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Apple's disappointments and successes with the iPhone 4S announcement

0. phoneArena posted on 05 Oct 2011, 08:56

Apple's event shows it has fallen into the Mac routine, where it may not be able to lead on all features or hardware, but will on focus on its core competencies, as well as unity, experience, and customer loyalty...

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posted on 05 Oct 2011, 14:19

205. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1639; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)

You maybe right since the resignation of Steve Jobs as CEO, the innovation has not been there. Pretty soon we are going to say: "The king is dead, long live the king." I will leave it to you all to guess the new king.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:05 6

2. great article (unregistered)

really good article Michael H. Really good read, thank you for the spending the effort in evaluating the launch..

My personal opinion is that this launch was just too bad compared to the previous launches.. It was delayed, uninteresting, and lacked that magical spark that everyone knows Steve Jobs was capable of pulling.

And it's not that the device is not good at all.. The iPhone 4S would definitely still make a hell out of a phone comparable to many top-end smartphones (I'm an android user, but I have no qualms giving credit where it's due) Only problem is really the hype around it made the result seemed utterly disappointing.. This phone is just another evolution, not a revolution...

oh wells, looking forward to android's event!

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:17 2

31. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

+n on the great article. Michael nailed it.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:09 5

4. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Really unbaised article which took an objective look at the lanch. I agree with every word.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:14 3

5. twenti7 (Posts: 152; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)

There's no problem with the only improements being the processor and camera. The problem is that besides the os, those are the only changes. In orer to stay relevant in the mobile industry Apple has to take risks again. HTC did that by putting a 4.3" screen on the EVO, and now not only is that the standard screen size for high-end phones, but that number is starting to grow. As far as recycling last-year's design, that was a big mistake. Not only is it a letdown for consumers who were waiting for something new, but it also shows that Apple is willing to take the lazy way out it's a new product, but only some of it is new; we put in some new features, but left all the same-old visials; we spent all our time suing other manufacturers and didn't have enough left over to make a comletely new product.
In a market where you need to adapt to survive, Apple has shown that it has forgoten how to adapt. Apple has a ton of work to do over the next year to avoid going the way of Nokia and RIM.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:45 2

16. iankellogg (Posts: 155; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

I will never buy an iPhone but I don't see why everyone is so upset over the 4S. It is 100% the same thing they did with the 3GS and I don't remember the outcry then. As for them spending their time suing others, lawyers do that, not engineers. Apple may have fell short on the features for iOS 5 I don't think they failed at the hardware level. the A5 in there is probably 800mhz and it still will preform nearly as well as the 1.2ghz exynos, as for GPU it has the best one on the market for the next few months.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:00 2

24. twenti7 (Posts: 152; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)

It was percectly fine for Apple to do it then. 2 years ago the iPhone essentially stood alone atop all other smartphones. But this is 2011, not 2009. The mobile market has changed tremendously in the past 2 years, and Apple has already lost a ton of market share.
I completley agree about the (internal) hardware not being a fail. The A5 is a fantastic processor, and iOS is light enough that even a lesser processor could still run it quickly. Performance wise it will difinitely give the GSII and Bionic a run for their money.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:24 2

34. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Its not about market share for apple its about profit.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:19 1

6. ninjastar (unregistered)

but... Siri is available in the txt app? I saw the whole event.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:25 1

7. gdubb03 (unregistered)

First off, great review of the event. Probably the best read ever for pa.com, keep up the good work Michael H.

twenti7- they did the same thing 2 yrs ago with the 3gs, the main reason here is that when they do drop that new big thing they are going to need millions of them to be ready to sell all over the globe. Many more than the 4gs's that they are going to sell in a week. The i5 will out sell all of its predecessors in the first few days. Thus a much higher demand. At the end of the day count on apple to have an ace up their sleeve for next yr. Greatness takes time and every 2yrs they bring it.

p.s. I hate apple!
Long live the Droids!

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:48 1

18. twenti7 (Posts: 152; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)

Yes, but 2 years ago the mobile landscape wasn't where it is now. The iPhone was arguably still the only phone of its kind (Android was only in its infant stages then). But in those 2 short years little baby Android has grown up and taken the majority market share with him. Not to mention other smaller os's such as Windows Phone and Bada which are likely to grow as well. Yes, as a sinle device this iPhone is gonna sell like crazy, but I don't see Apple seriously regaining market share anytime soon.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:28 1

8. hello (Posts: 25; Member since: 21 Jan 2011)

none of this would happen if they had just come out with an iPhone 5

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:29

9. Haditbe (unregistered)

Had it been called the iPhone 5 with minor cosmetic changes to the look of the phone will make it a better announcement.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:30

10. bossmt_2 (Posts: 457; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)

iPhone 4s is gonna be a solid phone, I think it's largely considered a disappointment mainly cause you're not seeing a giant leap forward. I'd liken it to the disappointment in the droid x2, Similar thing to iPhone where it wasn't a major upgrade, it was more of an update. I think the iPhone is a quality device, I just think that it's not gonna be enough of an upgrade for them to sell like the 4 did. But then again I am a rational consumer, not your average consumer. Where I think the fail will be is the pricing. I haven't heard it officially yet, but the retail on the 8 gig 4S is the same as the 16 gig 4. Which would lead me to believe their contract price will be the same.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:43 1

15. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Well a 16 gig 4s is the same as a 16 gig 4. And 8 gig 4 is half the price of a 16 gig 4s. I think the cheaper 4 and 3gs will sell well because of their competitive price. As for the 4s it will sell ok i think but people like me will wait for the 5.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:38 1

11. droidboy (unregistered)

i wonder will iphone 5 rumored for next year, will be a better model, better build & look compared to 4s that looks identical to 3gs & 4...i hate to say but apple & rim pretty much does the same with their models of phone, both phones, pretty much look the same, at least android have various models of devices available...

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:39 1

12. nilez (unregistered)

who need to buy the same iphone design with A5 processor for just gaming ??? these customers sure can buy iPad 2 !! what i mean is since i got my ipad 2 i stopped using my iphone 4 in gaming news reading browsing .. i just use iphone 4 in call or when my ipad is not with me ... so apple should gave us something new some thing like ipad 2 so ppl find its fair enough to buy it

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:51

19. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Well not everyone has an iPad and the iPhone is more portable so the increased gaming is a very ability of the new iPhone.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:52

21. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Well not everyone has an iPad and the iPhone is more portable so the increased gaming ability is a very nice feature of the new iPhone.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 09:13

121. turdfergussen (unregistered)

You can say that again.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:40

13. cornerofthemoon (Posts: 601; Member since: 20 Apr 2010)

iTurd. Apple should have know that in this major Android phone release du jour environment, an incremental upgrade just doesn't cut it anymore. No wonder they're trying to sue everybody and their brother if this is the best that they've got.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:41 5

14. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Good article. It's hard to swallow a lot of positive things about Apple in a single read, but I managed it because it's all true. Apple does do a good job with its hardware and software, and the user experience should be solid for the duration of the iPhone 4S's shelf life. In the interest of maintaining my integrity I must grant this article the Sniggly Seal of Approval. You rock, Michael. :)

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:47 2

17. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

This is why I think you are one of the most fair posters on PA. For the most part I agree with your assessment of the 4s on the other articles as well.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:37 1

73. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

I appreciate the feedback, biophone. You're awesome as well. :)

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:51 1

20. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Michael I do remember that they showed off you can text with Siri.

So there's two things. Fandroids would have bashed the phone regardless of what Apple came with. For reasonable people I think the dissappointment is in the delay of the phone. If Apple had come out with this phone in June no one would complain. I believe a lot of people including me expected something big because of the longer than normal delay. This phone is still top of the line specwise other than maybe LTE, but even then you have a faster option available on AT&T. Screen size is really a personal preference. Not everyone wants a monster 4.5 inch screen. Of course fandroids think everyone should want what they want and are always desperate for any android advantage.

iOS 5 is a big leap forward despite what fandroids claim. Between the udpates in June, iCloud and Siri assistant Apple now has a mature OS that can really accomplish almost anything you'd want. I think this phone will be a huge hit despite the initial dissapointment of the techies of the world.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:56 1

22. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Good points taco. I agree the delay was a disappointment considering they didn't do anything big but its still competitive spec wise for now. In a few months it won't be but for the time being its a very capable phone. I will reserve full judgement on the phone till i see what ice cream sandwich has to offer and will wait to see what its real world power is like.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:01 1

25. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

fandroids talk about quadcores, but that won't be until next year. It's not realistic to expect a quadcore from Apple this year. iPhone will have a camera that's top of the line, a super smooth OS and still has better resolution than smartphones on th market now. This phone will be competitive until next years model.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:09

26. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Well compared to the nexus prime which will have a super amoled screen and will be 720p along with a retina display with a superior exynos processor and lte connectivity along with the newest iteration of android ICS it is clearly superior spec wise. Design wise I think the iPhone has the edge along with ease of use and maybe even the camera because of the extra lens and image stabilization features. However as a whole I don't think it will compete well in the end of its self life.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 09:47

127. AKm007 (Posts: 108; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)

The iphone might have an amazing design. But regurgitating the same old design is a big mistake. For the average consumer, the fact that it looks the same as the iphone 4 will be the biggest issue. The picture of the nexus prime in the samsung video has made quite an impression on quite a few people. It looks like it could be a beautiful phone. The fact that it's tailored to run ice-cream sandwich will also mean no lag. Also, ice-cream sandwich is supposed to run on less powerful processors too. This means that we can expect on hell of a product on the 11th.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:26

67. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)

you realize next year is like a few months from now and Apple JUST announced a new iPhone. do you really think Apple can counter in time with something using an A6 other than maybe an iPad 3?

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