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Current state of Windows Phone: What's the hold up?

0. phoneArena posted on 03 Jun 2013, 13:58

Something is dreadfully wrong, terribly wrong in the Windows Phone camp! If you’ve somehow stumbled across one of my social networking accounts, whether it’s Twitter or Google+, you’re probably well aware about some of the devices I personally use. Being a reviewer and all, it’s...

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posted on 03 Jun 2013, 14:17 22

1. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 4280; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)

I hope things change...
Microsoft will not be able to keep up with Android at this pace.
Sales will be consistent for WP but while we are at the current status of 8, surpassing Android still feels like a dream.

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 14:39 10

6. SuperMaoriBro (Posts: 533; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)

Back when wp8 was announced I really wanted to get a device running it. But the products took months to arrive, I gave up waiting and bought a flagship android. Now im deep in the android eco system with no regrets. MS after you build hype make it easy for someone to purchase your products - we are an impatient bunch :)

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 15:17 10

13. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

Wp8's market share is growing John V. Truth is most windows phones are world phones especially the nokia's. And to be a world phone, it is just easier to be a gsm sim card accepting phone. Sprint doesn't do that. It's Sprint's fault, not Microsoft's.

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 15:23

14. roldefol (Posts: 4364; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

Sprint doesn't use regular SIM cards on their LTE phones? What do they use then? I ask because while my VZW LTE phone wasn't initially a "world phone", it recently became one via software update.

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 15:30

16. tacarat (Posts: 804; Member since: 22 Apr 2013)

For compatibility where LTE isn't in place, Sprint and Verizon phones still have CDMA equipment built in for voice. LTE is mostly being used for data until more infrastructure is built up. It's why you can't use cellular voice and data on their iPhones in most areas just yet. Apple wouldn't make hardware adjustments for them, whereas a lot of Android makers would.

Or so I hear. Can't post links yet >.>

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 15:40

21. roldefol (Posts: 4364; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

True, LTE is data-only for now, but Verizon's infrastructure is almost complete. I just recently discovered the iPhone 5 doesn't allow simultaneous CDMA voice and LTE data, which is, for lack of a better word, crap. They didn't want to add (or lacked room for) a separate LTE antenna, and since CDMA accounts for only a small portion of Apple's sales, they didn't feel a need to accommate the carriers. So AT&T still has talk-and-surf bragging rights. Thanks, Apple!

That doesn't explain why Sprint couldn't carry a Lumia 92x though, since Nokia should definitely be able to support the extra antenna.

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 16:21

26. tacarat (Posts: 804; Member since: 22 Apr 2013)

I was incredibly surprised the i5 didn't do that for S/V. Apple does what Apple does, but still. As for Sprint, I have a feeling they don't want people considering other phones than iPhones and what they have now for a few reasons.

The first is that they have made contractual arrangements to sell a ton of iphones. There's probably a penalty if they fail to meet that.

Second, a new OS would require more training of staff on their end for support, more effort and all those things that add up to higher costs. Sprint has a major selling point on their pricing. I'm pretty sure they'll avoid having to hike prices if they can.

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 19:09

35. OldWarrior632 (Posts: 14; Member since: 03 Jun 2013)

Indeed, Sprint comitted to buying a very large number of iPhones from Apple, whether they sold them or not. (Take or Pay) in order to get the Iphone. If you look at Sprint's history, they have not shown a profit in over 5 years (as far as my research can go back) and in 2014, they are only estimated to even break even in Q3, followed by a -$0.13 in Q4. Sprint may have a lot of customers, but are not anyone's road to success. Verizon will be the live or die for WP phones, and the store I bought my 928 from last week had never even seen one until mine came in. Grim news.

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 15:32 2

18. TheBitterrTruth (unregistered)

It will definitely take time to surpass android, even iOS but I think they can at least gain a good share in OS industry.
They should increase their apps.

posted on 04 Jun 2013, 03:15

50. selena1000 (Posts: 85; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)

well the true reason why android is huge is because its on almost every phone in market form makers like Samsung and HTC to local chinese makers. thats why it has a high market share

posted on 06 Jun 2013, 16:44

53. sgodsell (Posts: 4737; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)

The real problem is Microsoft controls too much of the WP OS and hardware. So OEMS can't deviate to much from Microsoft's controlled hw specs. Also how can any one company compete with android, especially since android is open to anyone. So any OEM can take android, modify it, and breath new innovation into it. Not to mention Linux supports a multitude of different CPUs.

posted on 06 Jun 2013, 19:04

54. gd761 (Posts: 150; Member since: 18 Sep 2012)

As for Microsoft controlling the Hardware Specs, you are right to a point. You can NOT put Less than what Microsoft says that they Want for their WP OS, but you can Exceed Microsoft's Min Specs. Most Companies want to just use what they can get the Most Profit from. So if they use an outdated CPU, then they Will do that. If they want to use sub par Memory, then they Will do that as well.

So with Microsoft telling the Manufacturers what the Min Specs they can use, is NOT a bad thing for the Customers at all. It just effects the Profits of the Manufacturers. It only effects them in the short term, because they will be buying MORE of the Higher Spec Parts for the Phones which drives down the cost which in turn drives up the profit.

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 14:19

2. sharks (Posts: 236; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)

Much ado about nothing.

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 14:19 10

3. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3535; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)

Very good article! I just so agree with this. Microsoft is so close to a perfect OS, but for some reason they just don't put enough effort in it. And that's sad because I really love WP and Nokia. Microsoft just needs a little kick to it's butt so the whole WP ecosystem would go up like a rocket!

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 14:48 12

10. ZeroCide (Posts: 785; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)

I argree its almost perfect. Almost being the key word. Microsoft needs to step up a bit and finish the lagging touches. If WP is Bulit on the Windows platform it has GREAT potential both as an OS and an ecosystem. Other developers besides Nokia should step up their game and make better phones. I hope BLUE brings the OS to full capabilites.

posted on 04 Jun 2013, 00:05

47. icyrock1 (Posts: 307; Member since: 25 Mar 2013)

Tbh, that's a problem that WP is facing. It seems to be that Nokia is the only one trying when it comes to new hardware. Microsoft needs to do something to get more people making handsets for the platform. HTC half heartedly tried with the 8X.

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 14:20 1

4. _Bone_ (Posts: 2155; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)

For the sake of a healthy in-OS rivalry which is always good for the end-user, Nokia needs strong competition. It's pretty good how HTC, LG and Samsung are pushing each others on the Android front with Sony, Huawei and others remind them not to be lazy, someone needs to pressurize Nokia too.

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 14:36

5. madpiyal (Posts: 108; Member since: 11 Feb 2013)

It seems like in US Windows Phone is not promoted and supported as in Asia. Whatever the current situation of Windows phone may be its nice to have another OS available. Even though I am yet to own a Windows Phone, I think like Mr John my next phone will be one( though John is waiting for a change). I always like when something is put together well. In this case the superb build quality of Nokia and a polished OS.

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 14:40 5

7. tusshharish (Posts: 342; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)

microsoft should devolop wp more and should add support of newest hardware............also app devolopers should give attention towards wp........

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 14:41

8. tacarat (Posts: 804; Member since: 22 Apr 2013)

It's not quite their fault. Only 40 countries use CDMA. You have to have a "world phone" with a GSM chip to use their phones everywhere else. That will limit the sales potential of a CDMA only phone and make a more specialized phone more expensive.

Can't do much about the perception of old hardware for the windows phone. There are plenty of people buying high end phones for bragging rights rather than actual use. Have you considered an android phone with a W8 launcher?

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 14:45 7

9. sybersushi1 (Posts: 8; Member since: 29 May 2013)

I love Wp 8 so much!I hope i will sell my Samsung galaxy SIII and buy Nokia Lumia 925!


posted on 03 Jun 2013, 14:52 4

11. ZeroCide (Posts: 785; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)

Same here. I use both Android and WP, but i love the buttery slickness, flow and the fast app/game switching in WP and I only use 7.8. I can't wait to get a WP8 / WPBLUE device once my carrier has one.

AGREE!!! "MICROSOFT,NOKIA,WORLD wake up!" I'll add SPRINT to that!!!!!

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 15:16 1

12. scorpeyun (Posts: 26; Member since: 18 May 2012)

Very good article and hits all the right points! Being an IT admin and I've always been a Microsoft fan. I've been waiting for sprint to offer a windows phone for some time now but they are dragging there feet in the mud. If you want to keep you customers happy sprint at least provide them with all the options when it comes down to platform, not just what you think customers want. I use a Nokia 920 for my work phone from at&t because the option wasn't available with sprint.

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 15:28 2

15. cornerofthemoon (Posts: 601; Member since: 20 Apr 2010)

I'd hate to think what shape the WP platform would be in now if it weren't for Nokia....

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 15:30 2

17. TheBitterrTruth (unregistered)

Windows phones = Nokia !

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 16:11

25. ZeroCide (Posts: 785; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)

That shouldn't be the case. All the other manufacturers should step up and make flagship phones in the WP platform. Right now Samsung and HTC are the only others that have made WP handsets. Recently Huawei has gotten into the game. All the other manufactuers like Sony, LG, Sharp, ZTE, and others need to step up.

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 22:46 1

45. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

Windows phones=down south

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 15:33 3

19. papss (unregistered)

Lol something must be terribly wrong..OMG John..could you be more dramatic? How about it being more about people not wanting change or are heavily invested in their platform? Sprint? Are they even a competitive carrier anymore? Tmob gets more phones then they do.
HTC is in piss poor shape themselves, SS is way more focused on where the user base is and their own OS. Should there be more? Absolutely. Is there something terribly wrong? I'd have to say not.

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 15:35

20. DFranch (Posts: 247; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

It seems Sprint is the one with the issue. AT&T, Verizon and soon T-mobile all have high end WP phones. It doesn't seem fair to blame anybody but Sprint for this one.

posted on 03 Jun 2013, 16:01

23. ZeroCide (Posts: 785; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)

Sprint is always late to the party.

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