

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:45 4

29. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I've heard that same android crashes story, guess what it was proven to crash less than iOS, it was just a way for iOS fanboys to feel good but the fact is something else. Sorry unless you can prove that with facts I'm not buying it.

I've heard that "we have people that regret things" yet I've seen various iOS and windows phone users going android. It goes both ways.

Also I think people have the wrong idea I want Nokia to use both, if people want to buy a lumina like "crappy" android phone then guess what? They can... But its not happening because of them not wanting to, not some guy excuse for "a sea full of Android" Nokia is not some brand new company they can get bank by playing both games

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:03 1

43. 14545 (Posts: 1671; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


http://www.phonearena.com/news/Which-platform-crashes-more-Android-or-iOS_id26542

EXACTLY.

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 05:36 1

91. faisal8708 (Posts: 104; Member since: 15 Nov 2011)


Every OS crashes and almost with the same ratio but wht matters is how it deals with crash iOS brings u back to the app drawer and WP8 becomes jittry for a few seconds and then goes back to normal but android becomes unresponsive and thts wht frustrates most of the people

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 13:53

116. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


iOS bringing you back to the app drawer and Android being unresponsive....

Its equivalent to turning Windows Error Reporting on and off. Its not instantaneous on iOS....and the force close message eventually shows up on Android.

After you hit force close...Android is back to normal. If you chose wait...then thats different. Just like on Windows desktop OS.

posted on 04 Mar 2013, 03:26

134. faisal8708 (Posts: 104; Member since: 15 Nov 2011)


"and the force close message eventually shows up on Android"

It takes along time to come

posted on 06 Mar 2013, 19:44

138. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


You left this out:

"Its not instantaneous on iOS"

Its a different side of the same coin. It took at least 2 minutes for an iOS error to kick back to the home screen when a co worker was showing us clips of his kids school play.

Ony difference is its no error messge on iOS. And I have seen it vary with Android. Some times it happens fast, sometimes it doesnt.

posted on 06 Mar 2013, 19:49

139. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I have an app...that I can make force close. Its something wrong in the Settings of the app. The force close message always shows up fast.

Maybe because I know how to make it happen, it shows up fast..... dont really know.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 21:47 2

5. 14545 (Posts: 1671; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


No, he says this because he is a former MS employee. Nokia is/was stupid for hiring him. It's too late now, but I can say with full conviction, I would buy an Android Nokia the minute it came out. He is MS though and though, and by limiting them to one platform, he seriously holding back the potential of the company. I'm not saying WP is just outright bad, but I know many people that will not buy it because of metro. I also don't see WP being the "third" major platform. I could see BB making a comeback before seeing WP making major gains in market share. It is really sad seeing such a great product being held back, IMO.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:41

57. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


There are lots who would buy Nokia Androids, but 1) would they be profitable for Nokia? 2) would they be as reliable as Nokia wants them to be for its customers? 3) would they produce enough to meet demand, intentionally under build, or perhaps overbuild and flood the market? 4) would folks cross-shop a Nokia Android without the known "droid" or "galaxy" branding now on consumers' minds? 5) What, other than cameras, would set Nokia apart, and are those cameras even functional on Android? 6) Nokia developed MeeGo as an evolution of MaeMo (and others), as a response to Android (and others), which, as we know, they sold that to Jolla and is resurrected as Sailfish; should they go tri-platform with WP, Android, and Sailfish to diversify their portfolio (and be somewhat Samsung-y with 2 big platforms and one small one), or do what HTC dies with limited success and offer two main platforms simultaneously? Big strategy shifts, and no guaranteed results.

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 10:10

105. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


"HTC does", not dies^ last paragraph. Was typing part last night.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 21:54 2

6. jedpatrickdatu (Posts: 169; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)


If Nokia adopts Android, it would likely be harder for them to sell devices because Samsung's really the go-to brand for Android devices. As for LG, HTC, and Sony, though they're doing well, their sales are much lower compared to Samsung. Nokia wants to build a fresh reputation with WP instead of trying to be the better Android manufacturer, which is going to be hard because Samsung is now so popular. Besides, many average joes who are not tech-savvy enough to appreciate Android exist. The smartphone world would also be boring if everyone just does Android.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 21:59 3

9. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Jedpatrickdatu: It isn't just those who are not tech savy who don't dig android: the platform is inherently insecure, and having your personal data stolen and your bank account drained isn't exactly a reason to celebrate. Granted, WP8 isn't fool proof, but it is more secure than Android OS (all versions), and the same can be said for BB-10, and iOS as well.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:05 2

12. 14545 (Posts: 1671; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Wow, I've been using android since 2010, and my fiancee since 2011, yet neither of us have had that happen. Nor have any of my friends who have been using the platform just as long. Also, my corporate employer is perfectly fine with the security on my phone, all they make me do is run a password or pin. I guess I should look forward to having my bank accounts wiped and my employers IP stolen. Interesting.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:30 2

24. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


14545, if you truly believe that your Android phone is completely secure, then you seriously need to learn more about your OS. Malware has already made it's way into the Google store, and gullible people like yourself don't have a clue...

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:45

30. 14545 (Posts: 1671; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Oh good grief. Apparently ReAdInG comprehension isn't your strong suit. I never once said it was "completely secure. NO OS IS. Not WP, not iOS, not anything. Yes, wow, a couple of pieces of malware has popped up. No different than any other platform. My point is that if my major corporate employer thinks their security is enough, then so do I. Not to mention, you said it had stolen peoples bank accounts and such, please provide evidence to back this up. I'm fairly certain it would have made the news and I would know about it if this had happened. There is no need to lie just to build up your platform. Unlike you, I realize there are flaws in every platform, and I have chosen what works best for me. Also, I would rather BB10 over WP8 anyday. As a former WinMo user, from 2008-2010, it is metro that caused me to leave the platform. And from 08 to 10, I had two different winmo phones, the xv6800 and the TP2. But yes, I'm just gullible, that's the reason I chose android. :rollseyes:

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:01 2

40. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


14545, don't you understand that by the time you see something on the news about malware making it's way through an OS, that particular malware is likely to have existed and done harm a long time before it gets documented and understood? Your phone is infested already, and what's even more laughable is that you think it's safe...

There's no question that Android is more insecure than the other platforms I listed, including WP8, and you pretending otherwise doesn't make the reality any different from the way I'm spelling it out.

One more thing: WP8 is not windows mobile! Get with the times already (yeeeesh). You still trying to use Zune to manage files? Yikes...

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:17 2

49. 14545 (Posts: 1671; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Damn you're an idiot. I NEVER FONKING SAID WP WAS WINMO. IN REALITY, NOT THAT YOU CAN READ, I SAID I LEFT WINDOWS AS A PLATFORM BECAUSE OF THE NEW WP "METRO" PLATFORM. Also, I like how I burst your bubble about bank accounts being drained and you instantly say "oh, it takes time for these things to be documented." PROVE IT OR STFU. Stupid fanboy. All mobile platforms are "not very secure" to a certain extent, LIKE I JUST FONKING SAID. For you to buy into the hype that android is the big bad boogie man proves that you have either A) never used the platform, B) used the platform but don't care because you have made your "choice" and will only degrade everything that isn't your chosen platform because you feel the need to justify your decision. Reaffirming to yourself that you didn't make the wrong decision. Grow up.

All you have done is bought into the hype that android is the bug infested, malware ridden ecosystem that doesn't really exist.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Malware-on-Android---a-myth-or-real-threat_id37322

Try actually stepping outside your comfort zone sometime and see that other platforms are not that bad. Oh, and I would use iOS before using metro. It's just that bad. Unlike you, I have actually played with it, and their is a reason I chose against not using it.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:31 1

54. 14545 (Posts: 1671; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


there*

My typing is terrible tonight. Oh well.

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 01:05

71. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Start8, if you can't figure out how to reach the control panel. Pathetic.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:23

21. MartyK (Posts: 933; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


Urbanphatom,
Don't try to garner allied buy trying to say bb and ios is secure like wp (sucking up like elope must be in dna), cause these platform lovers don't like wp either.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:00 1

10. 14545 (Posts: 1671; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Why? That doesn't even make sense? They would have a harder time selling phones with two operating systems available at their disposal? It *might* cost more on the software development side, but I can't buy into this "they would have a harder time moving product" argument.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:05 2

13. MartyK (Posts: 933; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


Listen up everyone, Samsung is number #1 with android because of their HARDWARE only!. They are not some magical company; their UI sucks big time; we buy Samsung for their HARDWARE ONLY and remove their UI/ROM FOR CUSTOM ROMS.
Nokia is suppose to be this great hardware company like everyone is scream, the would do well with android verse the other manufacturer!.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:10 8

17. urtard (banned) (Posts: 82; Member since: 30 Jan 2013)


Samsung is number #1 because of their software features. The average Android user don't even know what a custom ROM is.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:55

38. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


And this is why I think Nokia can take shares from them, fight features with features because honestly HTC is brain dead and lg.... Well I never trust lg to begin with, so aside from the galaxy line....mmmmm maybe Motorola x

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 15:24

124. MartyK (Posts: 933; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


Then Utard, you need to read this...Please pay attention to the head line it mention NOTHING about some STUPID features.....

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-S-IV-Antutu-benchmark-results-leaked-confirm-many-specifications_id40435

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:53 1

37. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I'm not saying go all the way with Android, that would be dumb, but Nokia has resources to build a decent android devices and back it up instead of its 64957589 lumina phones so they play both games, why be happy with being the king of one OS when you can rule both I'll be more likely to buy a Nokia android powered device any day over a Samsung device (if the skin is not too bloated)

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:30 3

53. 14545 (Posts: 1671; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


"I'm not saying go all the way with Android, that would be dumb, but Nokia has resources to build a decent android devices and back it up instead of its 64957589 lumina phones so they play both games"

I think anyone who actually wants Nokia to succeed is saying this exact statement. No one is even remotely saying that nokia should just dump WP. Instead, they are saying, like myself, that nokia shouldn't tie themselves to a single wagon. Especially not one that only has 3% of the total smartphone marketshare. It would be better if they hedged their bets on a secondary platform that is doing very well for itself. THEN LET THE HARDWARE SELL ITSELF. Nokia is great with one thing, that's making phones that last.

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 10:15

106. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Proto, I would take you more seriously if you said "Lumia" and not that POS mid-90's car the "LumiNa"

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 11:10 1

110. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Oh crap, I just noticed I've been misspelling the name >_< dam you autocorrect!

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