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Apple's win may be a good thing for Android

0. phoneArena posted on 25 Aug 2012, 16:41

Let's start out by facing a few facts: first, Apple's win over Samsung was big, but it is not spelling out doom for Android any more than it is likely to catapult Apple to being the smartphone leader again. Second, the ruling was much more a loss for Samsung...

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posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:44

60. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

I have called out BS patents a number of times (search for "patently" on PA). I have called out the USPTO about BS patents (http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-USPTO-Patentin​g-logical-conclusions-since-1790_id25234). I've called for the entire BS system to stop (http://www.phonearena.com/news/Why-the-Patent-Col​d-War-needs-to-end_id20914). And, if you missed it, I linked 3X to the EFF's page calling for total patent reform. You don't need to tell me about BS patents.

But the point stands that according to the law as it exists right now, Apple won fair and square, and it really wasn't that close. And, according to the law as it stands today, Apple's win doesn't really mean that much for the Android ecosystem at large.

So, what exactly are you disagreeing with?

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 23:34

35. skymitch89 (Posts: 1361; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)

I've got thoughts and comments but I'm getting tired of trying to type them out on a lot of these posts, so I'm going to stop commenting.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:45

61. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

I think you failed in that endeavor, what with typing this comment...

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 00:29 1

36. Spylake (Posts: 1; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)

The EFF is one way. I chose another. A Samsung Galaxy SIII for each member of the family. We've bought our last Apple product.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 01:36

38. GuiltyBystander (Posts: 199; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)


posted on 26 Aug 2012, 02:43

39. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)

Quote : "We certainly won't see this sort of lawsuit go against HTC, because the Sense UI bears no resemblance to iOS, and the same goes for MotoBlur, Sony's Timescape, or Google's stock Android UI".
- That's a very good point.. :)

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 09:39

45. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)

As long as they (Sony/HTC/Moto et al) all do not climb up on market share charts to the extent that the figures start PINCHING Apple's butt to Zoom the fall in sales of iDevice ... that's the time when apple will sue everyone. Itr's not just bUI. They will find some other stupid patented stuff to base their claim for few more billions for nothing.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 03:40 1

40. redmd (Posts: 1355; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)

I'd hope to find the tl;dr at the bottom in every article written by Michael.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 10:24

46. paulyyd (Posts: 338; Member since: 08 Jan 2011)


posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:47

62. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Those usually only pop up when I cross the 1200 word barrier. This piece came in under.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 04:21 1

41. jove39 (Posts: 1965; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

Die hard android fan here...don't mind apple's win...if it results in exit of Samsung's TWz! I've been running aokp on my SGS1 & SGS2 and love stock ICS experience.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 06:49 1

42. paynekiller (Posts: 152; Member since: 24 May 2010)

I'm no iPhone fan, I'd never get one. But even I will admit I've been watching how Samsungs have been looking very iPhoney since the Samsung Instinct and I don't think they were even being discrete about it, it was almost blatant. Touchwiz is the UI on android that I hate the most after motoblur, simply because it looks far too much like an iPhone and it disgusts me.
So, maybe now we can see better UI design from Samsung, even tho the latest TW on the SGS3 is much improved imo, they still need a change.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 10:33

47. rihel_95 (Posts: 301; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)


posted on 26 Aug 2012, 11:44 2

50. tmcr7 (Posts: 180; Member since: 02 Nov 2011)

That bounceback effect has been present since time immemorial in Microsoft Powerpoint animation options. Unfortunately, this jury is composed of Aunts and Grandpops who calls any other touch screen phone an iPhone.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:24

58. AndroidShiz (Posts: 154; Member since: 08 Nov 2011)

I don't exactly know what's going on with some of the fashion patents and all this other crazy stuff that some people are typing about on here, but although I absolutely loathe Apple now and everything they stand for, I do remember not liking the old school Galaxy S because it looked too much like an iPhone. At that time I did not know anything about Android but I did not buy that phone because it looked like that. I remember leaving iPhone because it looked like an iPhone. I sure as heck didn't want my Android looking like one. That is why I became a complete HTC fan at the time. After I bought an HTC phone I did see in the market that there were these apps called home replacement apps that I did not know about, so I started buying skins to even cover up the HTC Sense after awhile. Now that there is Jelly Bean there's no way I could go for another UI besides stock Android. B4 coming to this sane conclusion concerning Android UI, I did start buying Galaxy phones (Infuse/S2) because there was good skin covers to buy in the market that covered up the ugly TouchWiz. I hate TouchWiz/Blur etc as much as I hate Apple and I wish them ill will. If it were not for being able to download launchers like Nova Launcher, I'd never buy a Galaxy S+ phone. Although right now I have a Galaxy Nexus and I have no plans to ever buy anything but Nexus tablets/phones from here on out.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 02:20

67. AndroidShiz (Posts: 154; Member since: 08 Nov 2011)

Look- the main thing that we need to remember is that "Apple sucks" that's it, keep it simple, get the bumper sticker and a t-shirt.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 07:09

70. soelex (Posts: 1; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)

IRT " technical patents that could pose a problem", it isn't really, since the desired features can be reprogrammed via different implementation.

(a) The bounce-effect is already non-existence in newer Samsung phones. Replaced with blue highlight.

(b) Someone else commented that pinch-to-zoom can readily be replaced, i.e. sliders, +/- buttons, or if one is still inclined to use motion gestures, clockwise/counterclockwise.

(c) The double-tap zoom can also be changed to a button/icon or press-hold action.

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 04:08

71. Baldguy (Posts: 1; Member since: 29 Aug 2012)

Well close but not quite there, you guys need to read the extract below then jump over towww.groklaw.net for the full story

Jury in Apple v. Samsung Goofed, Damages Reduced -- Uh Oh. What's Wrong With this Picture? ~pj Updated 5Xs

Saturday, August 25 2012 @ 11:30 AM EDT

Late in the process yesterday at the Apple v. Samsung trial, when the parties and the judge were reviewing the jury verdict form, Samsung noticed that there were, indeed, inconsistencies in the jury's verdict form, a possibility Samsung anticipated [PDF]. Here's the jury's Amended Verdict Form [PDF], amended to fix the mistakes. Here's the original [PDF]. Here's the note [PDF] the jury sent to the judge when told to fix the inconsistencies. What are they, they asked? "Please let the jury know," they wrote in the only note ever sent in their deliberations, "of the inconsistencies we are supposed to deliberate on."
In two instances, results were crazily contradictory, and the judge had to have the jury go back and fix the goofs. As a result the damages award was reduced to $1,049,343,540, 1 down from $1,051,855,000. For just one example, the jury had said one device didn't infringe, but then they awarded Apple $2 million for inducement. In another they awarded a couple of hundred thousand for a device they'd ruled didn't infringe at all"

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