Apple asks for a ban on Samsung's Galaxy line in Japan, seeks $1.3 million in damages

The next stop in the globetrotting legal tussle between Apple and Samsung seems to be Japan, as the local Kyodo news agency is reporting a first hearing held yesterday on Apple's request to ban the Galaxy line of smartphones there...
This is a discussion for a news article. To read the whole news, click here

133 Comments

12. ilia1986 unregistered

which it is.

64. darkkjedii

Posts: 30886; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

I like my iPhone 4,but I'm blown away by the new galaxy line so I agree

11. Lwazi_N

Posts: 205; Member since: Jun 23, 2011

Took you long enough to put this story up. It's just sad that Apple cannot improve their own products so as to compete fairly.

13. Lwazi_N

Posts: 205; Member since: Jun 23, 2011

Exactly, Evanko. Thank you!

16. Minsk unregistered

Man, I used to like apple products but after all those lawsuits, apple and their whole patent-policy is beginning to disgust me. I know its proper to protect your intellectual rights but if thats the case then there will only be a single brand for a single electronic device which I have to admit is rather a nonsensical idea. Besides, they keep on filing patents here and there when they should actually be on the more innovative side to outwit the competition like they had always done before. Though i dont think copying the android notifications bar is called innovative at all.

17. Eingild

Posts: 203; Member since: Apr 19, 2011

Apple only sue companies that will pose a threat to them. That is why they are just suing Samsung and HTC. These two giants has the potential to mitigate Apple's plan to dominate the whole smartphone and tablet industry.

18. gargoyle

Posts: 14; Member since: Aug 17, 2011

wait till apple brings out the iphone 5 before we say they can't totally compete, more than likely there trying to delay the competition till the phone comes out so they don't loose to many pp. if the iphone 5 comes out and is still worse than the galaxy s2 then we know they can't compete. the problem apple has is they only bring a phone out once a year where android brings out a ton, any time there is a new breakthrough in tech android brings out a new phone that has it where apple waits till there next iphone release. when iphone 4 came out it was able to compete with every that was out in the market at that time but that was a year ago and the mobile community is developing fast. what i would like to see from apple is a benchmark test like the standard quadrant test on android so u can truly compare the phones when they come out.

20. ibap

Posts: 867; Member since: Sep 09, 2009

If you can't beat 'em with technology, take 'em to court. The same company that used the SFPD to intimidate someone into letting their goons search his house, instead of telling their employees to hang onto their gear.-

21. winsaki234

Posts: 63; Member since: Mar 30, 2011

stop this s**t apple

22. winsaki234

Posts: 63; Member since: Mar 30, 2011

f**k you apple

24. remyrz

Posts: 205; Member since: Oct 28, 2010

men.. to go to a market and buy a samsung galaxy tab or a galaxy line phone instead of and Iphone or pad cause of confusion.. .. you have to be REALLY REAALY confuse bro... no no.. MAADLY CONFUSE.. or DRUNK >.> this is ibulls**t... Samsung FTW

25. Tmachaveli

Posts: 425; Member since: Apr 01, 2011

Fu*k apple get a life. .i would love to hear a isheep has to say so i can get my laugh on

104. gallitoking

Posts: 4721; Member since: May 17, 2011

it seems that you need a life... Apple is a company, if you dont have any Apple stock it shouldnt be worth your time.....

29. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

At the risk of inflaming the Apple-bashing masses, you've got to admit the SGS2 (global version) cribs a LOT from the iPhone. The back button combined with the overall shape of the device looks much like an iPhone that underwent its growth spurt. On top of that, TouchWiz looks a whole hell of a lot like iOS in its layout and color scheme. Now, people are going to say that a slate phone with icons and multiple screens is hard to design around, but TouchWiz is not even trying. Sense at least changes the placement and shape of basic phone functions to create a different feel for the interface. Now I don't think anyone is really going to mistake a Galaxy S2 for an iPhone, but suppose you're an underinformed prospective iPhone buyer (really stretch your imaginations here) and you walk into a phone store. You look at an iPhone, then get distracted by the assortment of bigger Android devices across from it. Out of all those options, the Galaxy phones look the most like the iPhone in execution, so that's the phone you buy. Did Samsung win your purchase solely on the merits of superior hardware, or was its similarity to the popular and familiar iPhone a significant factor? That's what Apple deserves to fight for. Their claims regarding all tablets infringing on the iPad design are crap though.

35. ilia1986 unregistered

OK roldefol - please take a look at these two different cars: http://img.autoholics.org/i/2011-honda-insight-rear-side-view.jpg http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/p/prius-7296.jpg Notice any substantial differences? Exactly. You hear Toyota and Honda battling the smack one out of another in lawsuits? Exactly.

40. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

Cars are different because the overall shape is dictated by functionality and aerodynamics. In the case of hybrids, a teardrop shape and a fastback minimize drag, so that's the shape they take. (The Chevy Volt follows this form, too.) What distinguishes cars is typically the front and rear fascias, and in the case of the Prius, Volt and Insight, they are all different. If you want to go with the car analogy, I'm likening TouchWiz and iOS to the front and rear - the face of the machine. The auto industry is not immune to design infringement lawsuits, but they usually cheap, unsafe Chinese knockoffs.

44. ilia1986 unregistered

Exactly, roldefol. In phones and tablets the overall shape is dictated by functionality as well. As for the OS - Android and iOS are so different than it's hard to see any similarity between them.

46. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

Android and iOS are different, yes. (Not as cleanly different as WP7, but enough.) In its stock, Sense and (less so) Blur flavors, Android phones do not look like iPhones to me. My issue is with TouchWiz, not Android.

54. ilia1986 unregistered

So yeah touchWiz has icons which look similar to those of iOS. Similar but not identical. Apple did not patent these icons so it doesn't matter at all.

68. darth8ball

Posts: 520; Member since: Aug 02, 2011

following that logic, smartphone shapes are dictated by the shape of the human hand the display and the technology inside. Which is why most of them all look very similar.

67. darth8ball

Posts: 520; Member since: Aug 02, 2011

I have been saying the same since this whole lawsuit crap started. I think Apple asking Samsung to provide them with Super Amoled Plus HD displays for the i5 and Sammy telling them NO, was what prompted this once happy working relationship sour. The one thing the i4 had to hard sell it's lack of advanced tech with was the 'Retina display' now Sammy can one up them on that too now.

71. ilia1986 unregistered

Yeah well, darth8ball, you don't shoot your neighbor just because he refused to give you a cup of sugar, now do you? Besides instead of asking favors from Samsung, Apple could have developed it's own display tech. Like you know - them actually proving for once that the're about innovation and all.

37. wassup

Posts: 565; Member since: Jun 23, 2011

umm.... regarding your scenario... how THE FU.CK will you confuse the teeny weeny iPhone with the SGS2? LOL! and besides, you'd be getting a better phone anyways so it's better for the consumer :) and besides, who is SO misinformed to go buy an iDiotPhone, but doesn't know what it looks like? (answer: the average iOS user, they're really dumb) :) so if apple's userbase is dumb, it's not Samsung's fault. oh and Regarding the iPhone design as unique, read up on the LG prada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada_(KE850) ), it came out with a Capacitive touch screen before the iPhone 1 was even introduced... so... your argument is rendered useless :) enjoy your stay.

42. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

I'm aware of the Prada, and while the iPhone cribbed its shape, it added its own twists to the slate design. You could argue that every slate touchscreen phone ripped off the Prada, but that's the form that touchscreen phones developed. I'm suggesting that someone who THINKS they want an iPhone - not a power user, just someone buying their first smartphone - might gravitate to the Galaxy line because it looks similar. You have to think about people who aren't smartphone afficionados or techheads. They're the majority of buyers and key to the iPhone's continuing popularity despite the many worthy alternatives.

43. wassup

Posts: 565; Member since: Jun 23, 2011

so... samsung DIDN'T add its own twist? lol they sure did :) even the most NOVICE phone buyer, does some research on which phone s/he wants to buy, be it from the net, or from friends/family. And honestly, who is dumb enough to confuse iP4 for an SGS2?

45. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

What about the SGS2's physical design differentiates it from the iPhone, aside from extra screen real estate? And I'm not suggesting someone will literally mistake them side by side, I'm suggesting they share significant design commonalities in both exterior hardware and UI. I know SGS2 loyalists will point to speed and dual-core goodness, but the iPhone 5 could well narrow the performance gap. (It'll certainly need to if they want the phone to compete through the end of 2012.)

47. wassup

Posts: 565; Member since: Jun 23, 2011

and what about the iP4's design differentiate it from the LG prada? :P I agree that they both are rectangles, what else?

48. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

They eliminated the call and disconnect buttons and changed the back button to an iconic circle. Otherwise yes, they cribbed the Prada design. The iP4 cribbed it even further with the metal ring around the edges. I think LG could have sued Apple, but a) the Prada wasn't very popular and b) they'd rather keep Apple as a huge customer for their 'retina' displays. (Nobody seems to acknowledge that the enV Touch was the original retina display, but I digress.)

51. wassup

Posts: 565; Member since: Jun 23, 2011

ok.. so if changing a buttin can make it different enough, then.... Sammy put a home button that is rectangular, added a home button that is capacitive, a back button that is also capacitive. and samsung also REMOVED the metal ring, so as to differentiate itself from the prada more. So i really can't see why Apple is going sue-happy iver LG's design O.o

52. roldefol

Posts: 4744; Member since: Jan 28, 2011

You still haven't addressed the TouchWiz interface, which I think is the bigger issue. Otherwise Apple would have more agressively gone after Motorola and HTC during the Android boom last year. I do believe Apple is panicking, and that it wouldn't bother unless it felt Samsung were a real threat to its tablet market dominance. But people here see "Apple sues..." and reflexively assume the suit is baseless because they've prejudged Apple.

* Some comments have been hidden, because they don't meet the discussions rules.

This copy is for your personal, non-commercial use only. You can order presentation-ready copies for distribution to your colleagues, clients or customers at https://www.parsintl.com/phonearena or use the Reprints & Permissions tool that appears at the bottom of each web page. Visit https://www.parsintl.com/ for samples and additional information.