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Beautiful charts highlight the diversity and troubles of the Android ecosystem

0. phoneArena posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:39

Around here, we don't really go in for the term "fragmentation", because Apple has seen to it that the term only has negative connotations; and, while Android does have its share of issues, not all problems can be put under the single banner of "fragmentation". So, while we don't agree with OpenSignal's title for its survey data, we do love the beautiful charts the data has created showing the diversity of the Android ecosystem...

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posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:46 2

1. yousef8824 (Posts: 36; Member since: 28 Jul 2012)

its true galaxy y gt-s5360 sold 16 million devices

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 11:10 2

2. androidiningrat (Posts: 1; Member since: 30 Jul 2013)

The beauty of Unity in Diversity (Bhinneka Tunggal Ika)

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 13:56

23. Commentator (Posts: 3722; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)

And One from Many (E pluribus unum)


posted on 30 Jul 2013, 11:15 1

3. akki20892 (Posts: 3902; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)

Mother of Mobile OS


posted on 30 Jul 2013, 11:16

4. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

"Samsung is still the king of the castle and has been found to be the manufacturer behind 47.5% of all Android devices."

No wonder Samsung is on top.

Anyways, I really think to solve all this nonsense about "fragmentation" on Android (in terms of version distribution) is to allow the user to choose between vanilla Android and Android with OEM skins. Then, it will be up to the user to either be up to date with Android or be behind in updates but have benefits of added features from manufacturers. It might be confusing to more mainstream consumers, but I'm sure sales representatives will be able to explain it.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 11:18 5

5. maketas (Posts: 7; Member since: 30 Jul 2013)

So i am the one responsible for Android fragmentation for not purchasing a 300 dollars Nexus 4 instead of accepting offers on phones at Amazon and other retailers (subsidized or not) that can get me a better phone for a lower price point? Are you serious? That is the ultimate google fandroid comment.

The problem is for developers not for users? Although many apps have been developed with Android 2.3 in mind and makes many versions (2.3, 4.0, 4.1, Gmail app is an example), the extra effort made by the small developers to support a myriad of devices instead of focusing on the contents of their apps affects the users directly, suffering from that non-existant Android fragmentation. Not too uncommon nowadays for new apps only supporting Android 4.x.

And the users do get annoyed when you tell them that they can not install this or that app on their one year old smartphone because, well, Android works that way for manufacturers and carriers. Ok, all the common apps do work, but some people likes to install new apps from time to time, and many can not. I hope that the Android 5.0 gives a solution to that non-existant fragmentation soon.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 11:26 9

6. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

That's why I italicized the word "partially". If the software version on your device is really that important to you, then yes you are *partially* responsible for knowingly choosing a device that won't have the newest software.

You are obviously part of the vocal minority that I specifically mentioned, so remember: you are an outlier. You are not the "average" user. You care about things that most people never even consider. You have the burden of knowledge. Most people don't know or care about the various APKs that exist for various platform versions, all they care about is that they can get their Gmail (which they can).

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 12:21 3

12. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)

Michael H.:

1. Your twisted logic is the same as a woman who wear short skirts deserves to be raped as she is *partially* responsible.

2. Opinions ARE NOT facts. It's nice to read Michael H.'s VOCAL opinions, but where is his proof? In contrast, there is so much overwhelming proof against Michael H.'s assertions.

3. The AVERAGE user of an OS wants free updates -- why is that so hard to understand? We are not in the minority. The industry standard has always been free OS updates -- unfortunately, android OS doesn't follow the industry standard.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 13:03 5

14. kabhijeet.16 (Posts: 813; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)

ur comments make no sense.
1. Ur comment shows how pathetic u r with ur weird mentality.
2. u r asking proof, but not giving any to support ur own claim.
3. U say android doesnt give free updates. That is the most retarded argument.
Shut up

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 13:12 6

15. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Rather than trolling and attacking me. Why not try refuting my points with reasonable argument?

Sure, the average user is happy when they get a free update, but most don't know or care that they are missing out on an update.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 13:20 1

17. Commentator (Posts: 3722; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)

His logic that people are responsible for their own situation because they performed due diligence and decided on a different course of action anyways isn't flawed, it's common sense. For example, if I decide to buy cheeseburgers for every meal instead of something healthier, am I not at least PARTIALLY responsible if I gain weight and put myself at a higher risk of heart-attack? After all, I did the research and went through with my decision anyways. Sure, I might clamor for a healthier cheeseburger from the manufacturer, but to deny that I had any responsibility in the issue is insane. The only problem I have with Michael is that he feels he even needs to mention this. I would've taken it for granted that people are responsible for their own decisions.

Also, to equate this situation with rape is a bit far. (Granted, so may equating it with obesity and heart-failure, so you've got me there.)

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 13:28 1

19. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

You may take it for granted that people are responsible for their own actions, but many people would rather blame their problems on others than take that responsibility on themselves.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 13:33 1

20. Commentator (Posts: 3722; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)

I'll admit that I bitterly intended that part to come off sarcastically.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 17:26

28. quakan (Posts: 1398; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)

The part that sticks out to me is when you said, "After all, I did the research and went through with my decision anyways." Your average consumers does not research what to eat based on health benefits, they simply eat what they like and what tastes good. Recently, McDonalds stated that posting calories by each of their meals has had very little affect on what their customers chose to eat. They came to the conclusion that their customers continued to eat what they liked regardless of the health benefits or risks.

Michael's point was that the vocal minority (i.e. phone geeks) are partially to blame because they have the knowledge to know which phones are most likely to receive timely updates yet still chose the budget/older device option. Us phone geeks need to remember that we are not the average consumer so our views/wants/needs don't always match those of everyone else in the market.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 18:15

29. Commentator (Posts: 3722; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)

I wasn't saying that the average consumer knows all about the health-benefits of choosing one food over another, I was saying that if people that have done research, yet choose the unhealthy path anyways, have little reason to blame the provider.

I don't think the issue is with us tech-savvy folk choosing "budget/older devices." The issue is that they choose high-end flagships such as the S4, Note, and One which are produced by companies that have a history of taking their time with updates, at least compared to the Nexus series. Last year I purchased an Evo 4G LTE the day it was launched. At the time of its launch it was arguably the most advanced commercially-available smartphone on the planet. I purchased it, however, knowing full-well that I would probably always be at least one Android version behind. I made my bed, it's been very comfortable, and (while I certainly would be pleased to have the latest version of Android) I'm more than content to sleep in it.

posted on 31 Jul 2013, 14:46

37. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)

Oh internet, the only place where I can find people comparing phones operating systems to rape...


posted on 30 Jul 2013, 13:54

22. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

As one of that vocal minority, I accept that I could have gotten a fuller set of upgrades had I chosen a Galaxy Nexus (even the Verizonized version), but am nonetheless miffed to be stuck on 4.0.3. I guess even with HTC/Verizon's track record, I still expected a bit more effort. If Jellybean weren't such a major improvement in smoothness, it wouldn't bother me as much.

Your statement about knowingly buying a non-Nexus has been moot for the last year for half of Americans though. Anyone on Sprint or Verizon simply does not have that option. And as a Verizon user not in a major metro area, I am not willing to trade a solid network for the Nexus experience. We can only hope that the Moto X is close to stock and gets updated quickly. But given that extant Motorolae are still running 4.1.2, I'm not getting my hopes up.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 11:47 5

7. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)

There's several things wrong here.

1. Why would you mention Apple in an article about Android? You're usually complaining about trolling and yet you stir the pot with that line about Apple and fragmentation. While it does exist somewhat on iOS it's nowhere near as as bad. Most of the time, it's because of the developers and not Apple.

2. You do realize that only 15% of Android devices will see JB 4.2 and that's if you're lucky. Many haven't even updated to the previous version yet. How doesn't that qualify as fragmentation?

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 11:49 11

8. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

1) Apple is the reason why the word "fragmentation" is so prevalent.
2) OS distribution doesn't equal "fragmentation". I've written on this extensively, and the articles are linked above. All your questions are answered there.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 11:57 3

9. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)

1. Even if that was true, why would you mention it here where it'll only cause an argument?

2. Considering that os distribution can prevent the implementation of new and or current features I'd say it does. Why not just answer my question here since you already brought the issue up?

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 12:12

11. waterninja21 (Posts: 28; Member since: 03 May 2013)

Answer for your first question is They are the Media and that is what they do.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 13:27 1

18. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

1) Because not mentioning it would be just as hypocritical as Apple's claims that OS distribution alone solves all problems. And, because it relates to charts given in the actual data regarding screen sizes and development.

2) As Apple has proven, ubiquitous OS distribution doesn't always correlate to the implementation of new and current features.

As I've said in the article, the word "fragmentation" is essentially meaningless, because it tries to cover too many issues, and implies that the fix for all of these issues can happen in the OS itself. Yes, there are problems with OS distribution, which is more due to manufacturer support than the system itself.

Maybe JB 4.2 will only hit 15% as you say, but JB 4.2 is an incremental update, which is why it is still under the heading Jelly Bean. As of now, Jelly Bean as a whole is at almost 37% of the ecosystem and growing every month.

The problem with your argument is that you're trying to blame the train for the crash, when there are a lot of other factors involved.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 12:41

13. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)

"the platform distribution is not really a problem for users, but rather an issue for developers" - MH

And who benefits from these (app) developers????

That's right, the end-users. Duh!!

There is a saying that applies here: six of one half dozen of the other. It's the same problem, but MH doesn't get it and continues to blame Apple. The f-word got started because App developers were complaining about the mess android created, and Apple (namely Steve Jobs) picked up on it and ran with it on an earnings call.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 13:19 3

16. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Yes, developers were annoyed by the problems in Android early on, but those issues have largely been removed with subsequent updates to the developer tools (regardless of updates to actual devices). The tools allow an app to be written once and run on any devices that the developers choose, and offer a consistent experience across devices.

I blame Apple for getting everyone to bundle all Android problems under the same word, which implies that the only way to fix all of those problems is by changes made in the system itself, which is not the case. Some of the problems can be fixed by Google, some need to come from manufacturers, and some from developers. Using the word "fragmentation" reduces the problems to something that can't be discussed reasonably.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 14:07

24. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

why would yo go and spend time on an actual reply for trolls like Mxy and ardent? I mean you are not taking them seriously are you?

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 14:14 4

25. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

Michael can recognize they're trolls, yet still acknowledge that their trolling comes from an actual (in Mxy's case, usually misinformed) viewpoint. I give him credit for trying to change minds and not just dismissing them out of hand.

posted on 31 Jul 2013, 07:59 2

34. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Never respond with anger or annoyance, because that just feeds the troll. But, as you may notice, the troll's mortal enemy is calm, sound logic.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 12:07 2

10. james004 (Posts: 486; Member since: 15 May 2013)

This may sound like a bad idea but developers should only concentrate on latest mid tier and high end devices. So essentially 4.1 API and 4.5-5.5 inche and up screen size with 720p. That is as universal as it gets on android

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 13:36

21. grahaman27 (Posts: 361; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)

And yet it does not matter :) everything works just fine on all my devices.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 15:15

26. Loubielou (Posts: 555; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)

Symbian was so simple an easy to use,an very good on batterylife,so Google just copied this onto Android,but Android can be very annoying to run an can become very costly,as Google have missed out on Android the Function we All want the "Exit" Button,as using a function an then stopped using it,the function is still running so Drains you battery Quicker than Expected,i had the Nokia N8 an could get 2-3 days without charging,but with Android you might just get a days usage,an its very costly running your phone,using Advance Task Manager helps a little,so want more Applications on Android that does not drain the battery an help consumers out,Samsung have not thought about this on the S4,Come on Google just offer the Exit function on Android an it will become more succesful

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