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Apple files another complaint with the International Trade Commission against HTC

0. phoneArena posted on 11 Jul 2011, 10:00

Since the first complaint against HTC is unlikely to hold water, Apple has filed another one, allegedly for different patents infringement this time, which might overlap with the complaint against Samsung...

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posted on 13 Jul 2011, 10:41

117. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

kinetic scrolling
swiping gestures
pinch to zoom

all these are patented by Apple by the way

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 16:00

97. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Come on man use your head. lets say i created a phone company and made a revolutionary product that was different then all other products just because they were out first doesn't mean i copied them when they sell a device similar to mine after mine was on sale for over a year. Just because android came out before ios doesn't matter. The fact is android devices where very different before ios and once the iphone came out it was about a year after that, the droid went on sale. The droid was extremely different from all previous androids because they copied apple and thats why it was so popular. IOS 5 is mostly copied from other platforms but it was minor things really. However it isn't anywhere near what android does which is copy the whole os. Apple copies a stupid notification center that i dont like and you act like its such a big deal and when android copies a whole os with things like an app store(yes there where app stores before apple's but they were used in a very different way and it wasn't merely remotely similar to apple's) and gestures and the whole layout of the thing. Apple has had so many innovations, have you seen what has happened since the iphone came out to phones. Look at phones 4 years ago and today and you will see huge differences. Look from 2003 to 2007 the first 4 years of android and you see very little.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 19:53 1

111. AndroidOS (Posts: 100; Member since: 21 Jun 2011)

Apple changed s**t, look all the features I named that they stole. GUI? BAHAHA. Nokia used that waaay before Apple. Didn't they already get sued for stealing Nokia's ideas? YEP!! But of course you iSheep will SOMEHOW deny that. Aren't they paying Nokia Royalties for infringing on their patents in the first place? Hell Yeah.

Apple innovated nothing. You say that copied minor things? Look at ALL those features copied EXACTLY from other operating systems.

Android copied WHAT from Apple? Please tell me one thing they stole that Apple was the first to patent and use in iOS. GUI? touchsreen? I don't think so.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 10:15 2

86. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

That was weak, I would respond but iSheephunter just destroyed you. Very easily I might add.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 00:49 2

63. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Well, Taco, why don't you have a look see for yourself?


It's not the most major release ever, but it's still significant.

And the changes in the overlays, especially Motoblur and Sense, are drastic too. Even though you can put an old Blur phone alongside a new Blur phone and still tell that they're from the same source, there are a LOT of differences. Shall I give you a list of changes in Motoblur?

1. More animations, including during change of screen orientation.
2. Changed color scheme, dark blue accents instead of white.
3. Changed interface for contact list.
4. Up to three customizable home screen profiles.
5. Launcher changed completely; app drawer is on the right, with three customizable icons. (you can swap out what's there for other apps-for instance, the texting icon can be replaced by the browser)
6. The app drawer can now be split into app groups, which are completely customizable. For instance, if I'm handing my phone to my nephews so they can play games on it, I switch the group to "Games" so they don't have to scroll through all of my apps to find them.
7. Widgets now fill up the screen when you select them, cover flow style interface to switch between cards.
8. The social updates widget now has an option to go directly to a list of all updates.
9. "Helicopter view" of all home screens when home button is pressed while on the middle screen.
10. Ability to eliminate individual notifications from app tray.
11. Improved app manager.
12. Ability to save a phone number just entered by keypad as a contact.
13. Multiple calls by the same contact are collapsed under single headings in the recent calls list.

So yeah, evolution definitely happens with Android and its hardware manufacturers.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 09:17

81. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Most of these changes are c

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 09:20

82. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Most of these changes are minor or cosmetic. The same thing you bash Apple for. How in your head can you list these and say android is evolving and then deny iOS is.

I think you called iOS 5 laughable when it was a more major update them this.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 10:45 2

87. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

10 out of 13 of those changes were changes of functionality within MOTOBLUR. Furthermore, did you read the list of changes for Gingerbread? Gingerbread isn't even supposed to be a major release compared to releases like Cupcake or Eclair. You wouldn't call Honeycomb a major evolution of Android? At least Google came up with a dedicated version of Android for tablets instead of blowing iOS up and slapping it on an oversized iPod Touch.

I didn't call iOS 5 laughable. But most of its best features are stolen from other companies or developers, Taco. Why do you continue to deny this?

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 16:24 4

36. AndroidOS (Posts: 100; Member since: 21 Jun 2011)

The claim against GetJar was actually pretty laughable. :)

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 21:03 2

50. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)

Whether or not Android was a complete rip-off of Apple we may never know. But sometimes I feel like people (not you in particular) feel that just because Android Inc "existed" before Apple that removes any chance of Android copying Apple. I'm pretty sure that what existed in 2003 was merely and idea. Just looking at how simplistic and unprepared the G1 was for the public should be perfect example of that.

The device probably wasn't going to be touch screen, there probably would have been some kind of a store to get music/applications maybe, the web browser probably wasn't going to be webdav, etc etc. So yes Android "existed" before iPhone but I'm sure the launch of iPhone in June 2007 heavily influenced the G1 launch 14 months later.

Many of the lawsuits are definitely laughable, but don't be surprised if Apple wins some of them. One that I think (and hope) Apple may win is the ongoing battle with pinch-zoom. I feel like they went through all that trouble and to watch their competitors put it on their devices probably was a slap in the face. Same thing with touch to focus on camera. When they previewed that in their keynote, the first thing that came to my mind was "In only a couple of months, this feature will appear on other devices"

I feel like the only company coming up with very smart ideas is Apple. Android is all about processors, megapixels, 5.5 inch screens, etc etc, but I think Apple is more about novel ideas like multi-touch, massive store for applications, first full web-browser on your phone, visual voicemail, touch to focus camera/video, trimming videos directly in camera, iMovie and recently multi-touch cut&crop and the reminders application that sends you notifications when you leave somewhere or arrive at location all done through gps (probably my favorite feature in iOS5)

And almost all of these features will be JACKED! if they haven't already, lol. And then in defense people say things like "Well pinch-zoom is the best and most natural implementation of multi-touch so its not fair to patent." Well the reason why Apple wants to patent is because it is the best implementation! Patents exist so that people/companies won't steal your great ideas!!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 00:43 3

61. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

I do believe Apple has a point with the pinch to zoom feature, that just can't be denied and I think Motorola, HTC and others will eventually have to pay up. But tapping the screen to do anything just seems natural. If you have ever used a Blackberry you know you had to double tap the screen to zoom in on the browser, so to apply that or a single tap to a camera or any other app just sounds like a natural extension to what was already available.

As for the G1 and the original iPhone, both phones impressed me very much with the iPhone ahead by a noise. But as each developed over time, to me, they became very different creatures. Apple offers the best LOOKING device of any manufacturer including the OS. The glossy icons, the minimalist approach to the hardware. And the best example of how little iOS offers is what it can do out of the box. It does very little until you set up an iTunes account. Once you have iTunes, you have access to tons of useful apps that other companies and developers have created. But Apple gives you nothing.

When I look at Android, I see a very nice looking OS that isn't as glossy, but every bit as nice. And out the box I have a lot more I can do on an Android. I didn't have to wait until I had access to a computer to do something with it. But once I did sign into my Gmail account, I got a ton of useful apps there too but I also got more apps by the developer of the OS. That may not be important to most iOS users but I can't tell you how good it feels to see the look on an iPhone users face when I speak plain English into my Droid X, and it does what I told it to do. Ex, I can press a button and say "text message my wife. Baby, I'll be home in 10 minutes.". Either two things will happen, either they'll look at my phone to see if it really did it. Or they say "can I do that on my iPhone". Then I'll smile and say "No, sorry. This is a Droid.". Either way, the iPhone user usually is dead silent with a WTF look on their face.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 01:07 2

65. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

And why, in your entire post, haven't you mentioned that Apple "jacked" features like customizing your home screen (even though the options there are still pathetic) and the notification tray?

I won't deny that in some things Apple has been innovative, but it wasn't until Android and its supporting hardware came along that people really started to care about specs and about seeing their phones become more truly like pocket sized computers.

The older versions of Windows Mobile were laughable because they simply translated the desktop experience to the phone-it just didn't work. The iPhone, while pretty, was still, at its core, just a phone with applications on it. Android is the closest to a user friendly desktop experience you can get on your phone, webOS notwithstanding. When Blackberry dominated the market, people thought of smartphones as a supplement to their computers, something that could do a few things like email and web browsing, but wasn't supposed to actually replace theose functions.

When the iPhone was introduced people began to think of their phones more as a platform for doing cool things, while retaining some more basic features that Blackberry, Palm and Windows had already.

Then Android came along, and with it the acceleration in hardware specs for phones. Over a period of about 6 years Blackberry finally got to 500-600 MHz processors, while the iPhone continued that trend up through 2009 with the iPhone 3Gs.

Then came the Android explosion, and in a period of only TWO YEARS we've seen processors go from 600 MHz to dual core 1.2 GHz processors. That's a 400 percent increase in processing power. Also, like Whateverman said, with Android you really saw a concentration on having a phone that is very feature rich out of the box, and Google continues to add more new features and services all the time. For instance, I almost find the phone experience for Google Maps to be more intuitive than any desktop map software.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 16:15

98. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Most of what you said was with regards to specs. I couldn't agree more. Androids are about the specs and i get that. They are the sport cars of the phone world. Apple is more like a rolls royce its the luxury product. Its about what it can do about being small and easy to handle and well designed and all that. Android is ferrari its about speed. The difference is the fast cars are small and luxury is big in technology its the opposite. However a rolls has to be quick but not the fastest around and so does an iphone. Iphone and rolls are about what it can do android ferrari how fast it can go. That is why its ok to like both as i do.

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 11:12 10

7. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

I just think that this is now in the realm of silly. Apple will file a suit against anyone how is doing well & Apple deems as competition. Apple has a complaint against BOTH Samsung & now HTC. It's funny that these 2 companies are Apple's biggest threats. It just looks like is Apple can't beat them so they will resort to banning them from the market. Apple's tactics look desperate & delusional. It seems that they are scared if they have to resort to the extreme act of banning HTC's phones. I don't think Apple wants a monopoly, I think they want to eliminate companies that are making better phones then they are at a much faster rate. HTC makes so many phones for Android and Windows, that to Apple they are a threat plain and simple. Apple wants to get rid of their problems instead of beating them with a better product. Apple is sweating & now sees that they are at the cusp of losing in this game. So when push comes to shove Apple will file a complaint with the International Trade Commission so they can ban their competition. I thought compaint was spelled complaint. Need to fix that title PhoneArena.com lol

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 11:15 6

8. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

PhoneArena.com is quick, thanks for fixing the compaint problem there. lol

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 12:59 3

15. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

Filing complaints/lawsuits left and right can backfire on Apple. They filed a slop job at ITC the first time around and got nothing for their efforts. They had better do a tighter job this time. The staff at government agencies don't like to have their time wasted. If Apple continues to send slop to ITC, they run the risk of poisoning the well of good will that might have otherwise been present at ITC.

This ain't over, yet. And Apple knows it.

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 14:30

20. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

"Apple is sweating & now sees that they are at the cusp of losing in this game"

Did you read the article from a couple of days ago where Apple makes 50% of profits in the industry? How are they on the cusp of losing?

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 15:36 5

27. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

taco50 there is no way Apple can compete with Samsung & HTC together. Samsung is going to be the #1 phone maker in the world. HTC is going to be in the top 3 in the world. It's going to be impossible for Apple to handle them at the same time. Why do you think Apple wants to ban them both? If Apple was all mighty they wouldn't care what both Samsung & HTC do. Why try to ban HTC? HTC's phones look nothing like an iPhone & HTC Sense if from the future compared to Apple’s dry & stagnant bin there done that iOS. I really think it's FEAR, the driving force behind Apple complaints against BOTH Samsung & HTC. Apple has 50% of the profits right now, but that is going to change very, very shortly. HTC & Samsung are growing like weeds in Apple's pasture & naturally it will cut into their pie! It’s only very basic economics. Both Samsung, & HTC are innovating, while Apple adds notifications ala Android to their iOS & cloud service which has been out now for almost an eternity in this fast paced mobile world. Plus the iPhone is STILL not 4G. How can Apple stay relevant in a world where 4G is insanely fast. Great Apple is going to have a fast dual-core phone that runs 3G. lol Really? Please 3G is now obsolete. HTC & Samsung are dropping 4G phones like it’s a raining. While Apple is still waiting on the release of the iPhone 4S or 5, BOTH HTC & Samsung are hard at work with successors to the HTC Sensation, HTC Evo 3D, & the Samsung Galaxy S II. Apple is way behind the 8 ball now. It just doesn’t look good for Apple to go against the 2 up and coming juggernauts. Apple indeed fears both HTC & Samsung! People are starting to see though the nice & cute Apple advertising. People REALIZE that there ARE better phones than Apple. Apple doesn’t like that!

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 19:55 1

44. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Maybe it's because HTC and Samsung are shamelessly copying Apple. iPhone 4 is still a top of the food chain smartphone a year after it came out. Most android phones that came out a year ago have been end of life for months.

iPhone isn't 4G and it is outselling all 4g phones on both VZW and AT&T. And the iPhone 5 will smash all your precious crapdroid phones that come out this year.

But don't worry you have widgets and custom skins!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:02 2

75. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

O K taco50
What you said makes perfect sense.
We will see how your little 3G iPhone 4S or 5 will do. I hope people buy a slow 3G phone so when I show them my 4G phone they will be like damn your phone is so fast, & I will be well your phone is slower with some nice shiny glass! lol

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 21:58 1

54. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

4g isn't ready for mainstream use yet. It will make your phone huge and suck battery life out of your phone. It's a phone not a toy and 3G is still fast while being able to have a reasonably sized phone! 3G is still better for most peoples use.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 06:58 2

74. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

I have a HTC Evo 3D & it's not a huge phone. It's a perfect sized phone. It feels good on my hand & it happens to be 4G also. The iPhone 4 is too small. I am a man & I got big hands. Maybe your hands are small like a woman’s hands & you are fine with an iPhone 4. But for me it's too small & I think the HTC Evo 3D is perfect so it's a matter of opinion. Anyone who checks out 4G WILL never go back to 3G & that is not a matter of opinion. 4G IS NOW, 3G was yesterday! 4G is so fast that it doesn’t even compare to 3G. For you to say 4G is not mainstream is crazy because if it isn’t now, it will be very shortly. 4G is the future whether you like it or not. It’s not like it’s 3D who some people don’t like, 4G IS HAPPENING. YOU WILL OWN A 4G phone. If you never own a 4G phone it’s because you don’t want a mobile phone, because THAT IS WERE THIS TECH IS GOING!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 07:19 1

76. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Not saying 4G isn't the future but until the atennas are smaller 4G isn't ready yet is what i am saying. Apple is waiting for the tech to improve because apple won't put its name on a product that doesnt function perfect. btw you dint have a 4g phone you have enhanced 3G the closet thing we have to 4g is lte.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 11:38 1

90. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

WiMAX is CONSIDERED 4G. They changed that a long time ago. Look it up. You can Google it. WiMAX, HSPA+, & LTE ARE considered 4G, so NO you are wrong. There is no such thing as enhanced 3G. Thanks but no thanks. 4G is ready & it functions perfectly, if Apple doesn't want it that is on them. There are millions of people who are very satisfied with 4G & millions more who WILL fall under that same category before Apple even makes an iPhone 4G capable. If they want to risk losing that piece of the pie then AGAIN that is on them! The tech exists but maybe Apple needs time to figure out their antenna issues because I can hold my HTC Evo 3D in anyway & signal will not diminish. Try that on you iPhone 4 even with the stupid little case & STILL there is some signal loss.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 16:23

99. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Again with the signal loss I have never experienced that and neither has anybody that i know with an iphone. Stop that its childish. I don't care what they advertise 4g as it isn't 4g we both know that. Its all advertising. There is no 4g lte phone that is under 4.3 so the iphone can not have that feature because it isn't about speed its about design and what it does not how fast it does it. Anyway when your phone freezes what good is 4g. Hspa isn't worth the change for iphone so until its smaller they wont bother. Why should they bother to change. They should just come out with it when its a proven technology that can be fit in a smaller phone not drain battery and is available in more markets what is wrong with that.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 17:01 1

106. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

Dude my Mother has an iPhone 4 from Verizon & even with its case I can still have signal loss when I hold it the wrong way. That was the first thing I did with that phone when I got my hands on it. So you are a liar. Also the International Telecommunications Union says & you can look this up (Google it) WiMAX, HSPA+, & LTE are 4G. So that isn't advertising. Please stop looking foolish & understand that. My HTC Evo 3D NEVER freezes so again you are WRONG. So maybe you need to stop being the childish one, don't you think? It's like you are making things up!

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 18:58

107. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Wait a month it takes time to get viruses. And btw i have tried to do the death grip on my phone and cant. So when not trying its like a normal phone. Androids are good but there well known for security issues.

posted on 12 Jul 2011, 19:13 1

109. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

"In the report, Symantec concludes that iOS is best at "resisting malware attacks, resource abuse/service attacks, data loss and data integrity attacks." Android is better than iOS in specific security features. Symantec says that Google's open source OS is better than iOS when it comes to isolating processes, but is behind on "access control, application provenance and encryption."

Where Android really has an advantage is in the number of vulnerable points which Symantec says numbers 200 on iOS versus just 18 on Android. And of that 18, only 4 remain unpatched by Google. The latter also beats Apple when it comes to the speed of patching an 'opening', taking just 8 days to come up with a solution versus 12 days for the Cupertino based firm."

Sounds like Android is more secure than iOS at least according to this. Here is the link if you're skeptical.


posted on 13 Jul 2011, 07:22

115. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

Whateverman I was going to point out that same article from PhoneArena.com. Thank you. There are iSheep that never bother to do research nor do they take into consideration what they read. I am 100% sure that when that article appeared in PhoneArena.com, biophone had to read it because it talks about his beloved iOS. I guess he forgot the parts on Android huh? Any PHONE takes time to get viruses or malware. NO PHONE IS IMPERVIOUS! Ohh biophone on the death grip issue, when the Apple iPhone 4 came out for Verizon everybody that conducted a review on it, did the death grip & UNANIMOUSLY said the dearth grip issue IS THERE. Maybe not as bad as AT&T’s Apple iPHONE 4 BUT it’s there. If you don't believe me start with PhoneArena.com. Here is an excerpt from PhoneArena.com Verizon iPhone 4 Review “Just when we thought that Apple killed all remnants of the dreaded death grip issue with its antenna on the Verizon iPhone 4, it appears that it simply only lessens the problem – but doesn’t totally annihilate it. Using the death grip, we managed to get the signal bars go from 5 to 2 bars in a span of under a minute. However, we didn’t experience any dramatic effects from doing this – such as dropping phone calls.” So AGAIN you are not being forth coming! You are clearly defining what an iSheep really is!

posted on 11 Jul 2011, 14:50 1

23. stealthd (unregistered)

Or (in reality) Apple sees companies like HTC becoming successful well known brands making smartphones AFTER the success of the iPhone. Yes HTC made smartphones before the iPhone, but they were WinMo devices and they barely had a presence in the wireless industry. It wasn't until HTC started making some of the first popular Android phones - the G1, the Hero, and especially the Evo, that they really became a well known brand. This isn't just about Apple fighting competition, it's about them fighting competition that's riding on their coattails.

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