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Android is going to become more like Apple because that's what Google wants

0. phoneArena posted on 08 Aug 2013, 14:47

I'm getting a little bit tired of the constant shouting by Android fans that nothing seems to matter aside from specs. The trouble I have with that argument is that it's based on old, busted logic. To me, it comes off just as silly as when Apple fans continue to claim that Android is laggy or buggy, because both arguments are based on platforms that don't exist anymore...

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posted on 08 Aug 2013, 17:27 1

114. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)

Bigger screen doesn't mean better, and I'm pretty sure the Moto X has a better screen ratio than the S4. The S4 doesn't have the best phone camera, that definitely goes to the 1020. You can probably use gloves with the screen, hell...they have been selling gloves you can use with touchscreens for a while.

They have the same amount of ram.....so you might be stupid.
CPU, the S4 and and HTC One definitely have faster processors....but Samsung also loads a bunch of bloatware (Touchwiz) that slows down their phones. The active display implements seem cooler on the Moto X than how Samsung implemented them.

All in all, you don't know what you're talking about and are a Samsung fanboy.

With that said, I still won't be getting the Moto X for a few reasons.
1.) Not coming with triband LTE on Sprint
2.) The Moto maker is stupidly only available on AT&T for now. I'm not waiting till November
3.) They're asking too much for those specs, at 99 I think they would have great price. The specs might not make a real world difference (except for phones with the new snapdragon 800...due to the adreno 330), but they do make the phone cheaper, so the price for the consumer should be reflected in that.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 21:54

152. BadAssAbe (Posts: 465; Member since: 22 Apr 2011)

Bigger is not always better but the SGS4 screen is better
DDR2 vs DDR3 Ram, S4 Better
"probably use gloves" LOL no
MicroSD card is also a BIG Plus
"pretty sure the Moto X has a better screen ratio than the S4" Wrong, also SGS4 no onscreen buttons means more screen
1020 is the best camera phone

Yes i do know what im talking about

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 08:50

188. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)

You can buy gloves to use with smartphones, they make them...in all sort of styles. Samsung isn't the only one who lets you use any glove, Nokia does it with some of the Lumias too.
And the S4 has a worse screen than the HTC One.
Can't deny the ram if you are correct, though I haven't seen anywhere where the moto x has ddr2.
MicroSD is slow and pointless, if you need that much space just get the 64gb one. I much prefer space on the phone instead of an extra part to break or lose. If you need an SD card...cool, doesn't make a phone better for having one.
Onscreen buttons are what allows it to have a better screen ratio, you saying it doesn't...does not make it so. And bigger screen means bigger screen.
At least you concede the the 1020 is the best camera phone.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 17:31

117. bonsly16 (Posts: 76; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

Better specs and bad software optimization (TouchWiz) is not a better phone. The GS4 seems to lag, last time I checked.

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 02:41

169. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

The Moto X has:

Glass by the same company that makes Gorilla Glass (and drop tests still aren't kind to the S4, btw)
Still a bigger screen than the previous generation of Android phones typically had
Touchless voice controls
A better screen to phone ratio (you clearly haven't been paying attention to size comparos that the Moto X is in)
More useful notification system
None of the useless Samsung bloat I'll never use.

The RAM is the same between the two, and whether the CPU is "better" depends on what you're using it for. Seems as though the Moto X also gives the same or better battery life. For people who find the S4 and its kitchen sink approach intimidating, the Moto X will be a better fit.

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 14:54

196. marbovo (Posts: 658; Member since: 16 May 2013)

Or, they just can have the S4 Google Edition

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 21:34

148. MartyK (Posts: 949; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)

Actually the pay for the brand name (Iphone), you can put a picture of Apple on a Samsung instinct or a flip phone and call it the new Iphone, people will buy it cause of the brand.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:08 11

12. tedkord (Posts: 14155; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

it's only fair, apple just became a lot more like Android with iOS 7.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:11 1

14. softfurryanus (banned) (Posts: 232; Member since: 09 Jul 2013)

Google needs to compete with touchwiz and the other UI's out there. Air gesture would be great to have on nexus devices, and multi window would also be amazing. They are both practical and will win Samsung and LG's customers.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:11 1

17. zachattack (Posts: 621; Member since: 31 Jul 2013)

Yeah but, android has many iterations an actually changes. The iPhone stays the same and has been the same for like 5 or 7 years. User experience, my user experience with apple is boredom. Why I have to go through 2 menus to turn off data or wifi. I guess since they've done so well up till now is why. Yeah they optimize well, but it's still boring. Not to mention how much I hate their keyboards. LG has made some very useful features unlike Samsung who forces you to have 20 useless features. Hopefully LG has inspired other companies into going outside the comfort zone. There seems to be a bubble that every phone maker is stuck in. Apple is still stuck in the bubble. Even with iOS 7, they aren't revolutionizing anything. HTC made a metal phone and changed sense 5 for the greater good. Samsung have us a slightly upgraded S3 and an even more cluttered touch wiz. I guess you can admire apple for sticking to their guns for so long; however, I bet they are just itching to copy android. I never rooted phones but I have jail broken. It's not really glamorous and to me a phone should be so great that you don't need to root or jail break. HTC and LG are the only ones going farther. I'm really impressed by G2s design and features. Samsung lets be honest, isn't doing anything worth praise besides creating another decent phone. Apple is just... Apple. Google doesn't impress me. Apple is going to have a hard time. Android being like apple is an opinion I think. I've never owned a newer smartphone so I can't say how smooth android runs. It looks buttery smooth on the One and G2 though. One last thing before I go, apple might say twice as fast but they really mean no difference. 4s to 5 was no speed difference haha.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:17

20. cncrim (Posts: 911; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)

Great artices, however hardware and software are hand in hand important each one have their own duty to perform......... software is a tranission and the hardware is the power engine. In short, dual cores, 2 GB RAM with the rite optimizit software it is more than capable do everyday task.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:18 4

21. konnor (Posts: 30; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)

At the same time iOS is copying Android more and more. I mean, have you seen iOS7?

But this was to be expected. Both OS's are learning each other's best parts, so that's good. It's how competition is supposed to work.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:19 2

22. Mr.Mr.Upgrade (Posts: 474; Member since: 30 Aug 2011)

I don't care about specs I care about software updates..s3 s4 note123 lg g2 all suck...

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 16:14 1

57. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)

You said Galaxy phones suck but Samsung dishes out the best software updates to their phones. Contradicts your comment.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 16:26

81. Mr.Mr.Upgrade (Posts: 474; Member since: 30 Aug 2011)

Quick up like. Nexus... This phones dont

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 16:51 1

95. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)

After Nexus devices, Samsung is the first one to push updates to their phones first (most of the time.) and Sony/Asus afterwards. HTC, especially LG, need to change everything when it comes to which device gets upgraded and when.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 17:19

109. tedkord (Posts: 14155; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

It's not so important when the two year old version you have is still better than the latest update to IOS.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:22 5

23. Hammerfest (Posts: 384; Member since: 12 May 2012)

"Just ask anyone with a Nokia Lumia handset if they care (or even notice) that their device is running on hardware that would be considered "mid-range" by spec fanatics.""

Uhh my boss who owns one would beg to differ... beg lots actually!

She just switched over to Android inPART due to the dissapointment she noticed in performance between the "mid-range" lumia she has and the newer one and the lack of proper updates and support...

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:25 6

25. MartyK (Posts: 949; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)

Wow!, Michael and Gang, someone needs to tell Intel-AMD- Qualcomm-- to stop making processor faster and better..heck we can go back to 1.0GHZ processor and Ram (spec), who needs more then 512 MB..

Heck, let's just all go back down to 3.5 inch screen, cause by your logic, we don't need bigger screen, multi-task or more Pix, cause in order to run them you must have processor power!

Tell me this $400 for 3.5 screen @1.0 Ghz or $400 for a 5.0 screen Quad @1.7 GHZ?
you choose

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 16:16 3

62. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)

You missed his point completely lol.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 17:56 1

123. MartyK (Posts: 949; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)

No, he miss the point of Android, Android has always been and will always be on the cutting edge of technology, Android needs the power to Mulit-task, work different UI, run Open communities programs.. etc, not to mention all the different launchers to run....

He should had said, "Android can run/do everything with no problem", including in water! :)

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 18:32 1

130. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)

My S3 has a Snapdragon S4 Plus and it runs JB perfectly fine. Sure there's hiccups but no phone is perfect. As of right now, Android doesn't need a quad-core processor, as the Moto X proves it run flawlessly without it. All Android needs is a smooth CPU and high end GPU to make a device future proof. The whole spec race is starting to die off.

What we should push in the mobile industry is battery life. Battery life > everything.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 18:27

129. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 2226; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)

lmao that's exactly the sPec of my phone XD (the inferior spec mentioned )

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 05:55

176. Charlie_boy (Posts: 71; Member since: 04 Jan 2013)

is it a SE Xperia Ray?

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:27

26. marbovo (Posts: 658; Member since: 16 May 2013)

tsc tsc tsc PA...Why do I always have to read this Michael H. analysis... As far as I can remember when N4 was launched this very PA said that the specs were cutting edge, and as far as I know, HTC one with its snapdragon 600(the same as S4) was cutting edge at its launch. And by the way, Android still lags(not like before and every android that is not high end lags a loooooot).

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 16:14 2

59. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Thanks for the comment! Just one note: you don't "have to" read anything. We're not forcing you.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 19:17 1

136. marbovo (Posts: 658; Member since: 16 May 2013)

My curiosity is stronger then me ;)

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 17:06

101. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)

"And by the way, Android still lags(not like before and every android that is not high end lags a loooooot)."

Android lags in the same way that MS sucks.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 18:34 3

131. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)

You don't known what you're talking about. Go back to the playground and play with the other kids while grown ups and tech enthusiasts talk.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:32

28. alltechinside (Posts: 248; Member since: 21 Apr 2013)

Great article Michael!

I'm totally fine with Android trying to become more like Apple, just that I hope they don't try to follow Apple's bad side (Lawsuit, closed OS, etc..).

The Kitchen Sink vs Thoughtful approach is a very interesting idea. I think the a phone would be great to have a mixture of both. Phones need to have exclusive features which is where Kitchen Sink approach come in and I also think they need to put in a smooth and an Apple like experience. I don't think Samsung and LG balanced it out, rather dumped the phone into the kitchen Sink approach and very little onto the Thoughtful Approach. I think Moto X has gotten the right idea about the balance, but I feel let down by the price.

There are people who care about specs over software but some of them does have valid points. People that likes to flash their phones with custom roms tend to not care about the software that comes with the phone.(other than being android, otherwise, you can't flash roms...)

But for the average users or for people that dislike rooting their phone to flash roms, Software is a much greater value for them.

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