Armchair quarterbacking Microsoft layoffs: money, culture, and farewell to Nokia

Now that we have had some time to digest Microsoft’s announcements to take the axe to a number of...
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1. XperiaFanZone

Posts: 2277; Member since: Sep 21, 2012

Nokia will very well stay alive. They aren't going anywhere.

12. WahyuWisnu

Posts: 1001; Member since: May 29, 2014

The real question is, when Microsoft gonna offload the nokia / microsoft mobile division, since it's competing with other WP manufacture. Or, when other manufacture gonna stop licensing WP because it can't compete with Microsoft/Nokia.

16. nokia12

Posts: 610; Member since: Nov 19, 2013

i think what microsoft is going to do is .. Offload the low end/mid range phones to their partners like htc, xolo , samsung , , micromax and only focus on high end they are forced to use this stratergy cause if they do anything else other than this they are doomed,,,

19. nokia12

Posts: 610; Member since: Nov 19, 2013

also this line " to his justifications to adopt Windows Phone were tough, distinct, and correct calls." i don't agree with it all and neither any rational, well informed tech person would even agree with .. there is more than enough reasons why was this was the worst decision and is evident in how the things have played out which was predicted by EVERY i Mean EVERY blog , pundit in 2011 itslef when the decision was taken ,,, and even after the results i don't understand how can anyone even for a second think it was the right decision from Nokia's perspective

20. WahyuWisnu

Posts: 1001; Member since: May 29, 2014

I agree with you. Nokia would be better if it wasn't lead by a clown. Nokia were about to introduce DUAL-CORE symbian phone, and Meego platorm, and it could choose Android instead of WP. And without the burning platform memo, nokia could milk the symbian on the transition to any platform (android or even WP). What elop did was to make sure symbian doesn't steal his WP spotlight.

21. WahyuWisnu

Posts: 1001; Member since: May 29, 2014

In a couple of months, micromax (along with spice and carbon) will be VERY HAPPY to sell US$100 android one device that gonna wipe the low end lumia series.

25. Finalflash

Posts: 4063; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

I don't think they are too excited about making the phones that won't make any real money while MS keeps the cash cows for themselves. Only an idiot would continue to compete against the makers of the OS themselves and likewise, we will probably see most of their partners distance themselves from the platform (if they haven't already).

2. cse.vicky unregistered

It is always remain to wonder what if Nokia went with Android ? [Given that Windows Phone was also not their own product, adopting Android is similar to adopting Windows Phone minus the huge money, but they got the Nokia brand and kicked the employees]

13. WahyuWisnu

Posts: 1001; Member since: May 29, 2014

Judging from Nokia X sales cannibalizing the Lumia 5xx & 6xx series. I think Nokia would be in better position.

3. 0xFFFF

Posts: 3806; Member since: Apr 16, 2014

Microsoft is what you get when a company has a monopoly for a long time. There's no smart people there, no passionate innovators, just greedy hipsters playing game of thrones for executive positions. For example, after spending years to establish a high standard of interaction quality -- hardware buttons, hardware camera shutter -- Microsoft is dumping this all into the ocean and making new WP models generic slabs. The government really needs to step in and break this modern day ATT up into a lot of little companies. It ultimately will be good for Microsoft, their shareholders, their customers, and the global tech market. The only people who would not benefit from a breakup are the stupid and lazy executives that currently run Microsoft.

5. Liveitup

Posts: 1798; Member since: Jan 07, 2014

Quit your trolling. The company that brought us Kinect, Flat UI, superb Surface 3 etc, have over 15 multi billion dollars businesses have no passion no innovation, you must have swallowed a crazy pill. Microsoft is leading, shares are growing faster than Google or Apple's at the moment. Go away troll, Microsoft changed the world of design language, the entire planet has adopted what MS first did, Metro aka Modern UI caught fire, MS is getting all its ducks in a row for an even better one experience, something that Google is playing catch up with its imitation One Android and Material design and iOS with its Innsbruck UI, both which by the way are clearly WP UI inspired.

23. 0xFFFF

Posts: 3806; Member since: Apr 16, 2014

"The company that brought us Kinect, Flat UI, superb Surface 3 etc," -- PrimeSense, an Israeli company, did the hard parts of making Kinect work. -- Flat UI was stolen from an outside company. -- Surface 3 is slower than Surface 2, often overheats, and is a jack of two trades master of none tweener device. And at the high-end, costs as much as a good notebook and a good tablet combined. You remind me of the former Iraqi Minister of Information. Perhaps you are some disciple of his? "On this occasion, I am not going to mention the number of the infidels who were killed and the number of destroyed vehicles. The operation continues" "We're giving them a real lesson today. Heavy doesn't accurately describe the level of casualties we have inflicted." "I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly." "Their infidels are committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Baghdad. Be assured, Baghdad is safe, protected." "NO", snapped Mr al-Sahaf, "We have retaken the airport. There are NO Americans there. I will take you there and show you. IN ONE HOUR!"

27. Finalflash

Posts: 4063; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

I get the feeling that most MS fans are just Xbox fans who grew up within the last 10-15 years. It is as if they really don't know that MS existed before that time and literally has done nothing substantial for the last 25 years. They have stagnated HARD and only did well in the 90s because they adopted the bully everyone out of their market approach. That same approach is now failing hard and will now lead to the company's eventual downfall because they literally have lost all ability and passion to make a compelling product in any category.

31. ihavenoname

Posts: 1693; Member since: Aug 18, 2013

Also @Liveitupunderarock Android One is a program of low-end handsets, not design.

39. Liveitup

Posts: 1798; Member since: Jan 07, 2014

You just fail to see the future and what is happening. Android is supposed to be free and open when it keeps butting heads with its OEM's you read about it quite often. Last one was with Samsung and Google butting heads over Android wear. I know what Android one is about kid. You just fail to see what is happening.

37. Liveitup

Posts: 1798; Member since: Jan 07, 2014

let me correct you on your inaccuracies. 1. Kinect builds on software technology developed internally by Rare, a subsidiary of Microsoft Game Studios owned by Microsoft, and on range camera technology by Israeli developer PrimeSense, which developed a system that can interpret specific gestures, making completely hands-free control of electronic devices possible by using an infrared projector and camera and a special microchip to track the movement of objects and individuals in three dimensions, it wasn't done entirely by primesense, you just lack sense by the way Google don't buy companies right?. 2. Flat UI was done by an outside comapny - please tell us the name of the outside company you silly Troll. Metro is the codename of a typography-based design language by Microsoft.[1] A key design principle is better focus on the content of applications, relying more on typography and less on graphics ("content before chrome"). Early examples of Metro principles can be found in Encarta 95 and MSN 2.0.The design language evolved in Windows Media Center and Zune and was formally introduced as "Metro" during the unveiling of Windows Phone 7. Under the name Microsoft design language, it has since been incorporated into several of the company's other products, including the Xbox 360 system software, Xbox One, Windows 8, Windows Phone, and Outlook.com as well as imitated by other like Google for their Material design. Surface pro 3 is seen as a ground breaking tablet leagues ahead of what is offered out their. https://www.yahoo.com/tech/if-you-had-to-be-a-tragic-mythological-figure-86496376264.html Writing nonsense at the end of your comment does not change the fact that you are incorrect in what you say overwhelmingly. 3.

40. 0xFFFF

Posts: 3806; Member since: Apr 16, 2014

"On this occasion, I am not going to mention the number of the Android users who were killed and the number of destroyed devices. The operation continues" "We're giving them a real lesson today. Heavy doesn't accurately describe the level of casualties we have inflicted." "I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the walls of Redmond. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly." "Their infidels are committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Redmond. Be assured, Redmond is safe, protected." "NO", snapped Mr al-Liveitupah, "We have retaken the mobile device market. There are NO Androids there. I will take you there and show you. IN ONE HOUR!" "We made them drink poison last night and Satya's soldiers and his great forces gave the Androids a lesson which will not be forgotten by history. Truly."

41. NokiaFTW

Posts: 2072; Member since: Oct 24, 2012

Yes, Microsoft has no innovative products. I mean look at Google, they created Android, the greatest OS on the planet. And their non gimmicky Glass, awesome product. And they also created Nest and other home automation products. Google also were the first to come up with a mail client for the masses and their very own office suite first. Google also created the best and most popular desktop OS first. They also came up with the modern/metro UI first on their mobile OS, and hence others are copying them. Google also created their very own video gaming console that is the best selling console in North America. Microsoft has bought all the products they currently offer, as opposed to Google, who have created all in house. Google > Microsoft.

43. Finalflash

Posts: 4063; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

Well, they did make Android the greatest OS on the planet, now the most popular OS by device in the world. MS made windows, which after 1992 has continued to be the worst OS on the market, but due to MS and their patents/muscle power has been the only choice (monopolists gonna monopolize). Their console is okay, the playstation consoles have largely been better, even in north america. MS still hasn't recovered their initial investment in consoles since the day they joined the race, Nintendo and Sony have fared far better in almost every regard. Trust me when I say this, the metro UI, isn't anything revolutionary so stop mentioning it like anyone actually cares. Flat UI design has been in web design for decades and it is largely used to make scaling easier. Metro is by far one of the ugliest flat UIs in history but the MS fanboys have made it some sort of last frontier of triumph for their platform of choice (what Apple fans have made Apple's profits for themselves). Email? They bought hotmail and before then a handful of people used outlook but got off that with web based email clients. MS changed hotmail to outlook like a year ago....so yea they bought that. Also, MS may not have bought everything they currently sell, but whatever they didn't buy, largely sucks. Please name one thing MS has actually done right in the last 2 decades (comparing to competitors) and I will believe that MS is Jesus reincarnate.

6. Liveitup

Posts: 1798; Member since: Jan 07, 2014

If anybody is a greedy monopoly is Google, please explain to us how after spending years to establish a high standard of interaction quality -- hardware buttons, hardware camera shutter -- Microsoft is dumping this all into the ocean and making new WP models generic slabs, give us the details and ill show you who is truly a greedy monopoly.

28. Finalflash

Posts: 4063; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

Right, Google, that one greedy monopoly that is giving away all their services for free while trying to upset the established douche bags in the telecoms, automobile and mobile industries (1 of which is done now, 2 to go). Don't point at MS, they literally have not been fighting monopoly/anti-trust legislation for decades now. No no, lets talk about that other company that started like 14 years ago and is now punching MS in their face.

38. Liveitup

Posts: 1798; Member since: Jan 07, 2014

You speak of MS in the 90's and early 2000;s everyone knows what you are saying if you look at Technology today Google is seen is being the evil monopoly.Google faces lawsuit over email scanning and student data. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/mar/19/google-lawsuit-email-scanning-student-data-apps-education Sued for being anti competitive with Android etc http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-01/google-sued-over-claims-android-device-accords-hurt-competition.html Google Sued in Europe-Privacy Test Case http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323623304579055271398748940 It goes on and on.

42. Finalflash

Posts: 4063; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

The first one is irrelevant because there is no company that does not do that. Indexing is important when you have 10k+ emails per person these days and they have no evidence of Google using it for "evil" reasons other than conjecture. The second lawsuit is a joke because it was started by MS and oracle and such. It is primarily there because MS and oracle have a problem with Android, that being that it displaces their products in the market. Finally, the last article has always been a problem and Google has tried to comply with what it can but search is always going to involve privacy concerns and there is little they can do other than shut down shop to stop it (at which point MS would love to fill their shoes).

14. WahyuWisnu

Posts: 1001; Member since: May 29, 2014

When Microsoft did the monopoly and almost got split, I think that the worse decision that the US. Govt ever did. They should split it!!! But right now, I don't think it's necessary to split microsoft anymore. Microsoft is not a monopoly anymore. microsoft has become a niche in computing device market. Their latest product is full of failure (WP, Windows 8). They already loosing the server market, and mobile market, and their dominance in PC/Notebook were challenged by Chromebook. Right now is very critical moment for Microsoft. If they don't act right, they might became the Blackberry of Seattle.

4. Settings

Posts: 2943; Member since: Jul 02, 2014

They are to begin a clean start. Fire those not talented and greedy basterds and hire someone new with excellent experience. This has got to be part of a big plan. The big UNIFICATION plan. It all comes down to execution, which I got big hopes for Satya Nadela. With his lead WP skyrocketed its development while keeping it balanced with its big desktop and laptop counterparts. The thing is I am most sad is the ditching of Series 40. Nokia is known for having superb quality phones into entry level market. I mean they can drop the Asha platform but not the basic phone which had made history in making excellent battery life.

15. WahyuWisnu

Posts: 1001; Member since: May 29, 2014

Microsoft really need to fired the baldy monkey (Balmer) a decade ago. I was surprised that Microsoft still keep Joe Belfiore & Steven Elop. This 2 clown should also be shown the door along with the baldy monkey.

29. Finalflash

Posts: 4063; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

Yea no, MS is doomed to fail and this move proves they have no real idea what the hell they are doing. Last I checked, people weren't buying Nokia phones because of their top of the line hardware and cameras, but because it was running WP OS. Then MS has the amazing idea of firing most of the engineers that made those products even partially worth buying and probably having their own local stooges take their place. So now we have MS idiots in charge of the not just the OS but the hardware as well (the same people that gave us the Surface tablets, those products with no real use because you know, everyone wants to do excel sheets on tablets).

44. Settings

Posts: 2943; Member since: Jul 02, 2014

What?! Lol'ed at Surface tabs being unusable. Ever held one dude?

46. 0xFFFF

Posts: 3806; Member since: Apr 16, 2014

We have the Surface tabs at work. They are essentially useless mostly because Windows apps either don't exist (for RT) or don't work well with touch (8.1). Now I'm not counting all the "Modern" apps. They work with touch, but are designed to be useless crap-apps for the most part.

7. WahyuWisnu

Posts: 1001; Member since: May 29, 2014

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