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Can someone explain why people don't trust Google?

0. phoneArena posted on 31 May 2013, 23:11

Yesterday, Android chief Sundar Pichai laid out his reasoning as to why people should trust Google with their data, and that spurred on an extremely entertaining discussion in the comment thread about Google and the privacy concerns around the company. The trouble is that throughout the debate, we never got a compelling argument as to why people don't trust Google...

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posted on 01 Jun 2013, 00:16 2

14. rudlie (Posts: 205; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)

I don't trust google's services anymore since google was guilty to by pass security setting for windows and mac and I don't see any good motives behind the by pass security action.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 00:21 13

15. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

They were getting +1 buttons to work. They're like Like buttons, but more Googly. This was addressed in the article, which you very obviously didn't bother to read.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 00:41 7

16. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Michael did a beautiful job explaining exactly what happened. He even explained how Google coded a patch to fix their own work around, submitted it to Apple, but Apple never applied it. You soul LCD read the article, it may change how you feel about what you think you know.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 10:49 3

82. Suo.Eno (Posts: 528; Member since: 17 Feb 2013)

Here's a clue buddy; MS' Windows and Apple's OS X + iOS? Those collects data as well and comparatively to Google that's even more heinous because it's being done at OS level AND we're paying proper retail license prices to be subjected to that. If this isn't anymore "evil" than Google then I don't know what is.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 00:49 7

17. Fallin (Posts: 70; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)

Great article Michael! I trust several companies with my information. I use Google, Yahoo, Hotmail, and yes, even Facebook. I have accounts for all. Yahoo is my main email account. Gmail is my main account for getting job offers. Hotmail is for the rest of my junk and I also use it for my technet account.

I use most of Google's services. They have my data and send me ads on youtube on what I like. They use my data to help improve my searches on items. All companies make mistakes, so no one is perfect, but they can learn and fix them. I trust Google and the other companies with my data and I'm very happy with what they provide me. If they misuse my information, i will just stop using them. You need to have a little faith in the companies that have your information.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 22:05

139. TA700 (Posts: 83; Member since: 29 Mar 2013)

I'll have no problem at all with Google if all they do is serve me ads as payment for their services. The issue is that Governments forcing Google to turn over the data. They may not be the root of the problem but if they limit what info is collected it helps alot.

The gov sure isn't interested in which genre of music, which brand of cars a person likes etc.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 00:53 13

18. tedkord (Posts: 14133; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

What you will find generally with those who rail against Google the most for these privacy issues is that they don't have an irrational fear of Google's data mining, they have an irrational hatred of Google. It's usually coupled with an immortal love for a competing company.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 01:26 3

20. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)

This is exactly the reason why. Apple and windows fan boys stick to two things. Lag and privacy issues as a reason that Google sucks. It is ingrained in them.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 06:17 1

46. papss (unregistered)

Yes yes tater the google fans don't say anything ridiculous at all... Thou are the holy pure group...

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 09:41 3

70. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

All fanboys say ridiculous things. I feel like I understand Google fanboys. I understand Apple fanboys. I'm just having trouble understanding the haters.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 12:50

96. papss (unregistered)

I'm not sure I get what you are saying here.. So you understand google fanboys and apple but mysteriously left out WP and BB? To me that says you are a fanboy of the formers and may not be open to understanding the later. I don't hate Google or Apple, hell I have or do own products from both, what I don't like is ANYONE collecting all of my data...why? It's as simple as me not feeling comfortable with them having it.. I'm pretty sure I have that right as an adult correct? It's my data..I'll gladly pay a fee for services to not have yet another possible big brother.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 13:53 3

107. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

No, all it says is that I was too lazy to list all of the various fanboys.

And, I would have to just toss back the why at you again. Why are you uncomfortable with those companies having your data?

I understand that people are uncomfortable with it, my wife is the same way. I'm just trying to understand why.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 03:00 4

28. SuperNexus (Posts: 127; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)

Well said,
Google success making competing companies fanboy jealous, thats the reason they hate Google, privacy is just an excuse to cover that.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 01:28

21. N-fanboy (Posts: 543; Member since: 12 Jan 2013)

What if you don't log in while using the search engine?

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 02:09 2

22. Gawain (Posts: 426; Member since: 15 Apr 2010)

Like I said yesterday, my issue isn't with Google's policies. They're very clear. My issue is that Google makes all the rules in the process. Data I place on Google Drive, content in my emails, is arguably not secure because it is scrubbed by Google, yet Googlen then takes no responsibility for protecting it (arguably). In the link at the end of the post, this guy was all-in with Google, Google Drive, the cloud, all of it. He was locked out and it took a week to get resolution only because a friend that worked at Google escalated the issue internally. It's not that I distrust Google, their methods are clear. Their motives are not so benign but I am okay with that. Larry Page's vision is a little too off the map for me personally. http://www.lastwordonnothing.com/2013/04/22/dumped-by-google/

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 09:49 3

71. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Some of the rules could be more transparent, but compared to all of the people that use Google services, that's the story of one guy.

And, I would also say, you really should have backups. I may use Gmail and Drive as my primary, but anything important gets a local backup, a Backupify backup, and a Dropbox backup.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 02:33 2

23. Gawain (Posts: 426; Member since: 15 Apr 2010)

I found the actual user's blog, turns out it is a she, and while this looks like an edge case, it reveals a lot about what is at work here:http://tienlon.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/more-on-my-breakup-with-google/

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 02:50 1

25. mydi.maus (unregistered)

cause everything is laid out plain simple and free,when you get more then it appears you more and much to do there on GOOGLE..you see it then you like it..

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 02:57 2

27. madpiyal (Posts: 108; Member since: 11 Feb 2013)

First tell us why it hurts so much to you when people does not trust Google? I hope its not your company or is it by some other means?

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 03:07 1

29. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)

This is not hurt, this is curious. Michael is curious to know that why people don't trust Google, because of what?

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 03:52 2

32. madpiyal (Posts: 108; Member since: 11 Feb 2013)

xperiaDROID I always follow your comments. But I also follow what Mr. Michel has to say about Google. In his previous writing he made it clear that he is one sided and that's why I raised this question. And later I have partially explained why we have doubts about Google in a post. If people can have doubts about Google why cant we doubt Mr. Michel's stand.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 09:56 2

72. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

As Xperia said, it's not hurt. I don't really care if you like Google or not, or if you use Google or not. I just like to understand every perspective I can in a case.

So far, no one who has come out saying they distrust Google has given a compelling reason why. Not trusting Google points to a suspicion that Google will do you wrong, but Google doing you wrong hurts the business, not helps.

I understand why people don't trust Facebook, because Facebook has a longer history of shady moves, and going over that edge of tricking users into sharing certain things, or making things public that people thought would be private. I don't see that with Google, so I'm having a harder time understanding. I'd like to know if I'm being blind.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 03:35

30. Leo_MC (Posts: 2690; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)

Long live adblockers!
Yes, I know, you don't make as much money as you could but, hey, that's the way life is: we - the consumers - need to protect ourselves from unwanted information.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 06:35

52. papss (unregistered)

I'd like ad blockers to work on this damn site. Every fing time I open a post a stupid Verizon ad pops up on my iPad..

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 09:58 3

73. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

I have my own issues with ad blockers now that I work in a medium that is 100% dependent on ad revenue. I have argued with the editors here to make the ads less intrusive, but I've also tried to persuade readers to not use ad blockers as much. My issue is that most people who use blockers only think either of themselves, or think that they are taking away from a giant like Google. Most don't consider the content creators, which I find quite annoying.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 03:45 2

31. madpiyal (Posts: 108; Member since: 11 Feb 2013)

Google CEO Eric Schmidt on online privacy "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. If you really need that kind of privacy, the reality is that search engines --including Google --do retain this information for some time and it's important, for example, that we are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act and it is possible that all that information could be made available to the authorities."

"If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place''- means we don't bother whatever you do(executives and managers want information to be private), we will take your information even it is in your private mail. In other words if you have to send private message you will have to use postal services, you cant do it in gmail.
''We are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act and it is possible that all that information could be made available to the authorities."- it means when war comes(its already going on in several countries) we will gladly trade your information to US or sell to whoever pays us most(off-course under the table).

South Korean police raided Google's Seoul office as part of an investigation into whether the search giant has been illegally collecting individuals' private location data through Android smartphones.A few hours later, California's Senate Judiciary Committee pushed forward the nation's first "Do Not Track" legislation which would empower Californians to prevent Google's complex advertising systems from tracking everywhere they visit on the Web.And you know what Google's response to Do Not Track bill was "unnecessary, unenforceable and unconstitutional."

Having your physical movements constantly tracked without your meaningful permission is an exceptionally dangerous privacy violation. Google secretly tracks and records Android users location about a thousand times a day in order to build a detailed profile of how and when to best influence you to do what Google or Google's advertisers want you to do. Not all of the Government spy agencies that Google works with, or law enforcement who could gain access to it have the best interest for us in their mind. Not only that It could be abused by another rogue Google employee or another hacker of Google's system.

I am a sane man and Schmidt is at the top of Google and Comments like those made by him provide a reason to think twice about using Google for any sensitive or confidential communications. And as Google plants cookies on PC's to expand the scope of personalized search it is privy to a great deal of information which could be used for stalking, blackmail, theft, fraud, kidnapping or arrest. So after all of this its clear that your private information or millions of others can be easily gained if you have the power or right hacking skill, In other words not safe.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 04:23 2

33. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.....well you have just wasted about 30mims of your life writing that.....the article a dress small of those points...idiot

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 04:53 2

37. madpiyal (Posts: 108; Member since: 11 Feb 2013)

well my man you will always be fooled if you go for written stuff like this for fooling people(that's why people don't get banking stuff). The world doesn't go by what's written in books, its driven by people behind it who wrote it purposely.

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 04:56

38. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

I also dusted out your room full of guns and survival gear. Should I wake your militia as well? Perhaps press your camoflauge BDUs?

posted on 01 Jun 2013, 10:05 2

75. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

First, why isn't your data on Google private? Because a machine scans it for certain illegal things?

Eric Schmidt has a long history of putting his foot in his mouth. I don't really care what he says, I care about what Google does. If no human looks at my data, that's fine by me.

As far as Google being subject to the Patriot act, Google continuously reports how many information requests it gets from the government, and how often those requests are fulfilled. The Post Office is just as susceptible to any government request, except at the Post Office, there are actual humans who scan your mail.

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