Don't wait for Microsoft's Surface Phone until fall 2017, or better not wait at all

The Surface Phone, if Microsoft is indeed going to launch it, won't be unveiled until later next year. Another report confirms the claim and adds that the Surface Phone could be announced as early as fall 2017 or, in the worst case scenario, sometime in 2018.
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52. meanestgenius

Posts: 21769; Member since: May 28, 2014

Oh look, it's Mxy trying to avenge himself from the verbal dissection I performed on him in several articles over the last couple of days. He's just salty because I pointed out his innate jealousy and the fact that he can't disprove my facts that I constantly shove in his face.

57. Mxyzptlk unregistered

Meanest playing the deflect card yet again. No surprises there.

58. meanestgenius

Posts: 21769; Member since: May 28, 2014

Mxy being a hypocrite again. No surprise there.

61. Mxyzptlk unregistered

Like you can talk.

62. meanestgenius

Posts: 21769; Member since: May 28, 2014

I can. Unlike you.

44. DoggyDangerous

Posts: 1028; Member since: Aug 28, 2015

Correct! GSMArena really have the crowd of dumbest commentators. Atleast you can find some very good commentators on PA. Atleast PA allow some freedom to fight and we can also negate the authors without worrying about their dislike or wrath.

29. talon95

Posts: 994; Member since: Jul 31, 2012

Yes, we all agree ;) And even though we want multiple options for competition, I think it's fair to say that of the options only Android allows for infinite spin-off that will all be app compatible. Some call Anddoid fragmented, but I call the mobile industry with 2 - 5 incompatible OSs fragmented, and Android variants complementary. An open platform has competitive value of its own, which is why I appreciate it the most.

30. meanestgenius

Posts: 21769; Member since: May 28, 2014

Everyone isn't an Android fan, and those that aren't prefer a different OS entirely. While I like forked/skinned versions like FireOS and BlackBerry Secured Android, there are those that don't like Android at all, in any form. And I can definitely relate to that. CHOICE (as in a different OS other than Android, and iOS, for that matter) is what's best for the consumer. There's more than enough room for different OS's, even if some are niche. It's still an option that's welcomed by those of us that don't really want any part of the duopoly.

46. talon95

Posts: 994; Member since: Jul 31, 2012

True, but in many cases what makes them dislike Android isn't an inherent issue with the system. Apple and MS could both build their features and interface on Android if they chose to. I don't want it to lead to a decrease in choice or a monopoly, but in the same way that having every carrier use a proprietary network is bad for users(GSM/CDMA), discouraging consumers from switching by tying all of their app purchases to an individual ecosystem is also a barrier to competition. I use Windows for everything important, but I sure wish it was open source. Or that Linux was being developed more actively and jointly by the governments of the world. If Windows was made in China and MS was Chinese, I wonder if the US government and people would use it as the default OS. Yet we expect them to use US built MS, or iOS when we ourselves can't trust that our data is secure on them. They need present a warrant to search our houses, but it is becoming the new rule that to search our cyber data they require no notice and no warrant, and that's for US citizens with "rights". But we treat the rest of the citizens of the world as if they had no rights at all. But I digress. As a consumer I would enjoy the ability to switch platforms more easily, and for app developers to produce a single app that works anywhere. I wish the diversity could coexist in a single opensource ecosystem instead of only through exclusivity. I don't want another Bluray vs HD DVD war of the past that ends up leaving consumers with useless hardware at some point. Playstation vs Xbox is equally a big mess. Lightning vs USB-C, the list goes on and on, and I don't see the benefit to consumers. IF and ONLY IF that solution is an open source or un-licensed standard that everyone agrees to use. I'd like to avoid another Nokia, Microsoft, Blackberry disaster. Where companies that many of us appreciate, go down the niche market route you mentioned and end up bankrupt because they can't compete. It is by intelligent design that Android is open source (although not nearly perfect) and holds 86% of the world market share. If anything I worry that iOS and W10 will fall like BB, Symbian, etc and leave their users with useless hardware and software. Luckily the winner itself is already more diverse (Amazon, CM etc) than the market as a whole.

49. meanestgenius

Posts: 21769; Member since: May 28, 2014

You're wrong on that assumption. Most people that dislike Android just don't like they system. If Apple and Microsoft were to build their phones using Android as the base OS, it would still be Android. Doesn't make a difference how you make it look, it's still Android, and therefore, would still mean less choice. Just because you can customize the hell out of Android, doesn't, doesn't mean it's not still Android. Again, you're trying to make Windows more like Android. Why make it Linux based? What's wrong with the way it is now? What makes you think if a company goes down the niche route that they'll go bankrupt? And Android being open source and holding 86% market share doesn't guarantee success for individual OEM's. Just ask Sony, HTC, Motorola, and LG. Most of Android's dominant market share is held by one OEM, and that's Samsung. Having Android on your phone does not guarantee success. I fail to see why Android fans don't accept this fact.

25. Podrick

Posts: 1284; Member since: Aug 19, 2015

Indeed. If only they had a CEO with decent vision. Steve Baldmer sucked and Nadella is disappointing as well. All they needed to do was follow Lumia 520's blueprint on mid range and flagships as well. Make good quality and good spec'd phones with affordable pricing. Temporary sacrifice to increase marketshare and number of good apps on the store and slowly increase the price when they have decent marketshare.

27. meanestgenius

Posts: 21769; Member since: May 28, 2014

Nadella's problem is that he's not a smartphone guy. He has no attachment to them. He's a cloud and services guy. He'd be just as happy to do away with Windows on a smartphone and just keep pushing it onto tablets, laptops, hybrids, and PC's.

45. DoggyDangerous

Posts: 1028; Member since: Aug 28, 2015

Nadella look like a jocker than a ceo. Atleast the guy should change/improve his personality and adopt a persona to appear like a ceo. He has one of the worst smile in big corporate CEOs.

6. Jason2k13

Posts: 1459; Member since: Mar 28, 2013

Microsoft better fix the app gap if they wanna stay relevant... The surface phone sounds good, but Samsung or Apple are not stupid, and will create something to match it.

7. CX3NT3_713

Posts: 2349; Member since: Apr 18, 2011

Don't get anything windows phone, get you an android or iPhone.

16. Fona13A unregistered

How about nobody buys according to what anyone else buys.

28. meanestgenius

Posts: 21769; Member since: May 28, 2014

Agree with what Fona13A posted. If you don't like Windows, that's your business, but don't try and tell anyone else how to spend their money.

8. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

I'm actually glad to hear this. I don't want another Windows Phone with half-assed Continuum that's merely a full-PC wannabe, yet still relies on a separate PC. Android already offers that with Andromium OS without requiring any major software update, simply install the app. Plus, it'll merely be holding the Surface brand with nothing to make it as compelling as the other Surface products are, IMO. What I want is the official materialization of something like the SyncPhone. That was the closest thing to that Surface concept shown in the article. Only thing missing is the true Continuum UI for the Smartphone form-factor, improvement in battery life (definitely coming with future processors), and a lot of debugging knowing Microsoft, lol. Take your time and get it right Panos. Make it another pratical, innovative and 0 compromise masterpiece for the platform like all your other Surface designs. That's what makes me love my Surface Pro 2.

10. james2841

Posts: 167; Member since: Dec 10, 2014

just as long as it has an x86 processor. it would be perfect.

11. Fona13A unregistered

Any sensible fan would want them to take their time but make a slam dunk in advertising the product, if they ever give us the bonus sprinkle of consumer appeal. I want there to be competition even if it ends up niche.

31. cnour

Posts: 2305; Member since: Sep 11, 2014

Sorry, but who is waiting?

34. xeonfire

Posts: 94; Member since: Feb 15, 2014

Windows Mobile was a flop...Microsoft Lumia another flop. I stuck with my Nokia Lumia 9..what, i can't even remember. Used that as a daily driver and am glad I have ditched that and gone to the other side. The OS is not bad, but kinda boring to look at. And the worst part...the apps. It was always a big struggle trying to do something on the Windows phone. So thanks, no thanks!

56. newuser1

Posts: 276; Member since: Dec 10, 2010

Windows Mobile was a flop...Microsoft Lumia another flop?????? Microsoft started windows mobile in 2003, had lumia brand after purchase nokia in 2014. The first commercially available smartphone running Android was the HTC Dream, released on October 22, 2008.

35. snowgator

Posts: 3621; Member since: Jan 19, 2011

The only way this works on try #5 (I think, who keeps count) for a MS mobile OS: -It does something unique from iOS or Android in a very easy to adopt manner. I used WP exclusively for years, and it was an easy to understand, simple OS. But other then live tiles, it offered very little after WP8 replaced WP7 that the two big boys didn't offer. -It has an ecosystem that is strong enough to entice users. The Universal App solution HAS to be a success BEFORE any Surface Phone shows up. WP would have been fine with even 75% of the apps and streaming support the big two have. MS couldn't get close. -The hardware offers something fun and impressive. In other words, even a die hard like me that would jump back in a second recognizes that something decent ain't good enough to abandon a fully developed OS. Sure, I could ramble on about my gripes with Android for quite a bit, but I won't jump off of it just for the OS. Tools, productivity, and endless hardware options has helped me see that the OS is only 1/3 of a smartphone. MS- if you can't deliver the whole package, keep Windows 10 mobile a productivity option and build a business presence until you can.

36. tpiapiac

Posts: 1; Member since: Sep 09, 2016

It's kinda funny, because Surface Phone already exists and is on market. Its name is HP Elite x3. Sorry to everyone who waited for amazing Microsoft flagship but the truth is more like – HP needs to be successful, if it won't be there also won't' l be chance for Microsoft killer phone.

47. newuser1

Posts: 276; Member since: Dec 10, 2010

yep. Intel closed last hope for surface phone. HP elite x3 should be the last winner. Only left for Microsoft is the windows mobile 10 OS.

53. darealist

Posts: 107; Member since: Feb 25, 2015

Nope. Elite x3 uses ARM CPU, which practically makes it just another Lumia phone---fail. The people want an actual mini-Surface Pro with capabilities of a full-blown PC and not another toy phone running iOS, Android, or Windows Phone.

55. newuser1

Posts: 276; Member since: Dec 10, 2010

surface phone wanted to use intel atom cpu, but intel announced discontinue mobile business, so ARM cpu left for surface phone to choose, then delayed again. When apple toy iPhone came to market, people eager to try new product because its colorful screen, and belief in iPhone brand. Android copied colorful background from toy phone made people fall into it. Some people urged Microsoft copy the colorful interface after windows phone was pushed out of the line. Not good idea, Microsoft believe in windows, don't do that. To make difference in market, we need phones like syncphone, holofone.

39. go4bigfuzz

Posts: 3; Member since: Sep 09, 2016

I'd like to point out that Windows 8.1m was actually the 3rd Windows mobile/phone OS... Please do your research before writing an article.

48. newuser1

Posts: 276; Member since: Dec 10, 2010

Not get confused with windows mobile. windows phone was version until 8.1. windows mobile was platform from 2000 to 2010. We are now using windows 10 mobile.

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