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Apple vows to quit mining Earth for materials - end to gem-iPhones?

0. phoneArena posted on 20 Apr 2017, 08:42

Did you know that there are up to 62 metals inside a smartphone? Earth is running out of resources and Apple is amongst the first to make real steps to sustainable production.

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posted on 20 Apr 2017, 08:50 2

1. notfair (Posts: 192; Member since: 30 Jan 2017)

The solution is products that are durable and repairable and if possible upgradeable, and also whenever possible use sustainable and recycled materials. The most environmentally friendly product is the one that never gets made, because the old one still works.
Unfortunately that wouldn't be good for Apple as a business (and it's definitely against their corporate culture), unless consumers demand that in masses, forcing them to change to serve the market.
On the other hand, Apple and other phone manufacturers are to blame because they push out a new phone every year with a huge advertising campaign to encourage you to upgrade.

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 08:57

4. Ray.S (Posts: 388; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)

Your scenario involves a slower technological progress, which I don't think would be good at all in the long run. The faster we can improve our technology, the better. The solution is to figure out how to avoid mining altogether without compromising product quality.

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 09:04 6

5. SaRPeR (Posts: 59; Member since: 02 Mar 2017)

I think Google's Project Ara was a good solution. Just changing the parts that need to be upgraded would keep the mining minimum although it wouldn't stop mining altogether.

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 09:05 2

6. notfair (Posts: 192; Member since: 30 Jan 2017)

Ray, are you sure that this will slow down the technological progress? I mean don't you see that all around us is a gold rush? sell sell sell sell .. it's chocking our society. We must consume, this is what we are, this is how they created us.

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 09:21

8. Ray.S (Posts: 388; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)

It sure will slow down progress, because there's a limit to how much you can upgrade a device, and a slower rate of change (in tech products) means slower innovation/progress. Shorter lifecycles generally mean faster evolution, though of course, the lifecycle should still be long enough to allow meaningful new things to be implemented. And then, who said one should purchase each and every generation of a product?

And the upgradable phone just fails to resolve the issue, as you'll still be buying upgrade components (components that have to be manufactured just the same way), so in effect you'll still be buying new products, only in pieces. Such scenario also means fragmentation (different companies making components for the same product, but with no unified principles), compatibility issues, and more complexity. The all-in-one products we have now are a much superior concept, it's just the technology of how they are build that needs to be revolutionized.

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 15:51

20. marorun (Posts: 5029; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)

Ray i disagree.

Desktop computer tech is increasing year after year ( GPU more than all others part )

So making an upgradable phone is the solution.

buying 1 soc upgrade would mean MUCH less material used unless you beleive a soc use as much material as a full phone?

As for the rest of what you said again i disagree completely PC proven its can work very well.
Even many good laptop now you can change ram, cpu and even gpu in some cases.

All in one product is a scam to sell more.

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 09:31 1

9. ibend (Posts: 6685; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)

we need more modern e-waste recycling plant (China have some, but still far from enough)

btw, smartphones is just one of many problems in this topic :-/
durable, upgradable smartphone won't really help it..
just look at those big electronics appliances, like TV, washing machine, refrigerator, microwave, server racks and lots more..

lets say someone keep his refrigerator for 10 years before getting new one, compare that e-waste size to 10 smartphones (if he get a new one every years)..
or compare it to 50 smartphones (assuming 5 persons share that refrigerators in his house), one refrigerator still much bigger..

btw, apple make their next macpro upgradeable.. (just like what normal PC always do)

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 09:37

11. mikehunta727 (Posts: 1212; Member since: 12 Sep 2014)

We can recycle rare earth minerals, it's just really energy intensive to do so and not exactly that efficient so it's not the best choice.

And yeah Apple's next Mac Pro is sounding pretty decent, with now Pascal supoort for Mac OS, thatd be cool to swap between Nvidia/AMD GPU's in it

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 08:54 1

2. ibend (Posts: 6685; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)

vow to quit...
but when?

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 08:55 3

3. drunkenjay (Posts: 1076; Member since: 11 Feb 2013)

good for apple. a step towards a positive direction.

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 09:18

7. nikhil23 (Posts: 184; Member since: 07 Dec 2016)

Good Initiative

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 09:36 1

10. RoboticEngi (Posts: 1066; Member since: 03 Dec 2014)

So what you get is an vegetable iPhone? Or water iPad? It's just PR bait, and as usual iphonearena took it.

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 10:47 1

12. Unordinary (unregistered)

You're an idiot.

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 11:35

15. RoboticEngi (Posts: 1066; Member since: 03 Dec 2014)

And so are you sheep.

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 13:56

19. Unordinary (unregistered)

From having faith in the most green-safe most environmentally friendly technology company in the entire world? Lmao. Keep being stupid.

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 18:34

21. NoToFanboys (Posts: 2991; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)

Not because of that, but because of being a heavily biased troll.
Lmao. Keep being stupid.

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 19:13

22. Unordinary (unregistered)

And you aren't? LMFAAOOOOOOO

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 21:23

24. NoToFanboys (Posts: 2991; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)

I ain't completely unbiased, no one is.
At least I'm not on your level of bias, you reek of butthurt when someone criticizes your beloved company LMFAO

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 11:36

16. omnitech (Posts: 902; Member since: 28 Sep 2016)

Lol he is spot on. The idiots are the people that actually think Apple has anyone's interest in mind. They are the greediest company ever bar none,

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 11:58

17. trojan_horse (Posts: 5032; Member since: 06 May 2016)

"They are the greediest company ever bar none,"

Nos that's funny.

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 11:09 1

13. p51d007 (Posts: 373; Member since: 24 Nov 2013)

Make the d*mn phones UPGRADEABLE! People throw these things away every couple to 4 years, they end up in a landfill, or some landfill in a 3rd world country.
The phones in the last couple years are FAST ENOUGH! Stop making faster and faster phones...it's NOT needed!

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 11:33 2

14. omnitech (Posts: 902; Member since: 28 Sep 2016)

Please, this project stops dead in its track if it affects their profit margins.

Only way Apple makes any traction on this if their isheep foot the bill for it. And since their phones keep getting more expensive every year without their consumers getting anything that would suggest the increase prices are going straight to Apples pockets and not the hardware. So the isheep just might foot the bill for this but I think even their isheep have a saturation point. So I don't see this initiative happening being successful.

It's really up to Foxconn and Samsung if they are willing to spend the $$$$ on Eco friendly factories. Samsung maybe, but foxxcon and pegatron won't.

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 13:16

18. Crispin_Gatieza (Posts: 2111; Member since: 23 Jan 2014)

What new hardware features will the iPhone 8 bring? If none, then the progress of technology hasn't been slowed one bit. Other than a shiny new paint job, what's Apple's reason for a new iPhone if it isn't the glutton for more money to add to the $250+ billion kitty?

I'm sorry Ray S. but your argument doesn't hold water. If Apple is serious about conservation then they need to produce to demand with their current offerings and wait until there's something truly new to ramp up resource culling. If Apple's really serious about conservation they could produce viable software to open other avenues for revenue. But that's not the fast buck they lust after, is it?

I'm in my 50s so I won't live to see the mess that's being seeded right now but if the younger generation doesn't acquaint itself with the works of the 60s and 70s crowds who were the pioneers in environmental issues, good luck. The water in Flint tastes pretty good compared to what's going to happen just 50 years from now.

posted on 20 Apr 2017, 19:56

23. Ninetysix (Posts: 2689; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


posted on 23 Apr 2017, 20:02

25. HanoiBoi (Posts: 39; Member since: 05 May 2016)

Functional illiterate

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