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Apple’s iPad Pro copied the Surface Pro, Microsoft’s exec says

0. phoneArena posted on 19 Jun 2017, 05:02

Is it possible that Apple decided to turn the iPad Pro into a computer, inspired by Microsoft's Surface products?

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posted on 19 Jun 2017, 05:28 2

5. gigicoaste (Posts: 165; Member since: 21 Feb 2016)


World best in used with IOS.. right? :)) For me is not productive since I cannot use my daily apps and tools on it.. so is far by being a world best. People are making claims just because they own a device or they like the brand. Wake up, nobody will award the consumer for such comments. We should encourage competition and invoation, better prices and alternatives will appear.. all this being a plus for end user. No wonder that companies are overpricing their products since are allowed to do so.

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 06:06

8. Dybala (Posts: 2; Member since: 19 Jun 2017)


I agree with the Microsoft Exec, I bought an 12.9 iPad pro but OS was still the same OS more suited for iPhone. I guess they listened to the customer and made iOS 11 for iPad this time. I think if it was apple's own idea then they would have given out a much better OS suited for iPad pro.

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 06:32 3

14. dnomadic (Posts: 101; Member since: 20 Feb 2015)


I find it funny that MS would complain of Copying when the ASUS Transformer was well ahead of anyone in this market. The Asus Transformer was the first Tablet that had an attachable keyboard way back in 2011 The concept was foreign to everyone else but now Asus has the entire industry taking the same approach to the workhorse tablet.

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 08:01 1

19. Tabby_Tiger (Posts: 282; Member since: 23 Jan 2017)


Both iPad Pro and Asus Transformer with keyboard accessory make a decent netbook.

While MS Surface with keyboard make a decent PC laptop.

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 08:20

20. Nopers (Posts: 484; Member since: 01 Jun 2015)


Ever used a Surface? I have the Surface Pro 4 and the fans kick in when I watch youtube, it's embarrassing. I used to take it in to uni but it just couldn't replace my laptop. It's a bad tablet and a bad laptop, the iPad is a good tablet but a bad laptop, with iOS 11 the iPad Pro seems to be aiming for a productivity tablet which is different to a laptop.

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 08:35 1

23. Crispin_Gatieza (Posts: 2115; Member since: 23 Jan 2014)


Sorry but HP had the first tablet with removable keyboard and it was in 2004. I own a TC1100 and it still runs Windows 7 relatively well.

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 10:43

34. izim1 (Posts: 1265; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


It was the tc1000 and it was in 2002 and was made by compaq before they were bought out by HP.

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 12:32

44. Crispin_Gatieza (Posts: 2115; Member since: 23 Jan 2014)


You're right, I almost forgot about that Transmeta Crusoe disaster. Thanks for reviving a suppressed memory.

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 10:36

33. izim1 (Posts: 1265; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


How old are you? I had a compaq tc1000 nearly a decade before the transformer, that had a detachable keyboard. Ran windows xp. Where did you even get that asus was first, from?

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 12:21

42. dnomadic (Posts: 101; Member since: 20 Feb 2015)


Modern tablet.... I didnt see a big kick in this market until the transformer...

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 13:08

45. izim1 (Posts: 1265; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


"Modern tablet".... seriously, how old are you? Youve got to be teens/early 20s, max, if a decade seems like a lifetime ago. If i were to have brought up the early 1990s compaq concerto with its detachable keyboard running windows 3.1 to the ipad or surface pro, then you might have had an argument, even though we would still be talking about the design of a tablet with a detachable keyboard. But to claim Asus started the trend of tablets with detachable keyboards when they had literally been around since 20years prior and Asus couldn't even make much of a profit off of it, is just ridiculously ignorant, to put it nicely. Correlation =/= Causation. You learn that in high school.

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 07:53

17. emvxl (Posts: 56; Member since: 29 Sep 2009)


Sure Microsoft, sure.

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 08:36 1

24. tedkord (Posts: 14229; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


They're right. In fact, Apple copied MS for the entire tablet concept, and Steve Jobs even admitted it.

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 08:39

25. obedchuni (Posts: 230; Member since: 16 Jun 2014)


Untill the apple released the ios11, Microsoft started accusing there were iPad pro before

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 08:57

27. mudcat626 (Posts: 156; Member since: 13 Jul 2016)


Lol, Apple patented the tablet with keypad back in 2010. Microsoft introduced Surface in 2012. Microsoft trying to rewrite history. Microsoft tried to copy the iPad, but couldn't do it, so they compare Surface with a laptop. With iOS 11 coming the iPad will be replacing more laptops. Now once again they are trying for mobile windows, like windows RT. When will Microsoft learn, if you are going to make a mobile OS, you really have to put resources in it. Microsoft S will die off shortly if history is any proof. Nice try Microsoft with FAKE NEWS.....

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 09:43

31. Crispin_Gatieza (Posts: 2115; Member since: 23 Jan 2014)


Another person with no regard for history except what happened in their own lifetime. Please refer to post #23 and the link below. The tablet in the first picture is the HP TC1100 I refer to on my previous post. Reality, not fake news.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tablet_PC

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 10:33

32. tedkord (Posts: 14229; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Life outside the RDF can be wonderful, too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053242/Steve-Jobs-iPad-idea-originated-dinner-Microsoft-employee-irritated-him.html

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 10:45 1

35. PrYmCHGOan (banned) (Posts: 335; Member since: 28 Sep 2016)


Aida90? How does a Surface not replace a laptop?

Let's see what the Surface and Laptops have in common.

1st - both run Windows.
2nd - Both use the same X86 hardware.
3rd - Both are configured with Intel i-Series processors, even the i7's.
4th - Both can use a keyboard and mouse
5th - and both can use a stylus and have a touch capable display.

Other than size, I see no difference in my Sp4 vs my HP Envy.

The only advantage a full laptop has over the Surface, is the ability to increase storage for a much less cost, or increase RAM if needed.

Now, have you considered where the Surface is better than a laptop?

Its smaller. Its lighter.

When I don't need a keyboard I can totally remove it and then put it back when I need it.

It comes with the pen, which doubles as a pointing/mouse device.

A laptop, is basicvally a desktop, shoved into a portable form factor. The Surface is a laptop shoved into an even more portable form factor.

You sound just like Apple attempting to discredit the Surface, when everything you guys claim about it is false.

Apple claimed its not good at being a laptop or a tablet?

Why? because it can't be a tablet because it doesn't have kiddish icons? It can't be a laptop because......?

Then Apple goes and shoves a keyboard in front of the iPad and say, this is a better computer than the Surface?

First off x86 apps are always gonna be better than any mobile app. Mobile apps are great for quick access and quick usage.

Even though the iPad can be used to create media, its doesn't even come close to what can be done on a Mac or Windows PC.

Again consider what you get for the cost of about $799.

The Surface gets you a desktop class CPU vs a smartphone based one.
The Surface comes with a pointing device that NEVER needs charging.
The Surface works with both a keyboard and a mouse and they don't physically have to be attached, but you can if you want too.

The Surface supports all file types and has an open file system. The iPad does not.

The Surface has a better display, higher resolution, and has active cooling which allows for near desktop GPU performance, which you will never get in a iPad.

The only way an iPad would even be equalto a Surface, woudl be to run OSX on it. Which they can and by 2020 I am pretty sure its gonna happen.

Because everything in tech that Apple has ever criticized, they later copied it.

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 11:42

40. Bankz (Posts: 2030; Member since: 08 Apr 2016)


Lol, techie killing it. You sir deserve a double thumbs up. Infact, take a like from me.

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 11:10

36. PrYmCHGOan (banned) (Posts: 335; Member since: 28 Sep 2016)


What's great about the Surface to start, is it can do everything the iPad do, but does it better.

Both give you access to mobile apps, which can be better than using similar in a web browser. Like for example, when you do online banking. Thee mobile apps are faster for simple things and both devices have a browser, if you need to login and do other things.

But the biggest advantages to the Surface is, you have access to the vast majority of desktop/laptop related accessories.

Microsoft Office is better on Windows, than it is on iOS.

Media creation tools are more powerful on Windows or OS X vs iOS

I mean compare Final Cut Pro X on IOS to the same app on OS X.

The only issues i have with the Surface is, the fans kick in for just the most mundane tasks, and once they come on, they just never shut off until you turn off the Surface.

I've already had MS replace it once, because the fans would kick on as soon as Windows loaded and would ever turn off and they are fairly loud.

It also gets hot. Way hotter than any mobile device I use.

The iPad can replace a laptop for people, who don't need desktop apps for anything. If all you want to do is view media, do simply doc editing and reading and web browsing, then a tablet like the iPad is ok and it should be priced as such.

But at $800 vs a Surface at $800, it is fair to say that since the iPad is not capable of doing what a laptop does, it also should not be priced like one.

posted on 19 Jun 2017, 16:19

47. L0n3n1nja (Posts: 564; Member since: 12 Jul 2016)


If the iPad Pro can replace your laptop, why does Apple still make the Mac Book?

Obviously it can't replace your laptop, it's become a much more useful device over the years, but it isn't a full fledged PC.

Compared to Surface, it's still a toy for media consumption.

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