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Apple granted patents for mobile hydrogen battery systems

0. phoneArena posted on 26 Dec 2011, 22:18

Unfortunately, given the state of the US patent system, there's no guarantee that we'll see this technology any time soon but Apple has been granted patents for how to design a mobile device powered by hydrogen fuel cells...

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posted on 26 Dec 2011, 22:21 7

1. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)

First. This looks like a really novel and innovative idea.

posted on 26 Dec 2011, 22:29 9

3. hepresearch (unregistered)

Agreed. And after a quick glance it appears, in the schematic, to rely on an interchangeable fuel cartridge of some sort... or perhaps some sort of electrolysis procedure for using a wall charger to restock the fuel cartridge after a long period of use? And, by the way, congratulations on being first...

My only concern... given the use of patent litigation, will Apple be able to prevent all other companies in all other industries from developing similar products and tech for their own "unique" products? Like, for example, in the automotive industry? Just sayin'...

posted on 26 Dec 2011, 22:40

5. SGSII (Posts: 53; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)

I have no clue what you just said...

posted on 26 Dec 2011, 22:44 2

7. ILikeBubbles (Posts: 525; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

exactly my worry. i wouldn't be so against apple if it didn't seem that they wanted to buy up all the patents so the technology couldn't be furthered...

hypothetically... if someone else figures how to do this efficiently and can revolutionize the industry but that someone wasn't part of apple that means that it never gets released right? because even though apple would have the pattent for the official technology isn't there something about psychological property? i totally forgot the term but i hope you know what i'm talking about.

would those two battle it out? i mean obviously apple will win with (what might as well be) limitless resources...

posted on 26 Dec 2011, 22:55

10. ILikeBubbles (Posts: 525; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

intellectual property?

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 00:33

13. hepresearch (unregistered)

Lately, it seems as if patents and "intellectual property" have become more and more interchangeable in their definitions when used in the industry. Effectively, it seems as though the patent holders are now able to control or limit the development of IP related to their patents across the board...

I am less worried about Apple slowing tech development, and more worried about their ability to control all tech development as a cartel-styled model of IP and economics. If you control a technology, then you have the power to deny access to it in order to bring a market to its knees... you can then introduce your product at a much higher profit margin, and in lower supply (hence, less material and labor costs), if you wanted to. This would, inevitably, make your product more "exclusive", and reduce availability to the general populace... in other words, you can charge whatever you want for it, and the people who can afford it will step up and fork out, while those who cannot afford your price will necessarily wallow in their inability to obtain your product.

Thus, the "Have's" will love Apple and it's exclusivity. By virtue of Apple's ability to rake in profit and produce the only decent competing tech products, Apple will be initiated into the "Have's" club as well. The "Have not's", on the other hand, will no longer be able to afford the innovative smartphone technologies of the future, and will remain a growing class of people who are trampled upon by the ever-shrinking class of people carrying the iPhone's and iPad's of the future.

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 02:24 3

17. tacohunter (Posts: 408; Member since: 06 Nov 2011)

Hepresearch we all know your theories about apple slowing this and controlling that. And they may be right, dunno. Only time will tell.

But this article is just a patent. It doesn't mean that apple is the only one that may use a hydrogen battery. But they're the first one who got a clear idea for doing this into mobile devices.

It's just a patent and you use that to reinforce your theories. That just makes me doubt about them. And there are still to many things unanswered about it.

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 22:28

29. hepresearch (unregistered)

You have no idea how much I would LOVE to be wrong... and indeed, only time will tell.

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 02:32 3

18. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)

> If you control a technology...

You can't control technology unless you lived in the stone ages before the age of reason and logic. Technology marches to its own drummer, and the advancements in technology easy dwarf the numerous inventions of any one company.

The greatest thing about technology is the rise of substitute technology or alternatives. To believe the possession of one technology is the end-all or trumps all other technology, is simply foolishness.

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 22:38

30. hepresearch (unregistered)

I have seen enough happen to know a few things about general trends in science and technology... one thing I can tell you for certain is that, despite living in "the age of reason and logic", science and technology are both being redirected by governments and mega-corporations into ever more controlled and tightly guarded "guilds" of specialists and their trade secrets... and it is becoming more and more like the days of feudalism.

This has already happened with many scientific fields, and it is happening now with the technology sector... even now I am watching it unfold, with my own eyes, as it is slowly and carefully orchestrated over the course of just a couple decades.

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 18:44 1

28. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)

Very true and possible but where are all the other companies with their innovations. Sometimes I feel like many companies aren't very innovative at all but only try to steal and add-on to someone else's inventions.

Take gyroscope for example. Two days after Apple announced the feature, Motorola announced that they were going to incorporate gyroscope in their future devices. And also things like visual voicemail, pinch zoom and iOS's safari web browser. My problem is why can't manufacturers take the first step instead of waiting for someone else like Apple to do it first and THEN try to innovate/differentiate already innovative technology and claim it as theirs.

Read comment #6 for example.

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 22:48

31. hepresearch (unregistered)

This is exactly what happens when one company gets the jump on all the others, and brings out a product that literally defines the entire market at once... since the release of the iPhone in 2007, it has simply become impossible to successfully market a new smartphone (or even a decent feature phone) without making it, in many respects, just like an iPhone. Furthermore, Apple is, through design patent applications like this one, ensuring that the next true innovation/evolution in the mobile industry will be far too excessively expensive for any other company to dare attempt it.

The more I think about it, the harder it is for me to blame Apple. Apple is only doing what mega-corporations are designed to do... aggressively protect their own bottom-line and future survival through ensured market dependence. If Samsung had done it first, they would probably be doing the same thing that Apple is doing right now... it is the way that this monster of an economic system was designed to work.

posted on 28 Dec 2011, 00:14 2

32. maier9900 (Posts: 272; Member since: 17 Dec 2011)

The answer for your second paragraph is......... "no, Apple will not prevent other INDUSTRIES from making those kind of batteries..."

Apple's patent on this technology is for mobile devices only, NOT for automotive or any other industries. ONLY MOBILE. And the automotive industry has this Tech in cars that are on the market already.

posted on 26 Dec 2011, 22:25 3

2. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

maybe i should trademark the names of any possible future ios devices.

posted on 26 Dec 2011, 22:38

4. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)

Apple already has a working prototype of this technology -- the good news for Apple's competitors is that the technology is still not ready for mass deployment.

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 00:51 1

14. maier9900 (Posts: 272; Member since: 17 Dec 2011)

do you work for Apple???

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 02:23

16. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)

You don't have to work for Apple given that hindsight is 20/20 -- meaning anyone can verify the facts on a posteriori basis.

posted on 28 Dec 2011, 00:21

33. maier9900 (Posts: 272; Member since: 17 Dec 2011)

Next please...

posted on 26 Dec 2011, 22:44

6. rf1975 (Posts: 259; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)

You can take any patent, we do not care. Because our Samy can bring all those to non iOS devices using their innovative copying technology.....

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 16:44

27. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)

And it'll be better...

posted on 26 Dec 2011, 22:45

8. derricob (Posts: 25; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)

I think this is more for desktops/laptops then mobile devices. If you look at the diagram it uses oxygen from fans to use the electricity to power the device. Unless Apple plans on making ultra thin, quiet fans for mobile devices we're not going to see this on an iPhone/iPad

posted on 26 Dec 2011, 22:53

9. ILikeBubbles (Posts: 525; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

hope so.. but even if that were the case apple likes to make its patents general enough to cover pretty much everything it's related too...

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 03:45

20. thebikerboi2 (Posts: 144; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)

well ultra thin vents are posible but i think that having it in a mobile device with the current technology avaliable would just make it big and bulky.

posted on 26 Dec 2011, 23:08 4

11. maier9900 (Posts: 272; Member since: 17 Dec 2011)

You can't underestimate Apple... they've been working under secrecy for a number of years now, we don't know for sure what Apple has been doing in the past year(s) about this technology other than working on designs because that's what we hear from ppl who believe and underestimate the secrecy of Apple. Nobody knows what Apple has in store for consumers and you in fact will never know the truth about whats really going on at Apple. Apple could release this technology sooner than we think. Fact.

posted on 26 Dec 2011, 23:43 3

12. jacko (unregistered)

all it is just more patents to sue people and slow down technology

i wonder who they stole that idea off and making it there own

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 01:01 1

15. SlimSoulja86 (Posts: 660; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)

I love Apple but let the truth be told, they รก known for sueing left right n center, and theynmake extra cash from sueing other manufacturers, thiis another way of blocking innovations and to sue #JustMyOpinion

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 03:30 1

19. Skoll (Posts: 15; Member since: 15 Dec 2011)

this is all great but they patented an idea of how it SHOULD work and not how it WORKS so the patent system is stupid.

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 04:41 1

21. BattleBrat (Posts: 1476; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)

Dang if the normal iPhones blow up, imagine the blast if apple pops fuels cells in them

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 05:42 1

22. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)

Apple patented again something that doesn't exist just only to lock block innovation

posted on 27 Dec 2011, 10:20

25. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

if it doesnt exist... then they dont block anyone.. right?...

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