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Apple v. Samsung begins today, but don't expect Perry Mason-like court case

0. phoneArena posted on 30 Jul 2012, 11:24

With the long awaited Apple v. Samsung trial beginning today, don't expect this to be like Perry Mason where a piece of evidence is cleverly admitted into the case forcing a last second admission from a courtroom spectator...

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posted on 30 Jul 2012, 18:09 3

69. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

Samsung's F700 had one single home button and round corners either right when the iPhone released or a few months before..

You mean to tell me they had to keep designing phones exactly like the F700 because Apple released the iPhone?


If Apple really wants to sue Samsung for copying, why not start with the F700?

Thank GOD Apple isnt in the HDTV industry.....or the game console industry, or the car industry...or [insert industry here]

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 19:09 1

79. darkkjedii (Posts: 25090; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

Even down to there chargers and packages.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 13:23 3

30. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

The black rectangle argument while funny is such an oversimplification and for those who have a good eye for design can see right through. Samsung is trying to capture apple's brand identity and replicate that in there products. Sometimes to an insane degree. Shown by this (thanks taco) :http://samsungcopiesapple.tumblr.com/
Look every other company managed to make a unique black rectangle. Look at HTC and MOTOS phones. The razr, x, rezoned, one x and so on for example. In my opinion the SGS3 is fine too but prior to that samsung did copy apple and there tablets still do. I don't agree with apple lawsuits as they are overblowing the whole thing but to claim that there is no validity is incredibly close minded. Go ahead now everyone and call me a fanboy or whatever I don't care. Everyone he didn't call apple the devil he must be a fanboy!!!

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 13:28 4

32. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Exactly, Motorola and HTC, Sony, etc have made functional phones without looking just like iPhones. Why does Samsung have to copy Apples proprietary chargers for example? Why copy the packaging and their stores?

I can see not agreeing with Apple's strategy of banning products, but it's very obvious Samsung has a strategy of making money off Apple's designs.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 13:39 2

35. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Exactly if all these other companies are making unique phones why wasn't samsung. They all have very unique brand identities however samsung always has seemed to been inspired by apple and has flat out copied them exactly in the past. The charger and packaging are great examples. Maybe we might disagree on what should be the outcome as I believe banning them is going to far but they are guilty!

I think the reason why samsung is doing this is they want the loyalty of the users like apple has and wan't apple users to switch over so the familiar design would entice them and they didn't expect apple to stick up for themselves. Lets face it they were jealous decided to copy apple and made a killer phone otherwise. The formula worked but now that they realized apple would sue them they backed off with the SGS3. Which I think they have just come to realize it wasn't about stealing apple's brand identity it was really about what the phone could do that made that made phone sell so well. Sure S-voice was clearly meant to piss off apple but hey at least the actual design was fine. I don't think google voice copies siri thats unique. Samsung clearly tried to knock off the UI and name. As they did with touchwiz 1 and 2 and to a much lesser extent 3.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 16:44 1

67. SonyFTW2020 (Posts: 311; Member since: 03 May 2012)


posted on 30 Jul 2012, 13:55 3

37. tedkord (Posts: 14229; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

My last two Samsung phones had microusb chargers, which is an industry standard.

The first was an Omnia2, a WinMo phone from 3 or so years ago. And now the Galaxy S3.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 13:58 1

39. onilink67 (Posts: 8; Member since: 18 Jun 2012)

Its understandable to think that the charger was copied as they are both 30 pin thin charges where in fact Samsung uses an open standarded PDMI connector much like the Dell Streak (different pinout) and a few other devices out on the market. On tablets it makes sense to have more pins for more functionality but in the end PDMI connectors have been out for years long before Samsung used them.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 14:58

51. structureman116 (Posts: 141; Member since: 14 Sep 2010)

I think there is no validity whatsoever to claim a shape and a color as solely your own design, and feel you have the right to sue over it. Here is a phone that was released long before the original design of the iphone...it is predominately black and is rectangular with a touch screen. The only thing missing is the rounded corners and it has an external antenna! http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-SCH-i730_id1032 For Apple to be able to sue over a basic shape and color being used that have been around for all of mankinds existence is ridiculous. This crap shouldn't even make it to trial. Lets not forget also than Apple thinks their "design" is worth $24 per unit, yet the technology that belongs to Samsung that Apple uses (without which an iphone would be an ipaperweight) is worth less than half a cent per unit? Courts need to stop entertaining Apples BS lawsuits and save us taxpaters some damn money!

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 18:14 1

70. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

Explain then why did Apple try to sue Motorola ....for the XOOM....for hardware?

Where does it look like an iPad, the front? So.....Apple is trying to patent black borders, borders widths....

Touchwiz does look very Apple-ish. But when Samsung has a phone that resembles the iPhone from years ago....how come they cant be seen as building off of that? They cant have a smaller home button because Apple called dibs?

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 11:54 7

5. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)

Apple will win
Samsung will appeal
Hate against apple will rise
More people will move from iphone to galaxy
Apple will launch more lawsuits

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 12:29 7

11. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)

This. I had a patient in my office a few days ago telling me about his new phone. I asked what it was and this is how the conversation went:

Patient: "Yeah, I got this new... I don't know... One something?"
Me: "Oh, the One X! That's a sweet phone."
Patient: "Yeah! It's the one Apple was trying to ban!!!"

Yes. The fact that Apple was trying to stop the phone from being sold actually sold this guy on the phone.

Thanks Apple! Keep up the good work you f**king idiots!

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 12:39 2

19. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Didn't even know the name of the phone and you attack Apple users for being uneducated.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 14:08 6

41. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1743; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

Like people calling it the iPhone 4G?

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 14:37 2

46. D.Aceveda (Posts: 396; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)

You're an idiot.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 15:21 7

55. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


I never said Apple users were uneducated, this was also a 65 year old man we are talking about.

Regardless, you are (as always) an idiot.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 22:11

80. Sackboy117 (Posts: 178; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

someone assumed a bit too early :-)

posted on 31 Jul 2012, 09:06

82. thedarkside (Posts: 654; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)

taco you prove to everyone that iphone users arent educated.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 15:30

60. Tre-Nitty (Posts: 470; Member since: 16 Nov 2010)

You lying!

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 11:58 5

6. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)

'The sands of justice move much more slowly than how the courtroom process is pictured on television'.

I think it's safe to say that 'the sands of justice' move more like an iPhone on a 3G bandwidth.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 12:27

10. Hammerfest (Posts: 384; Member since: 12 May 2012)

Oh it will move fast, Apple has already paid off its former designer, Judge Koh, and very shortly, any/all of the jury...

I expect half or more of the jury to be iPhone users, and seeing as only 3 iPhone users I know have even the slightest knowledge beyond what they get spoon fed to them by Apple employee's or other MAC users who are ignorant of CHOICES beyond their Walled Garden (TM)... well at least we know whos willing to buy whomever they have to, in order to win that is...

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 12:29

12. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

More like an iPhone on the EDGE network. Regardless of the trial outcome, there will be an appeal. This ain't over by a long shot.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 12:23 1

8. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

I think Samsung is in a lot of trouble. It's already plain to see that Samsung copied Apple. Now with the evidence that's leaked out over the past few days it's looking even worse. Along with that Samsung has already been reprimanded for destroying evidence.

This could turn into an overwhelming defeat for Samsung.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 12:30 3

13. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)

Honestly, who the hell cares.

Apple is digging their own grave with this lawsuit nonsense. Anyone who isn't totally blind can see that.

Bring it on!

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 12:40 1

21. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

How is that? Apple is winning lawsuits against android and Samsung in particular.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 12:59 2

26. tedkord (Posts: 14229; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

And losing them, too. And being ridiculed by the presiding judge who offers them to pay on their website and in newspapers that Samsung did not copy them.

Apple has been batting about even on the lawsuits.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 18:17 2

71. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

Thank you...

Of course....Taco doesnt see or must be hibernating whenever Apple is on the wrong side of a lawsuit...

And Apple has even lost some that didnt have anything to do with Android. I guess those dont count....

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 15:24 3

56. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)

How is that? Because the average consumer is not sucking Steve Jobs d**k every day and doesn't give two s**ts about Samsung "copying" Apple.

Anyone who actually likes their iPhone shouldn't care AT ALL who copies it. Why does it matter?

How does Samsung "copying" (not saying they actually do) Apple have ANY EFFECT WHATSOEVER on you as the user? NONE!

The only people who care about them winning lawsuits are dumb f**ks like you who can't think for themselves.

The reality is even if Apple won and banned every single Samsung device ever made then we would all just buy Android phones from someone else.

But... I don't know why i'm even bothering responding to you because you're too f**king stupid to understand logic anyways.

Go rub your iPhone.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 15:43 1

63. willard12 (unregistered)

Apple's UK website will disagree with you in a few weeks.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 12:33 1

16. Aeires (unregistered)

This could turn into an overwhelming defeat for Apple.

See how easy it is to take sides.

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