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Apple's disappointments and successes with the iPhone 4S announcement

0. phoneArena posted on 05 Oct 2011, 08:56

Apple's event shows it has fallen into the Mac routine, where it may not be able to lead on all features or hardware, but will on focus on its core competencies, as well as unity, experience, and customer loyalty...

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posted on 05 Oct 2011, 10:57

157. NoFanBoyHere (unregistered)

Actually I dont care your views on Android, I like Android but Windows Phone with Mango is by far the most balanced OS out there and everyone should really start looking to switch once the new hardware WPs come out.

Most ANDROID issues are USER related seeing as they run their phones into the ground and they have no idea how to close their apps properly...Most people shouldnt buy Android as far as NORMAL people go, because it IS complicated, but thats because it does SO much more than iOS and gives you so many options.

iPhones are just over priced app launchers that cant even make phone calls properly and shatter when the wind blows.

I was just pointing out that where your views are on who has issues and why, are completely misplaced.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 10:36 2

144. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


posted on 05 Oct 2011, 11:41 1

162. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

is funny how the Apple non consumer call it a fail... who care you guys are not Apple consumers... I want to heart from people planning to buy the iphone and were dissapointed... like me I could care less about the Prime... and if it lags or comes out with problems like the SGSII ..I dont care,.,

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 11:50

165. lol@S2Lag (unregistered)

LOL @ the sgii lagging? What?! Ive sold like 20 in the last 2 days at AT&T and everyone has come back saying how amazing the phone is and how its the greatest device ever!

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 11:55

166. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Epic-4G-Touch-having-problems-with-reception-and-more_id22660 ...

just saying....

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 12:43

175. LOLOLOLOLOK (unregistered)

Yeah look at PA's SOLID Sources "Some Users have reported"...

To who? When people had issues with the iPhones Antenna PA said "listen to Jobs and hold your phone different, its not that bad".

If you havent noticed, this site is highly biased in MOST articles.

You can't quote "Some users" as a credible source. I am an ATT rep, can I be used as a solid source, stating that 80% of phone issues I deal with daily are from iPhones and their users?

Does that make that stat worthy of a PA thread?

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 13:45

198. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)

bugs get fixes, specs don't.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 13:52

200. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

specs can be upgraded.. bugs..well they wil be around ..still....

sup thumper... nice to see you around here...

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 14:08

203. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)

not on a specific device.

hello my friend. thanks, it's good to see you too. (:

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 14:23

206. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

Apple will be ok... trust me.. the iphone followers are ok... heck I will have a dual core.. more than I need thought.. but is nice to have.. plus I have the Apple logo on my phone.... that to me is comfort..

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 15:48

222. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)

i'm sure it will however after yesterday that Apple logo doesn't mean what it once did. think hard before you sign a two year contract on a device that's already behind the curb compared to devices available now that are about to get succeeded by even more powerful devices.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 16:39 1

226. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

not concerned about that. verizon has me for ever... I am concerned however that... next year I want the iphone 5.. so hmmmm but thanks for the advice

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 12:35

172. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

gallito, APPLE cares about non apple customers. How do you think they get new smartphone customers? By enticing people to try it. When you have site after site, person after person, negatively viewing the new i4s, that is going to create a lot of negative publicity. That is going to drive away possible customers. Apple cant GROW unless it attracts NEW customers. And concidering that last poll that showed like only 15-20% of people that wanted the i5 were willing to buy an i4s, apple should worry a little bit. It will still sell, but its not going to be a record breaker.

Apple has grown like wildfire not on the back of technology but on the back of great advertising and a huge amount of dedicated positive word of mouth. If 20 friends tell you the iphone is awesome, you are gonna wanna try it. If 20 friends tell you the new iphone blows, you are probably not going to try it. When you go in a store and sales reps try to convince you to try something else thats more "current" like a high end android phone, you are less likely to buy an iphone. Businesses NEED positive press. Apple is no exception. If it loses the faith of its consumers, which judging by the responces around the net from iphone fans, its going to lose a lot of business.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 13:30

191. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

true, thats how they got me...I hated Apple but Android piss me off went to Apple ..same thing happens to people that is mad at Apple ..they tried another OS..and few companies try to bring you back.. the Nokia N9 is also in my radar... after I am done with the iphone 4s.. sorry didnt read all the things you said... but got the keypoints... and we do agreed on that

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 13:04

182. roldefol (Posts: 4364; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

There's a difference between "not Apple consumers" and "Android consumers". I'm not currently a smartphone owner. I'm eligible for an upgrade this month. Apple could have possibly swayed me if they had offered a larger screen and LTE. They refused to adapt their development strategy with the times, so I will undoubtedly buy an Android phone this month. That's where the 4S is a fail... it failed to snag potential new customers like ME.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 13:44

197. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

I also wanted a 4 inch screen, but i will stil buy it. for the stability Apple offers.. I dont do much with my phone so Apple is perfect for me.... sorry Roldefol... it didnt work for you man..

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 13:53

201. roldefol (Posts: 4364; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

Sounds like you're blaming the consumer, not the product. ;)

I want a stable product too, but I also want a future-proof phone. I'm going to have to live with my choice for 20+ months, so LTE was essential. I knew Apple was a longshot, but they could've surprised me. Nope, same old Apple.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 14:34

211. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

well the product is what it is... right.. maybe once we demand more ..then we will get more...

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 17:24

231. roldefol (Posts: 4364; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

I think this is the big missed opportunity. Verizon is pushing smartphones like nothing else: limiting their selection of viable featurephones, offering early upgrades to dumbphone owners, $100 gift cards, etc. With all those incentives in place, it would have been a great time for the iPhone to leap back into pole position. But that's not their style. If a customer walks into a VZW store in November and asks for the fastest phone, will they be shown a Vigor, a Prime, or the iPhone 4S?

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 12:21

168. celtichazard (unregistered)

thisis why apple try to stop the other phonemakers like Htc and Samsgung trow patents sues
Apple at this time dont have the innovation, creativity and research development like samsung.

Bad for applea and good for the other guys micro, nokia, samsung, htc

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 12:22

170. yupyup (unregistered)

Everyone is talking about google and how they will be on top. Don't forget about windows 7.5. With the new update and new phones headed are way I think people will have a big wake up call.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 13:09

183. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

I don't see iphone fanboys ever flocking into any android articles when an android device gets launched like android fanboys flock into articles on an iphone launch, hahahahaha.

Android fanboys' reactions are so pathetic. Even more so with the launch of the ip4s. Which gives me the impression that android fanboys are worried and once again oozing with insecurity.

Yes, there were disappointments. But those disappointments were not caused by Apple. But by expectations from tech blogs and the media. Apple never promised a 4" display or an LTE phone. Expectations are normal. But the media and blog sites went overboard with their expectations and they entertained rumors too much, and that was the problem.

The ip4s is one fine phone, that will again outsell the competition. And yes, there are mostly negative comments on here. Negative comments coming from android fanboys who are not getting the ip4s anyway, hahahaha.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 13:14

186. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

right, because its only android guys in all those SGS2 and Nexus Prime articles.. lol

who is worried. if you knew how to read, you would see most everyone is LAUGHING at iOS5 and the i4s. Noone is "worried" about apple at this moment. If peter were here, he would tell u how great this news is, as now apple's downfall will be Bada's uprising. lol

Other than your hippocritical fanboy BS, i have noticed one thing. For the most part all of you and your ibot buddies have stopped with your "i4s/i5 will rulz teh worldz" crap. I guess even you crazed ibots can see that apple flopped on this phone.

Had it come out in june, it would have been semi relevant. Time has already passed it by. And now you get to wait till probably this time next year to see what apple will bring with the i5 while android is just about to bring out the quad cores and Windows is stepping up their game. Your starting out in last place and only falling farther behind.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 13:41

194. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@remix. Because we're not insecure like you android fanboys are. We like to know what's new with android, and that's it. We're not out here to attack android users by making their choice like you android fanboys attack us for making our choice.

Who's laughing? Android fanboys. The ip4s is not on sale yet. So as to why you guys are laughing, I really don't know why, lol. But haven't you guys been laughing over wrong assumptions and predictions in the past? Lol.

Remix. Unlike you, I will not claim that the ip4s will rule the sales charts until I actually see the sales figures. We're not dumb like android fanboys are already having a victory party when the ip4s has not even been released for sale yet. But I guess you android fanboys are already used to making wrong assumptions :) That's why you guys are shameless about making another wrong judgement :)

How can you say that time has already passed it? Do you see any quad core phones around? Do you see any phones with retina display around? Do you see any phone with a voice assistant as advanced as Siri? Also, the ip4s camera looks like a true winner. So I think you are making another wrong assumption. Nice try android fanboy :)

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 15:39

219. lolwut (unregistered)

did you say android fanboy? i think you said android fanboy.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 21:15

240. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

Yes, actually
LG uses the retina display AKA Nova display in other phones

The next gen that is about to be released into the wild, of samsung SA+ HD screens carry a higher resolution, better color, and a higher PPI than the retina display.

Quad cores are supposed to be dropping by november, mere days or weeks after the ip4s is going to go on sale.

Android phones voice assistance is more advanced than siri. it does more, and works with more apps. Siri's only advantage is that it can pick up key words and phrases for natural speech instead of androids current "say the exact phrase" on its voice navigation. We will find out in less than a week if that is going to be updated.

the iph4s camera looks nice but its on par with current android offerings that have been out for 6 months. ICS is supposed to be redesigning the camera software, so we will see if that holds true or not. if it does, the ip4s is behind there as well.

do you assume that the ip4s wont be a big seller? We all assume it will be. Its just not going to set sales records like the ip4 did. There was a huge uptick in iphone interest after the iOS4/iphone4 announcement last year. This is the first time in history that apple announced an iphone and its stock plummeted. You should take that into concideration. That means people were selling off their shares after they saw what was coming down the pipes.

so.. uhh... what assumption was wrong again?? lol quit being such a blind fanboy and actually do some research.

I would love to take a side bet that more often than not when the ip4s is placed next to a nexus prime IN STORE on each carrier, the nexus takes more sales.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 13:37

193. roldefol (Posts: 4364; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

I don't doubt that Android fans' reaction is fueled by schadenfreude. Apple has in fact been very successful with a solid product for the last 4 years. This is the first time Apple spectacularly failed to satisfy the market's expectations with a product intro. Is it mature of the other side to gloat? No, but for once there's substance behind the gloating.

Yes, the 4S will sell well, better than any single Android device. But it's not likely to win Apple many new fans outside of current Sprint customers.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 13:49 1

199. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@rolde. As I have said. The expectations on the next iphone was an overkill. Because of that, everyone started envisioning what the next iphone would be like based on those expectations. The biggest expectation was a redesign with a bigger screen. It was such a big expectation that people actually accepted it to be a fact (me included). And that caused the disappointments.

But now that the next iphone has finally been revealed. People will look at it more and see what it offers. Realization will then sink in that this is what the next iphone will be like. Then acceptance will follow. And then another realization will kick in that the ip4s is actually an awesome device :)

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 14:56

215. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

Reasonable post. I think this update to the iPhone is a nice step up from the group of iPhone users who had the iPhone 3 and 3GS, those that are due from a 2 year commitment. It will be a huge breathe of fresh air to those on Sprint who want a true option other than Android. Most tech sites I have visited just expected more bells and whistles. We will just have to wait and see it performs, and see how it catches fire one it goes on sale.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 13:32

192. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

wait a minute.. Apple is ruling the world.... still.... it just taking more time than planned... hmmmmm

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