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Do Android's shipment figures overstate the platform's market share?

0. phoneArena posted on 12 Mar 2013, 00:53

According to a report from web video network provider Ooyala, the Apple iPhone accounts for a vast majority of mobile video traffic related to smartphones witha 67% market share with Android responsible for 33% and these numbers don't make sense in light of stats from IDC that show Android with a 68% share of the smartphone market, and iOS with 19%...

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posted on 12 Mar 2013, 00:59 12

1. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)

Uh oh! I better defend >X< smartphone platform because that's the one that I use! >Z< smartphone platform sucks!!

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 01:51 4

10. Ohrules (Posts: 327; Member since: 11 Jun 2012)

offtopic, but you have to see this:

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 06:22 4

19. lyndon420 (Posts: 4953; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)

Apple sucks.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 01:02 11

2. nikenturd (unregistered)

Android dominates....period

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 01:32 5

7. KINGJUAN27 (Posts: 210; Member since: 02 Jul 2012)

Android is OVERRATED!

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 01:43 8

9. faisolbauuz (Posts: 121; Member since: 05 Jan 2013)

Remember when apple slogan is "think different" ?

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 03:54 2

14. PhoneArena. (banned) (Posts: 28; Member since: 11 Mar 2013)

Its hard to say that both are.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 05:27 2

17. KINGJUAN27 (Posts: 210; Member since: 02 Jul 2012)

Yes. Both Android and Apple are overrated!

So if you hate overrated platforms switch to
Windows or BlackBerry or anything else! :DD

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 18:23

32. Pings (Posts: 304; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

"Windows or BlackBerry"


posted on 12 Mar 2013, 01:06 6

3. Equilibrium (Posts: 18; Member since: 15 Nov 2012)

I was under the impression Android reports it by devices activated, while Apple reports it based on items shipped.

Can anybody clarify?

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 01:19

4. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)

Both platforms have different kinds of reporting their devices and items.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 01:27

6. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)

it means +10 % for Android :)

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 07:22 1

22. Aeires (unregistered)

Can't speak for Apple but Android does go by phones activated.

Funny how so many people think they just ship phones without selling them. You'd think there was a profit in just moving stock around by the arguments of some.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 07:45 1

27. ithinkimjoe (Posts: 25; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)

As I can post URLs apparently, PhoneArena reported that the IDC reported Samsung topped Apple in smartphone SHIPMENTS in 2012. says nothing about sales or activations.

This is consistent with most articles posted by independent companies providing insight. Most android manufacturers don't actually reveal any SALES numbers. Google goes by activation, not all android manufacturers.

if you feel like searching, the title is "IDC: Samsung topped Apple in smart connected device shipments for 2012" and its from 2/22/13.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 08:05 2

28. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 904; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)

People are overlooking the very obvious explanation of this. Most IOS users can't afford the apps in their own app store because they are always saving up for the next iPhone. Hence more free time to watch cat videos on youtube.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 01:25 1

5. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)

of course! Kids are usually watching videos......and they mostly like yellow colour! So just try to compare yellow colour displays in videos and you know who uses Apple's iConboards :)

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 01:34 6

8. Adithya7184 (Posts: 319; Member since: 05 Mar 2011)

oooyala...i never heard that thing....by this way apple wants convince people that iOS is better....lol.....you f****d up apple

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 02:03 1

11. nlbates66 (Posts: 328; Member since: 15 Aug 2012)

so what is Ooyala anyway? anybody heard of it? is it a backend of various video services?

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 02:44 4

12. MartianMe (unregistered)

Who cares?????? this is none sense.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 03:21 4

13. roscuthiii (Posts: 2233; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)

Keep polishing Alan, keep polishing. That AAPL isn't getting any shinier.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 04:24 1

15. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

What the author of this article kindly fails to mention is the activation numbers Apple and Google mention at keynotes.

Are you implying Google is making those numbers up? And market share companies are lying? They have to be getting those numbers from somewhere independent of Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 07:14

21. ithinkimjoe (Posts: 25; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)

What you kindly fail to recognize, is that not all Apple and Android devices are "activated." Activated means turned on on a mobile network, not every iOS device, nor every Android device is sold through a carrier and activated on their network. I have a Galaxy Tab that would never show up as "activated" but it sure as hell would show up at "shipped." Same goes for the iPod Touch I have, would show up at "sold" and not "activated."

So no, the author is not saying that anyone is making numbers up, he's saying that their using certain terms to imply a higher market share %.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 07:23

23. Aeires (unregistered)

I always thought the numbers were counted when you logged into your account to get the Play store and whatnot after powering on a new phone. What network/carrier you are on is irrelevant.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 07:29

24. ithinkimjoe (Posts: 25; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)

you can activate a phone/tablet without logging into google services. so they'd count activation numbers as they'd most likely be higher. just like you don't need to log in with your apple ID after you've activated the iPhone.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 07:35 1

25. Aeires (unregistered)

And who does that? Who buys a phone and never downloads an app?

Seriously, I know Google goes by activations and I'm not completely sure exactly how that's calculated, but I don't know of or heard of anyone who buys a phone and doesn't log in. There's no way the massive market share that Android has shown is from people doing what you're saying.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 07:40

26. ithinkimjoe (Posts: 25; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)

I'm sure there are people who have just bought a smartphone for the internet.... i imagine this group consists of older purchasers of the free android phones. also, the play store and google services are not in every country around the world...

and obviously i'm not saying the mass market does it, i'm saying activations would give a high number to report because there will be people that don't log in. it can't be very hard for google to track phones that are activated on any mobile network worldwide.

and a lot of reports related to android selling companies report phones shipped and does the IDC when reporting market share numbers. they don't mention actual sales when talking about android phones.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 20:07

33. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

The author mentions all these things related to market share....but leaves out activations?

Thats part of my point.

By the way....I would be willing to bet an insane amount of money....that devices shipped to customers, bought by customers but not activated is an insanely small amount. Customers...not stores...

Activations might also be tied to IMEI, ESN ID's. Meaning that even if I install mutiple ROMs on my Android phones...and have to activate it each time....that happens when doing a major ROM change..... it wouldnt count as 3 activations, but one. I dont know....just guessing here.

Even if I pull out 3 old Android phones I have.....and activate them all on my 3 line plan....even tho their old....its still an Android phone in use. Meaning some one is using an Android phone.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 04:26

16. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)

"But unless something changes, we are comparing Apples with oranges Android". You mean Lemons??

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 05:39

18. JunkCreek (Posts: 407; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)

i like oranges and lemons more than apple. not haters, but the price is magically, revolutionary, unbelievably tagged.

posted on 12 Mar 2013, 06:30 1

20. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1543; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)

Or just another biesed bashing to Android coming from Alan.
A more logical explanation: Ooyala is a USA company that's only available IN ENGLISH.
In the US and UK iOS has better numbers than in the rest of the world. Add to that statisc that it's counting OS, including smarphones and tablets. As Apple dominate the tablet market and probably tablets are more use to watch videos... there you have the difference.
But Alan compared the 70% Android got in SMARTPHONES WORLDWIDE to the statisc of both tablets and smarthphones video usage mainly in the US...
So Alan, may be it's you who should learn to compare smartphones to smartphones, OS to OS and Video Usage to Video Usage, and stop mixing things however it suits your taste.

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