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Apple did not infringe on Samsung patents says ITC judge

0. phoneArena posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:03

In a preliminary ruling made on Friday,an ITC judge ruled that Apple did not infringe on Samsung patents while producing products like the Apple iPhone and the Apple iPad; Samsung had filed a claim in the middle of last year saying that Apple had infringed on four of its patents...

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posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:43 1

68. mrochester (unregistered)

I think it's too difficult to tell because both companies are still growing at a phenomenal rate; it'll only be when the rate of growth starts to slow that I think we'll get some insight.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 05:28

99. BlacRaZredge (Posts: 36; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)

samsung has something going for them thou. they make more then just phones. they are like a swiss army knife company. they make everything from a toaster to the most elaborate machines in the world. samsung isnt going to fail because their android phones fall off. hell they have windows too which they have a even greater relationship with. what does apple have? computers and phones. and who buys apple tv anyways. apple will lose steam but not unless someone stands up to the plate, but wait google, windows, and linux are. they are making some great products to compete and crush apple.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:25 3

58. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

those Judges made the right choice.. and protected Americans from a company like HTC that is struggling to produce some kind of profits and are making bogus claims.. I now feel better and secure... and my kids will continue to enjoy the freedom to buy an iphone..

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:28 4

60. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

sorry Americans the company making bogus claims is Samsung..not HTC

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 18:34 3

64. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

ohh mate do you just come up with this crap or do you work hard on saying the stupidest things your can

you have to be the worst kind of ifan, you will justify and accept anything apple does because in some way you feel you are apart of Apple.

in your eyes its ok only if Apple win, i have my fingers crossed the courts do there job right and see that apple did wrong, HTC and Samsung held LTE patents before apple and when apple heard HTC were going to sue what did they do ohh yes they did what there best at went and brought as many patents as they could

If apple keeps this up they'll be the death of innovation and tech advancement

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 19:42 1

70. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4783; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

You know what, at this point I hope apple wins all these cases. And if they drive out the competition and all we're left with is apple and Microsoft, they'll treat consumers just like they did in the nineties. A duopoly with each agreeing to work with rather than compete against each other.

Even Wozniak, who's more responsible for apple than Jobs was, said these lawsuits are ridiculous. He's the man who actually designed and built apple's first computers, Jobs sold the units and came up with ideas, but it was Wozniak who had to figure out how to make those ideas happen. He's the apple guy we should be listening to.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 22:51

78. willard12 (unregistered)

You do realize that Motorola is an American company that Apple is forcing to destroy phones in Germany because of scroll bounce. Also, you do realize Google/Android is an American company trying to push their OS to foreign firms and Apple wants to go "thermonuclear" on them. Don't wrap yourself in the American flag over Apple. Instead of rejoicing that 68% of the smart phones in the world are running on an American OS, you support its destruction. As Americans, we believe in freedom, does Apple (see your locked down IOS while you ponder that)?

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 19:50 3

72. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

looks like you still don't like competition just like the greedy scared fruit

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 19:41

69. prakesh (Posts: 92; Member since: 13 Sep 2012)

once they banned apple in u.s they losing something. so they would have to protect their assets

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 19:49 2

71. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

this patent IS COMPLETELY B.S. Apple is definitely paying someone AT ITC trying not to get fine

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 19:52 3

73. zackh121556 (Posts: 102; Member since: 01 Feb 2012)


posted on 14 Sep 2012, 22:03

75. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

APPLE reminds me of Tim Tebow...

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 23:22

80. Friendlysky (Posts: 54; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)

Who is say the US is a clean country and not a corruption it's only a blindman would say that. This country money talk bus**t walk. Keep inmind we only have 350 millions there is 6 Billions people out there will see the US and they are not blind either.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 23:38

81. bomariam1 (Posts: 43; Member since: 08 May 2012)

Yep I said it before and I will say it again, leave American with their iPhone.
And sell your product eelsewhere.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 00:06

84. bucky (Posts: 3135; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)

I love reading these articles for all the crazy dummies crying over phones. Both companies will continue to rape you (or should I say your parents) for all the money you got. It's like apple personally offended you-Samsung is doing the same thing apple is, making money.

Pick the OS best for you and get a life.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 02:24

87. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4783; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

I have no problem with these companies making money, that's what they're supposed to do. What I have a problem with is when one company tries to force other companies out of the market, thereby limiting my choices. I don't mind if someone likes apple, if that's what works for them that's great. But when people support a company that seems hellbent on taking away choices from people who aren't interested in their product, that's what I have a problem with. The ruling against Moto in Germany allows apple to have the infringing devices destroyed and also let's them take them back from people who already shelled out their hard earned money for them. They claim these patents are stolen, but they're okay with stealing from the consumer. That's hippocrosy on the highest level in my opinion.

And just so you know, my parents didn't buy anything for me. I'm 36 and semi retired. Maybe most of the people on here are younger, but not all of us are.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 03:06 1

94. mrochester (unregistered)

I think in Apple's eyes those choices they are trying to take away from you are choices that you should never have had in the first place if the company making the product hadn't infrigement on Apple's designs and patents. People seem to get terribly upset with Apple now asserting their ownership of these things and having them taken away. Why is it never the company who has actually infringed that these people are upset with? Why are people not upset with Samsung for copying so much from Apple? Why is it Apple who are the bad guys for stopping Samsung from copying?

It seems that so many people have this whole thing completely back to front.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 05:38

100. BlacRaZredge (Posts: 36; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)

Because apple hasnt changed much since it started. same with the ipad. all their products look alike. so the chances of another device looking like the iphone or ipad is greater. just because it looks the same doesnt mean that its the same thing. apple needs to slow its role and worry about what their customers want and not worry about everyone else. on another note apple is afraid to loose the top spot like anyone else is, in this giant game of king of the hill.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 11:23

110. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4783; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

Read up on apple a little bit. They are as guilty of infringing and stealing ideas as anyone else. But as far as anyone today is concerned apple is the victim. The most famous is them ripping off Xerox's gui. They also got in trouble for ripping off the menu system for an mp3 player on their ipod with Creative Labs, who they settled out of court with. They lost to Nokia for patent infringement in court and are now paying them royalties for infringing. So apple isn't the innocent here either. But for whatever reason when apple does something it gets overlooked.

The original Galaxy S was to close to the iphone, most everyone gets that, but what apple's asking for in most of these suits is getting ridiculous. The patent system is there to ensure that someone gets compensated for their work, not to be used as a tool to eliminate your competition from the market. In my last post I referenced the Moto/Apple trial in Germany. In that apple has the opportunity to destroy hundreds of thousands of unsold handsets, and sieze units that have been sold from their owners, all for the rubber banding effect. Since this is a permanent injunction, moto can't simply offer a software update to remove the infringing part of the software. And that's what apple does every time, it goes for the jugular aka banning. The infringing companies should be paying them a licensing fee, and if they refuse THEN ban them. On the other side when apple is using FRAND based patents, they try to strong arm them into licensing it to them for less than what everyone else pays for them. Part of FRAND is that the licensing fee must be the same foreach licensee, but apparently apple thinks they deserve special treatment.

I've even had people tell me that doesn't matter, that it's unpatriotic to support a foreign based company over an american one. All apple has here is Cupertino and their apple store employees. Samsung has a manufacturing plant. Apple also keeps a huge amount of money offshore to avoid paying taxes on it. They absolutely refuse to move their manufacturing here to the states because as Jobs said "americans couldn't put out enough units for their needs and weren't smart enough for the job." That was the just of what he told the president when asked what it would take to bring manufacturing here to the US.

I am not saying that any of the android oems are innocent, but to be fair you can't overlook what apple does either. Each of them is as guilty as the other.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 03:11

95. jael206 (Posts: 146; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)

hey apple! hey apple hey... KNIFE!!


posted on 15 Sep 2012, 10:23

104. hinz10 (Posts: 15; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)

God Bless America, Apple is truely in bed with those that have the power in the States. So glad its not so in Europe! Samsumg, Htc, Nokia should just pull out of the states and concentrate on the rest of us ,in the free world. Maybe then those that seem to run things across the pond, might wake up and smell the coffee.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 12:24

111. willard12 (unregistered)

You may have noticed that Apple just won in Germany over Motorola. The Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is now the 10.1N in Germany. Since Android is American, I don't think it's fair to say Europe is innocent. Apple has essenttally won 1 major case against Samsung that will likely be overturned on appeal in the US.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 10:33

108. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

Samsung, you will never win here in the USA. There is NO damb way Apple will ever be band. They've got backing all over the place.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 20:33

113. BomberXL (Posts: 82; Member since: 17 Jan 2012)


posted on 15 Sep 2012, 22:56

114. Astreo (Posts: 102; Member since: 05 May 2011)

Every single time that apple doesnt lose a case it seems the fandroids stick to the over used " paid by apple " excuse. did you think maybe, just maybe, that they are winning because they arent doing anything wrong ? god this site is starting to get old with the same crap on every single article. its a damn operating system you retards, nothing to honestly argue about.

posted on 16 Sep 2012, 08:37

115. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

nothing to argue about, yet you just had a little rant about it

this is a site for people to discuss and say there opinion, sure there will be over the top ifans and fandroids but you just gotta deal with it

secondly you dont have to be an expert to see apple are just buying and putenting stupid things in a attempt to slow there competion becuase as proven there new iphone isnt better then samsungs flagship

and lastly calling people retards, well your the only one looking like that right now so if you dont like it dont come on the site simple

posted on 17 Sep 2012, 23:24

118. BomberXL (Posts: 82; Member since: 17 Jan 2012)

you cant be serious. there are so many things wrong with your statement.. its rediculous. heres a couple...
1: this is a forum...do you understand the purpose of a forum? i wont explain that..
2: if these werent cases to argue about... why is Samsung taken to court in the first place? Maybe because Apple likes to start up the arguments? id say so...
3: and why are you on this site if its "always the same crap on every article". im sure your excuse is something along the lines of "this sight has interesting information, or articles, or is your right just as much as anyone elses to be on." if thats the case, you learn to either ignore the argument, or stay, and dispute your opinion.
4: and finally... just an operating system? on this kind of website? thats like going to a comic book convention and saying "why are you all dressed up like the characters, its just about books". well. listen.. this is a forum of individuals who's very interest in life is to talk about these things. when you want ice cream, you go to an ice cream shop, and when you want to talk about mobile operating systems, you go to phone arena.

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