Dismal flagship sales report reveals there isn't much money in Android

There have never been so many great phones at every screen size and in every price segment than this season, and never so great value-for-money phones. From the 5" waterproof Xperia M5 with 20 MP camera, through the $150 Redmi Note 2 that offers a 5.5" 1080p display and camera with phase detection autofocus, to the premium $700 Note5 which has the best screen-to-body ratio for its display size, there is something for everyone out there...
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6. Johnnokia

Posts: 1158; Member since: May 27, 2012

A new Operating System with new revolutionary hardware must be dawned soon. Is there any iPhone killer looming over the horizon??

15. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

Nope nope and nope. Apple popularized a template for smartphones (slate, multitouch, cameras front and back) and nearly everything since has been some variation thereof. You want new new, start looking at neural implants or something way out there.

152. iushnt

Posts: 3105; Member since: Feb 06, 2013

cameras, really?

180. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

Yep. Facetime on the iPhone 4 made the FFC a thing.

73. TBomb

Posts: 1505; Member since: Dec 28, 2012

Amazon tried. Microsoft tried. Blackberry tried. A lot of it comes down to the apps to get an OS started and a new player is just too late to the game by now. I would say just throw together a simple design and go jump in the arena, but unless you got Angry Birds 1 and 2, it's just not going to happen. *When I say Angry Birds I mean general popular apps.

193. Plutonium239

Posts: 1217; Member since: Mar 17, 2015

Windows Phone has "general popular apps", except snapchat. Although, snapchat isn't much of a loss, the primary user base being teenage girls.

7. torr310

Posts: 1659; Member since: Oct 27, 2011

Android Phones are always about the specs, but I wish there would be specs plus refinement. There might be many phones with great specs, but the evil is in every detail.

81. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

False. They aren't about specs. The reason many Android OEM's talk about them is because, they arent using their own software. All of them use Android. HTC and Samsung were the leader tahnsk to their skins which actually brought real functionality to Android when it itself didnt have it. Now Google is bring much of that natively into the operating system almost eliminating the need for skins. It seems Google doesn't allow an OEM to make significant changes to the code. Which is why HTC and Samsung use a skin layer to bring unique functions. HTC simply didnt take it far enough with Sense and Samsung went to far with TW. TouchWiz now has a nice balance of features that a re more useful. Android itself simply doesn't sell. It has no selling properties. What sells Android is hardware. We all know Apple and Microsoft offer somethign beyond hardware. Windows bring seemless integration of lots of things, does it cheaply and is updated consisitently. iOS and OSX couldnt handle what Windows does. When you actually sit down and understand what Windows actually does, you'd be amazed. iOS does nothing. Its an app launcher. Its so lame you can even customize the UI to your personal tastes. iOS is a locked down ice cave. If this was any OEm, I'd say the same. I have always hated limited platfroms. When I first played with Apple Basic, I was in love.. Not even knowing at the time it was made by Microsoft. Apple is terrible at making software. Even to this day iTunes and Quicktime are resource hogging malware ridden pieces of junk. Today it still takes me 6 hours to transfer all my apps and movies and music via iTunes to an iPad, when on Windows Explorer I can put it all on my galaxy in less than 4. Yes those specs matter. Faster storage means faster file copying, faster charging means less time charging in short moments, faster CPus means faster shutter speeds, faster app launches, faster multi-tasking, better game play. I wished Android used code that also had direct access ot hardware. With todays cpus/gpu/ and more, Apple would br dead. Android biggest drawback is it is a virtual machine. They simply arent powerful like having direct access. That is why DirectX is so much better than OpenGL. Without specs, software would be crap. Apple has made iOS run on crappy low end hardware. Android can run on it too, if you dont want your phone to do sh!t. Compare a $650 iPhone to a Galaxy S of the same cost. Everything about the S is better..>EVERYTHING

11. JayBEE

Posts: 180; Member since: Apr 03, 2014

Perhaps they are too busy trying to be like Apple and not innovating.

17. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

The one company on this list still making a profit on phones is doing just that.

34. tedkord

Posts: 17358; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

The one company on this list still making money is leading Apple's direction.

64. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

Forcing Apple's hand you mean. Apple would have been content to sell 4" phones, but the likes of Samsung gave people bigger phones for the same or lower price. That's not innovation, but it was differentiation and it's why so many of my friends bought the Galaxy S3. Now that the iPhone is bigger, you're even less likely to see current iPhone owners migrate to Android.

80. tedkord

Posts: 17358; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

It's been more that just phone size. Apple has been following Android and Samsung for several years now.

99. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

How has Apple been following Samsung? In design and materials? Hell no. In UI smoothness? Definitely not. Tablets? Apple set the standard, and Amazon was the company that forced them to make an 8" mini. The changes to add multitasking and notifications to iOS 7? That's Google/Android, not Samsung. Now Swype-style keyboards, that's what I call innovation.

89. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Agreed. To add. Size is just an evolution. The iPhone was bigger than typical flip phones, especially the display. So why Steve Jobs ever mocked large displays was stupid because he talked about how much better it was to have a larger display and get rid of the keyboard, which is where phones were going anyways. How big is too big? Well again, Apple made a 10" tablet saying its the perfect size. How is ti a tablet is ok to be big, but not a phone. Wouldnt a phone with a biiger display be euqlly as nice? NOOOO because if you have a bigger phone, people wont need tablets which even Apple knew this. Now ipad sales are dropping as people would rather have a big device, that is more pocket sized. Just remember, in 2010 along, 25% of the phones that were top sellers had a display above 4" where 4.3" was the most common. When Samsung made the original Note, in truth size really wasnt the issue. It was overcoming Steve Jobs insults of larger displays, using a stylus and more. Samsung marketed above this. Steve Jobs made it seem that writing as old as it was, needed to be replaced with typing. I HATE TYPING. Its slower, its boring and it has no creativity whatsoever. Much like how Steve Jobs life was. He didn't create Mac designs, be beat his employee into making the best overall designed based on his ideas and they had to make them reality via description. If Apple had released a 4" phone just one more time with the iPhone 6, the sales would have dropped significantly. The only thing that prevented that was size. because they had nothing else. No features, no ideas, no concepts for something new. SO they did the only last ditch effort option. Everyone has wanted a larger size iPhone for years. Apple knew this. Steve Jobs was simply a hypocrite. Cook says we better do this because when he came, more than 50% of top selling phones were above 4". Today as we speak 75% of the phones sold are above 4". If Apple didnt go big 75% of the selling phones wouldnt not have included the iPhone. It was simply the best time for them to make the move because everyone else had already pushed users to larger phones. Size is progression. It isnt copying. You cant copy size. Size is determined by need. For a display to be truly HD, it had to be bigger. Apple shoving all those pixels into a smaller size hurt peoples eyes. There is still lots of reasons to go Android just like Windows. More flexibility, more capability and even experiemental options to test acceptibility and it can all be done at a much lower margin of cost overall. And because of that we get better stuff faster. Apple waited all these years to go 1080p, and yet todays 1080p display they use isnt even better than the ones we use 3 years ago. Look at the iPhone 6 Plus with such a huge battery and yet even the Galaxy S6 Edge with a smaller battery last longer. iPhone are status symbols. I've heard people say, you are nothing if you dont own an iPhone and many people actually believe.

13. NonFanBoy

Posts: 180; Member since: May 28, 2015

Apple is making an operating profit of 185$ per phone !! You can get a high end android phone for that price.

90. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Which one?

148. NonFanBoy

Posts: 180; Member since: May 28, 2015

Mi 4i, Zenfone 2, Meizu m2 Note, Redmi Note 2(less than 150$) are few of the phones that come to mind.

19. PorkyBurger

Posts: 585; Member since: May 18, 2013

BobbyBuster can jack off to this article in his basement now. Yay. *runs away with loads of popcorn and s'mores* *please don't take me seriously, lol*

27. KeyserSoze

Posts: 387; Member since: Oct 06, 2014

The Apple bubble cannot be sustained indefinitely. Tim Cook does not have Steve Yobs' coattails to ride on and charisma to convince iSheep to drink their KoolAid and buy sht products for premium price forever. Just look at how bland their iWatch is compared to the awesome variety of Android Wear products. Apple is no longer innovative, they can't even match the beautiful styles of Moto X. They will lose the mobile war to Android the same way they lost the PC war to Microsoft. Resistance is futile.

38. darkkjedii

Posts: 31081; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Man, I'd love to lose the way they're losing right now. All that bank...

42. KeyserSoze

Posts: 387; Member since: Oct 06, 2014

Right now is not forever. Apple ran out of ideas and are now trying to copy Amazon and get in on the TV/Movie-making business. Without Steve Yobs' marketing clout Tim Cook and company will fail.

74. TBomb

Posts: 1505; Member since: Dec 28, 2012

As much as I enjoyed the joke about losing with all that bank... I will have to side with Keyser on this one. The numbers may not be showing it right now, but I see that people are wanting change and at some point Android is going to be close enough to Apple (in terms of User experience) for people to switch without much of an issue and the little Android "gimmicks" will be the deciding factor.

162. darkkjedii

Posts: 31081; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

"At some point"? It's there now on the high end phones, like Galaxy's. I have to side with darkkjedii on this one.

177. TBomb

Posts: 1505; Member since: Dec 28, 2012

I think we're fighting for the same point then. The only thing I meant that you might not agree with is that it will only get more prevalent and Android will steal more as time goes on and Android gets later in the alphabet

35. darkkjedii

Posts: 31081; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

BobbyBuster is gonna eat this article alive.

57. Clars123

Posts: 1078; Member since: Mar 16, 2015

Oh God.....he must be jerking off to this as we speak

154. iushnt

Posts: 3105; Member since: Feb 06, 2013

indeed!!

36. nebula

Posts: 1009; Member since: Feb 20, 2015

I don't mind paying Android as much as regular user pays owning Iphone but please make that bloody platform as reliable and polished as IOS. Lag and bloatware free.

41. darkkjedii

Posts: 31081; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

You must not have tried ios 8
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