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Codename: Catwalk - here's what we know about Nokia's mysterious aluminum smartphone

0. phoneArena posted on 08 May 2013, 09:25

Nokia is rumored to have a number of handsets that are almost ready for introduction, but the so-called Nokia Catwalk is probably the most exciting one. Not because of specs or something like that. Nope, after all, its specs are expected to be as good as those of any decent Windows Phone device around. What makes it intriguing is how different it is from the rest of Nokia's smartphone range, as well as from the majority of the market...

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posted on 08 May 2013, 09:29 11

1. Kurai (unregistered)

Such a beauty! . . . it's a shame wp8 is limiting it's true potential as a device (max of only 2 cores and only 720p screen) :( . .

posted on 08 May 2013, 09:55 40

11. SIGPRO (Posts: 1865; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)

WP does not need a quadcore to run smoothly, Many Android phones has quadcore inside and still the phone is slow and laggy.

only 720p? like you can see the difference between 720p and 1080p, oh maybe you hold your phone 1 centimeter from your eyes!

Hardware specs is not all you need, when a os like android is not optimized you can put a octacore inside and it will still lag!

posted on 08 May 2013, 11:00 23

31. Reverence (Posts: 224; Member since: 16 Jul 2012)

Hardware is like a gimmick, realtime performance matters and thats how android sells devices, not by realtime performance but by high end speech sheets which fail in real world

posted on 08 May 2013, 13:36 3

58. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

Then don't buy dualcore phones™

Go get a L520 single core low Gpu, that won't be able to play highend games!

posted on 08 May 2013, 13:51 16

59. tusshharish (Posts: 342; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)

nokia l520 is dual core dude.......and it can handle games like asphalt...

posted on 08 May 2013, 17:22

76. windroid (unregistered)

You don't even know what you're talking about, writing so much and knowing so little!
You can only count the number of cores and even so you do it wrong!


posted on 08 May 2013, 15:03 8

65. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)

dont forget android is java based all around which is actully really slow compared to others and all developers agree on this faCt

posted on 08 May 2013, 12:08 9

45. akki20892 (Posts: 3902; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)

1000+ for u dude, 100% agree

posted on 08 May 2013, 12:52 1

48. Pedro0x (Posts: 271; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)

It is not about smoothness we are talking about. If you buy a smartphone for that kind of money you expect the best.
All smartphones lag, iphone or WP phones are no exception( I have many iphones in my school and they all lag) and every time I have touched a WP phone, it has lagged and it felt slow. I am not saying that SGS 4 or HTC ONE won´t lag because all smartphone will eventually lag. But I have to agree that WP runs better than android low and mid smartphones because the system isn´t very optimized on low and mid smartphones.
Only 720p? No I can not see difference between 1080p and 720p on a phone but if someone would offer you two smartphones with the same price tag but one will have 1080p display and the other one 720p display( and of course with almost the same battery consumption) which one would you take?
I agree

posted on 08 May 2013, 13:03

51. Pedro0x (Posts: 271; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)

I am sorry but phonearena didn´t want to let me edit.

I agree HW is not all but if you have superior HW that you can do things that you couldn´t otherwise with a worse HW.
We have to take advantage of the new technology otherwise we are stuck.

posted on 08 May 2013, 14:58 2

64. Leo_MC (Posts: 2529; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)

You must have bad iphones because I am yet to see one lagging.

The world works in mysterious way; when comparing S3 (bad plastic, bad display, worse performance, more expensive) with HOX (great build quality, wonderfull display, best performances for it's time - in bechmarks at least, less expensive), it's clear the worse phone for the money won.
Optimus G is even better built than both of them, equally priced; even so it had the worst sells.

posted on 08 May 2013, 13:00 2

49. p211093 (Posts: 25; Member since: 12 Dec 2012)

for eg sg s4.some time gallare and call logs get very slow....and see its has octa core 2*4=8core..lol.....wp its now stable os

posted on 08 May 2013, 13:05

52. Pedro0x (Posts: 271; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)

Yes Samsung really fu.... up SGS4, it has nothing to do with HW, A15 cores are the most powerful HW you can put in mobiles today, it is about Samsung screwing up SW

posted on 09 May 2013, 03:01

85. p211093 (Posts: 25; Member since: 12 Dec 2012)

and frnd compare wp8 dual core..to sgs4 octa..perfomance r same..no use of octa core..no use of it..not a pc also not require octa core...samsung is in the air...not on land

posted on 08 May 2013, 13:19 2

53. StreetNerd (Posts: 836; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)

like the friggin Xperia Z, just by swiping trough the widget/icons screens u notice some mini lags.... friggin annoying

posted on 08 May 2013, 13:22

54. Pedro0x (Posts: 271; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)

I know I tested it in stores and it was really lagging. Put a ROM and a kernel on it and it will run way better.

posted on 08 May 2013, 13:31 1

56. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

O so next year when it will have Quadcore, you're gonna say you don't need 6 or 8 core.

Then in 2 years time stick with quadcore, and don't buy Nokias highend phones.

Wow so indenial, when the L800 came you all said you don't need good Adreno 225 or 1Gb Ram, and now u all enjoying it, such denial™

You no you want it, but tough, you can't have it. Wait another year®

I wonder, wondering what will Nokia Wp users will come up with there next excuse™

posted on 08 May 2013, 14:57 3

63. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1163; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)

well duh! thats their plan. why improve specs when not yet needed?

what in return will you get if they boosted their hardware specs?
just to add up pricetag? just to have similar specs with other competitor phones?

you think you need those powerful specs. but nokia knows what's best for you.

.stop complaining and shut up. go complain why android still stutters on QUADCORE. WP os will compete equally in hardware specs against them when its time. and in that time you will now realize that Nokia/WP is relevant

posted on 08 May 2013, 15:05 1

66. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1623; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)

I agree with your statement that WP8 definitely does not need quad-core in order to run smoothly (it's as smooth as butter right now!) , but I still wish that Microsoft would be lenient in the hardware they allow for a device running WP8. Instead of setting limits, they should be setting the minimum amount. So, for instance, Microsoft would say that a device that has WP8 should at LEAST have a dual-core S4 Snapdragon processor while allowing manufacturers to have anything at that or above if they wish to. That way they ensure that every device is capable of running the operating system smoothly (and that consumers are pleased with the performance of their devices) while also allowing manufacturers to compete with one another by offering a variety of handsets with a variety of hardware features. Those who want the higher specifications (whether you argue why that may be feasible or not) will have the choice of whether they want one or not.

Or, another idea, Microsoft could offer three different tiers of performance: low, mid, and high. I can already imagine if they were to do this in Q4 of this year and have the latest Snapdragon 800 processor on their high performance tier phones, the Snapdragon 600 on their mid-tier phones, and the S4 processor for their budget (or low-tier) phones.

These are just my thoughts.

posted on 08 May 2013, 15:30

67. abate (Posts: 43; Member since: 19 Dec 2012)

There is a one plot hiding..

If you set up a specific specifications for an OS (WP, iOS), the developers have to create programs with the specific specs in mind. So the end result will be the program will be running flawlessly, no matter what the device costs (either a high end device or low-end device).

If they open up, the market will be flooded with lots of devices with different specs, so it will end up lagging on low to mid-range devices.

For example,
game developer has to develop game with Adreno 225 in mind. Because they develop for Adereno 225, it will be far easy to develop and the game can be playable on any devices (If they didn't det a RAM limit).

If MS allowed too many soc like Snapdragon (Adreno 225, 320, 330), Tegra, etc., then the developer will have hard time developing a game. Moreover smooth game play can be achieved on some specific devices (probably high-end devices)

You may ask, can't MS allow both Adreno 225 and 320 and let the game developer develop games with only Adreno in mind? Of cource they can and probably they will in near future. But there is no logic of having a highend gpu, when the games are only developed for a low-end gpu. Right?

posted on 08 May 2013, 17:22

75. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1623; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)

No, I believe what would happen is they would create games with different graphical settings. Just like when you purchase a game for your PC, the graphics on said game have different settings: low, medium, high (and sometimes ultra). Prime example would be the games nVidia has for it's Tegra 3 and Tegra 4 processors. When they are demoing the games to everyone, they show how the game plays on a Tegra 3/4 device versus a non-Tegra device. The game still runs smoothly on the non-Tegra device, but there are extra graphical details on the Tegra device than there are on the non-Tegra device.

Also, I think it would be smart of Microsoft to make a high-tier phone to stand out from a mid to low tier device because they could market the device as "Xbox Mobile" device and allow it to have it's own special app with games that are built exclusively for the device's high-end hardware. Those that are really into gaming would pay for the device while those who feel they don't need a performance device can settle for the mid and low tier devices.

Also, game developers like Gameloft already design games with a set device in mind. For instance, N.O.V.A. 3 will not run on a WP8 device like the Lumia 620 but it would run on the Lumia 920. So, we can already see there is a distinction between low and mid-tier when it comes to gaming. I don't think you would cause that many problems if you add in one extra tier in there, especially if, as I said earlier, you make the device sound like an "Xbox Mobile" device. Microsoft has already considered making an Xbox phone.

posted on 08 May 2013, 20:51

81. abate (Posts: 43; Member since: 19 Dec 2012)

"Also, game developers like Gameloft already design games with a set device in mind. For instance, N.O.V.A. 3 will not run on a WP8 device like the Lumia 620 but it would run on the Lumia 920."

That's not the problem of the GPU. It's memory limitation, which is another chapter. :D

posted on 08 May 2013, 23:14

83. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1623; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)

Right I acknowledged that, but my point still holds true that the Windows Phone 8 experience is NOT the same across all Windows Phone 8 devices so there is no real point in not having a third tier. And like I pointed out with the Tegra 3/4 and non-Tegra phones, there is obviously going to be an advantage to having a better GPU while still offering the application to run on phones that may not offer the same graphical performance.

posted on 08 May 2013, 18:46 1

79. taikucing (unregistered)

what lag? I don't find any lags in my dual core phone.
It's the heavily skinned apps & crazy animation that makes the phone lag. WP8 & iPhone doesn't have crazy animation like android. Don't forget that WP8 has lower resolution that doesn't tax CPU power as much as android does.

posted on 08 May 2013, 11:32 2

39. Galen20K (Posts: 545; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)

I'm an Android user, but dont' be so harsh on Windows Phone. Although yes there are some area's lacking in it keeping it from being my daily driver, it's a very interesting and slick interface.

posted on 08 May 2013, 18:26

78. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

One area where Nokia COULD differentiate itself is in the camera function. It doesn't have a lock at the moment, but maybe in 2014. HTC One has the largest pixel size (2 microns) at the moment, but is presently limited to ~4 Mp. Both Nokia and HTC One have OIS, so there is essentially a tie of sorts. For whatever reason, Nokia hasn't released its 41+ Mp PureView sensor to WP, so there must be some reason.

Camera functionality is definitely an opportunity for Nokia, however. They just have to connect the dots.

posted on 08 May 2013, 13:00 2

50. phonemirer (Posts: 111; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)

l920 is 768p not 720p, its 332ppi in 4.5

posted on 08 May 2013, 15:32

68. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)

Idiots saying specs don't matter. Thats like saying a freaking athlon x2 with a gt 630 is as good as an i5 paired with a gtx 680/7970.

posted on 08 May 2013, 16:04 1

71. ecmedic4 (Posts: 420; Member since: 02 May 2013)

Specs matter, but excellent software optimization is equally important as well. But some ppl think that hardware specs are the only thing that matters and try to say device A is the best because it has better specs than device B, thats simply not fully true, excellent software optimization does make a big difference as well.

posted on 08 May 2013, 19:22

80. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)

No, it's like saying "ATI drivers suck" , which they do.

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