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Apple wins case against Samsung in the Netherlands

0. phoneArena posted on 24 Aug 2011, 10:04

Patent battles between Apple and Samsung are taking place on several arenas throughout the world, and a Dutch court in the city of The Hague is exactly one of them. Those who keep a close eye on things...

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posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:29

44. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Never said they couldnt use icons but the design of the icons and the way it is laid out with the 4 on the bottom is very simmilar.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:40 2

52. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Similar? Yes. So what? Apple doesn't own a patent on that! There are many many many products which are similar in the industry. I don't hear some TV manufacturer suing all others, because they use similar designs. And TV's ARE more similar than smartphones can ever be, design wise.

If Samsung had used something like this:


I would understand. But seriously? What, one is not allowed to have a smartphone with a square icon grid 4x5 on which the buttom row stays fixed, and the top 4x4 grid is divided by pages?

Apple doesn't own a patent on that - and as I said - if it did - it would have been ridiculous.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:42

55. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

No they cant read whateevr mans post he is correct.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 10:33 1

15. jura21 (Posts: 30; Member since: 20 Jun 2011)

Fayez....the fact is that only the lockscreen and gallery app needs to be changed...and samsung electronics's official twitter account just tweeted that they'll continue selling the phones with the firmware update included...they still have 2 months to update the firmware :)...and as for US launch, its unaffected....the court hearing is on october and samsung has a healthy 3-4 months to provide them updates, if they loose at all in US

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 10:33 8

16. ilia1986 (unregistered)

I think we should all be glad the Apple is only in the consumer electronics business. Imagine if it were in the food, drink, clothing, and broadcasting business... the horror.

Oh, wait - someone has already thought of that - and written a book on it. It's called "1984", and that person is known as George Orwell.

Apple = evil. No other way around it, folks. I am not even going to do my usual arguing with the iSheep idiots taco and Miz here.

I hope that Samsung wins - this, and the tablet case - and sends Apple deep down to bankruptcy. They deserve nothing less.

At least Microsoft didn't try to ban Firefox and Chrome when they emerged, and the majority of people used IE6. Afaik.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 16:16

126. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

ironically back in 1984 they released an ad on the Superbowl for the Mac which mocked PC as being like Big Brother in 1984, now in 2011 the roles have reversed.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 10:37 4

20. Moo (unregistered)

To believe iliaa1986 that Apple has turned out to be worse than Micro$oft is just sad sad sad.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 10:42 8

23. ilia1986 (unregistered)

You ever recall MS trying to ban OSX sales? Ever? Or Linux distribution? Or you know - claiming that Symbian or iOS looks a lot like Windows Mobile?

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 10:51 9

24. Moo (unregistered)

At least Gates is giving away his fortune to help others.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:00 7

27. ilia1986 (unregistered)

At least MS doesn't confine you into it's own ecosystem.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 15:46

119. LionStone (Posts: 843; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)

Yep, and when they asked SJ to join them he declined. Once I told my kids that, it was enough for them to be anti-i as well.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:08 4

32. ztedac (Posts: 69; Member since: 17 May 2010)

free ipad, iphone, ieverything for Netherland judge
donated by ijob and the unspeakable fruit

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:09 7

33. WHAT!!!!!!!! (unregistered)

Samsung didn't copy apple in terms of call quality

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 16:46

138. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

thank god!

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:09 1

34. middle (unregistered)

samsung should remove their middle home button design,it is ugly and copy iphone middle button style. just give us standart 4 capacitive button like moto,LG and HTC and nobody will say SGS II copying iphone design anymore. i hope apple dont win the competition using patent battle, it so coward.
keep up the good work samsung, i hope you will make your own signature design and i believe it will be great too

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:12 1

36. jura21 (Posts: 30; Member since: 20 Jun 2011)


posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:13 4

37. jura21 (Posts: 30; Member since: 20 Jun 2011)

touchwiz and iOS similarity thrown out coz Nokia 7710 had squared icons that needed tap to open feature :)...

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:15 5

38. jura21 (Posts: 30; Member since: 20 Jun 2011)


this too saved samsung :)

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 18:03

145. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

You're on a roll jura21..lol

The LG Prada and a phone called the Neonode saved them too. Probably Samsung's own digital photo frame too.

Basically.....all stuff BEFORE the iPhone and iPad. lol

But Samsung is the copycat...right.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:25

41. darth8ball (Posts: 520; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)

No way Adolph Jobs bribes, he blackmails. Why give up money when he can get the job done for free, pics of the judge in compromising position yes, bribery no

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:27 6

42. andro (unregistered)


the above update does in fact show that this ban has been over thrown but even the most blind isheep should now see how Greedy,jealous and a sore loser Apple really is.
The worst thing is Apple will be so frustrated and losing and falling behind that the mental ambush on isheep will be increased and they will end being conned into,i mean spending more money on apple so called upgraded products.

Its good to see Apple has become a daily laughing stock across the world though!

An APPLE can be rotten and have worms inside.......isheep will still eat it anyways!

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:30 4

45. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

I think the outcome was fair. After all that, the only thing infringed upon was the scrolling and to be perfectly honest, the first time I saw the TouchWiz app draw I thought "Ugh! That looks too much like iOS". And the fact that Samsung took Android's borderless icons and added those stupid squares behind them seemed to be a deliberate attempt to make it look like an iPhone. But this should be a very simple process to change, even for Samsung (We all know they haven't had the greatest history of updating their devices.) Either way, I will be getting the GS2 and my first download will be Launcher Pro. And no other oem uses that scrolling style, so this ruling won't have much weight in the US.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:39 2

50. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Great post i agree with you. Illea you listening.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:46 5

57. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Oi, I'm listening. And I do admit that the S1 app drawer looks a lot like iOS. Still, a Philips TV looks a lot like a Gruindig TV. No reason to demand the ban of either one here..

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:55 2

59. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Ii jusy want a fine no ban.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 12:12 2

65. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Really? Not the last time I heard. And besides nobody @ the TV business is doing that either. Or the toilet paper industry. Or the elevator industry. Or the hotdog industry.

Imagine if McDonalds sued other manufacturers for including ROUND hamburgers in their products.. or for using elongated chips.. or for including ketchup in their products!


posted on 24 Aug 2011, 13:51 2

86. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)

in the US, there is supposed to be a test before a patent is to be awarded: the patent cannot be for an improvement/idea that would be reasonably obvious to an individual familiar with the industry.
For example: in the toilet paper industry, you would not be awarded a patent for the idea to make toilet paper softer: it is obvious that softer would be an improvement. You could be awarded a patent for incorporating nanotechnology into toilet paper so that nanobots scrub your a$$ clean: not so obvious.

A patent for scrolling on a touch display is BS: its obvious as an interface. Now we are left arguing 2 legitimate legal and moral sides of this verdict, when the patent should not have been awarded in the first place.

The US patent system is not broken, but a lot more diligence needs to be performed prior to awards.

THe EU patent system on drawings seems crazy to me, but I am just now becoming familiar with it...

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 12:09 8

63. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Without a doubt. Asking to ban all things Samsung (Let's be real, they really wanna ban all things Android) was a bit much. All it does it create a hatred for Apple. At least it does for me.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 13:03 3

72. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Already there, Whatever. Ever since WWDC 2011.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:54

58. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

i am... and I agree. .hi whatever man.. nice to asee you around here.. and biophone.. well hi to you too

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