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Apple's disappointments and successes with the iPhone 4S announcement

0. phoneArena posted on 05 Oct 2011, 08:56

Apple's event shows it has fallen into the Mac routine, where it may not be able to lead on all features or hardware, but will on focus on its core competencies, as well as unity, experience, and customer loyalty...

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posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:52 1

87. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)

most but not all of your comparisons are valid.
iPod integration into a phone is irrelevant as both phones are adequate mp3 players, the Android Market and the App Store have trade offs in selection and usability. i actually recommend to Phone Arena right now to do an in-depth comparison of the stores in light of the new iPhone announcement. when ICS comes to the Droid Bionic it may even the ground with that last iPhone pro.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:18

57. DeviantDroid (Posts: 51; Member since: 28 Apr 2011)

I agree that apple should have held off of a Verizon IPhone until summer and maybe then focus could have been cohesive enough to push out a new version for Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T in July or August that way there wouldn't be such a huge gap between the announcement of iOS5 and the new iPhone model...

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:25 1

63. denney (unregistered)

Good article, but I wish you would have commented on WP7 as a competitive candidate. Android has always had sketchy integration of applications to stock software. Apple has managed to scratch the surface. WP7's main focus from the get-go was integration, and they do it flawlessly, and further perfected it with mango. So far as the hardware is concerned, WP7 has surpassed both iOS and Android in optimization. My HTC HD7 has comparable browsing speeds to my mothers HTC Sensation 4G when she is running on 3G, which is practically all the time because of T-mobiles spotty HSPA+ coverage. Yeah. A WP7 fanboy. One had to show up here eventually.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 10:41

146. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

As much as I like WP7 as a platform, I can't really name it as a competitive candidate until it is actually more competitive in the market. WP7 is still finding its footing. I think it will make modest gains over the next couple years, but I don't really expect it to be a true contender until Windows 8.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 10:58

158. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

i think with this major slip up with the i4s, WP7 has a huuuuge opportunity to gain some market share if it goes after apple heavily when the mango phones come out. It hasnt had a better opportunity to steal business than this. If I were in the WP7 marketing team i would be thinking up 1000 funny ways to show WP7's strengths against i4s's weaknesses and going for blood.

nice to see ya try to bring some level headedness back into the conversation.. lol. we all went off the deep end yesterday.. lol. Im just happy to see that miz, taco, and gallito didnt commit iSuicide.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 11:19

160. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Yeah, that's why I'm not even bothering with the first 5 pages of comments. Still wishing PA would implement the collapsable comment threads...

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 14:24

207. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

Wish I could argue, but I feel you are completely right on WP. Starting to get that same feel from Microsoft concerning W8 even as Mango is rolling out successfully that I got from RIM concerning QNX (now BBX, I know) even as they give a token support to OS7. The- look how great these things coming out, BUT LOOK WHAT IS COMING NEXT!!!! There was a larger event to introduce Windows 8 than they have done combined to promote Windows 7.

But, I still think WP can get to a worldwide market share of 10% of smartphones with addition of Nokia, ZTE, and Fujitsu opening new markets and what seems like AT&T really getting on board here in the States. That will be a HUGE jump from less than 2% smartphone share WP7 claims right now, and maybe get to earn the respect of consumers and Michael Heller, both important goals......

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:26 2

65. Apple Conspiracy (unregistered)

Haven't you learn already that Apple's politics was allways based on taking away, not giving away? Restrictions and stinginess, and creating the cloud of mystique around everything - that's the Apple's ticket to success.
People don't like it, but they will be obsessed by it. It is the most profound manipulation ever, torture of masses based on unsatisfied cravings.

iPhone 4S is logical move for Apple - they needed 3 years just to change basic iPhone design, why would someone expect they will be as fast as others? They can afford it. While others release new models every minute, Apple is reluctant to make even the smallest change in design. It is all there for a reason - to keep people interested and hungry for all times. When you give them all of it, they will not be hungry anymore - but this way they are all slaves.

Apple has made a briliant move once again.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:37 2

75. cumoneveybody (unregistered)

well its every company's goal to make money...

but apple has been getting shady lately, both to the customers and competition.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:28 1

69. aaaawwwww (unregistered)

i just got home and was looking forward to hearing some good news about the Iphone 5. what a letdown. i wanna cry. i wanna die. i think i will........ switch to android that is. lookin @ the next nexus or the motorola HD or razr or whatever.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:44

82. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)

Michael I hate to be that guy but system wide dictation by siri is built in. A mix key will be next to the space bar.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 10:42

148. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Yeah, caught that mistake and fixed it. Sorry about that.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:49 1

85. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)

Now we understand why all the lawsuits : apple had nothing to show this year.
They have lost with Samsung their electronic supplier, so no amoled screen.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:53 1

88. ravi5695 (Posts: 75; Member since: 11 Feb 2011)

Apple is on its way to FAAALL...
IPHONE4S is just a piece of CRAP...

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:59 1

92. Apple Conspiracy (unregistered)

Actually, it's a brand new iPhone. With so much powerfull hardware (that everyone expected in iPhone 5 BTW), combined with iOS 5 technologies, iPhone 4S is under the hood a full-new generation of smartphone!

But... it looks the same, and that's why everyone is disappointed. That only proves that no one is actually caring about hardware and software, but the looks, because we want to be seen with new iPhone, we want others to know that we bought it when we walk on the street!


posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:03 2

94. cumoneveybody (unregistered)

dude apple doesnt even recognize it as a "full-new generation of smartphone!". its the 4S and its a marginal update. it is about 6 months late technology wise though.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:13 1

97. Apple Conspiracy (unregistered)

OK, you're right, It's only a new generation of iPhone, not smartphone. But exterior design aside, this is really a new iPhone. Almost everything crucial is upgraded inside, it's what we were expecting in "real" iPhone 5. The only crucial thing that was not upgraded is the screen size, but I think Apple is convinced that 3,5" is the ideal size or a phone, but people got spoiled by 4+ inchers in the last year...

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 09:59

133. AKm007 (Posts: 108; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)

Spoiled by 4+ inchers? You mean people realised that 4 inches are more useful than 3.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 10:41

147. roldefol (Posts: 4364; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

I think Apple missed the memo on that one. Two years ago they would argue that nobody wants/needs a 4"+ screen, but sales of EVOs and Droid Xs proved them wrong. Now they're way behind the smartphone trend.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:19

99. Milen (unregistered)

I think the biggest problem was that by now people expect Apple to move the mobile industry forward, not just to keep up. The 4S looks great, but it is by no means a revolution. Moreover, Apple positions its devices as simple and easy to use for "ordinary" people, not just tech maniacs. That means iPhone appeals to a lot of people who don't care about specs and just want the latest and greatest from Apple, because it's cool and has a certain "feel good" factor. Same design means most of those people lose their main reason for upgrade as they can just as well stick to their trusted iPhone 4.
As some said above, 2009 was different. Android competition, the success of iPad and MacBook Air and the huge financial resource Apple has built, all brought a whole new level of expectations from the company. Expectations which were not met. It's so hard to believe Apple can make a wrong move in the position it's now in, that I really start suspecting they are doing it on purpose. Giving the world the wrong impression they are losing momentum and lowering the expectations, so that they can blow everything up with the next all-new iPhone.
It's either that or Apple has made its first real mistake since 1997.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:43

102. Apple Conspiracy (unregistered)

Great post!

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:22

100. Shadowalker (unregistered)

hahahahahahha!!! why compare Android with iphone? the single core Nokia Windows phone gonna beat the lastest dual core Apple...comeon iguys....laugh!!!! hahahahahahaa

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:35

101. Cyd07 (Posts: 83; Member since: 03 Oct 2011)

Very good article. Thanks phonearena. I know the site since a few days, but i've even seen a few articles like these : take a wider look than just releasing news (that we find here, but elsewhere too), and analyse things. I especially think to the two parts of "Mobile competition".

I don't know if fanboys can understand and enjoy this kind of article, but I do. Really.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 10:43

149. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)


posted on 05 Oct 2011, 03:50

104. Eingild (Posts: 203; Member since: 19 Apr 2011)

The thing is maybe Apple already had the iPhone 5. They just decided not to release it together with the 4S because people will definitely be more interested with the iPhone 5. Thus, hurting 4S's sale. Good marketing strategy by Apple. Although they could have released the iPhone 4S as early as June. Maybe less people will be disappointed.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 04:18 1

105. SGS2 (unregistered)

For sure droid prime can beat iphone 4s with one eye close because my samsung galaxy s 2 already beat iphone 4s single handed. very funny now apple is behind samsung

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 04:22

106. SGS2 (unregistered)

Are u dreaming einglid? You wont see iphone5 soon..sory mate

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 05:41 2

107. Abde-morocc (unregistered)

I'm very disappointed about Apple, i mean how can a company like apple produce just one phone in a year that's ridiculous, and we were expecting something new, but apple is failed to bring new design, but they are the best about Operation system, look aat samsung and HTC they produce a lot of smart phones so you choose between them and if you are not satisfied about one you can wait just 2 or 3 months and get another one, but a year and 4 month they are still in the same design, damn

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 08:08 1

109. master0fursinz (Posts: 104; Member since: 26 Apr 2010)

yay they finaly made a 64gb flavor iphone 4, way to go apple modest updates still no 4g and yet you still have your loayal followers that go "its ok steve will rise from the ashes to bring out iphone 5 and 6", i was so hoping for a bigger screen and 4g but alas i got burned, hey my next phone will be quad core 3.2Ghz, 4.5" screen led 1080 x 720 pixels, 5g, bt 5.0, wifi b/g/n/x/y/z, 4GB DDR ram. with a 20 MP cam records at 2160P 60fps. but this just a modest bump up from my Bionic

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 08:16 1

110. Jeroen (unregistered)

Wow this is the most ridiculous article I've ever read on this site. The iphone 4s is supposed to be competetive for a year, yet it's hardware will probaly be outdated by february 2012. The LG optimus 2x was one of the first dual core smartphones it too has an 8 megapixel camera. Apple released a few wich compareable to a phone wich has been out for months. I do agree with them that stock android sucks, it's the OEM's and 3rd party launchers who add a lot of functionality. They make better camera apps, have better integration with social networking and they added something Google should have done quick settings in the notification bar. But that doesn't mean the 4S isn't a dissapointment, like I said it's compareable with current phones while it should be better. The iphone 4 was a great phone at it's time with is high resolution screen and overall good camera. Maybe we should go back to calling this site iphonearena.

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