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Android is going to become more like Apple because that's what Google wants

0. phoneArena posted on 08 Aug 2013, 14:47

I'm getting a little bit tired of the constant shouting by Android fans that nothing seems to matter aside from specs. The trouble I have with that argument is that it's based on old, busted logic. To me, it comes off just as silly as when Apple fans continue to claim that Android is laggy or buggy, because both arguments are based on platforms that don't exist anymore...

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posted on 08 Aug 2013, 16:26 3

79. javac (Posts: 102; Member since: 04 Mar 2013)

I have to say there is a reason why tech junkies are so focussed on the hardware specs and not the software. this article is incredibly misleading. if you look at ios 7 apple is taking things from microsoft and google. i dont think google wants to be anything like apple. as of right now the android operating system is the superior product. look at the sales last year compared to this year. android is at almost 80% of the worlds smartphones. there is a reason for this. why would they want to have anything like a product that is at 15%? google knows what they are doing and it has nothing to do with ios

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 17:22 3

111. therealestboy (Posts: 47; Member since: 03 May 2013)

You don't make much sense. Sales don't have anything to do with the quality of a product. Windows sells more than osx and osx is arguably better in terms of quality and experience.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 17:32

118. jdoee100 (Posts: 334; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)

"Sales don't have anything to do with the quality of a product," hmmm, interesting....

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 16:35 1

87. javac (Posts: 102; Member since: 04 Mar 2013)

I would also like to add what is wrong with wanting the best? that is what drives innovation. you want everyone to just accept that a product that has a slower proccessor or a lower resolution screen is an equal to those that offer higher specs? if everyone was content with what came out 5 years ago we wouldnt have 4g, 720p, 2600 batteries, 8 mp cameras, glass that is scratch and shatter resistant, dual core. you would still be using a flip phone. the only reason why things keep getting better is because thats what people want. they dont want to tech from 20 years ago. they want to be able to do things faster while multitasking while talking on the phone.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 17:19 2

110. jdoee100 (Posts: 334; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)

The author wants to make Moto X look good, and justify its high pricing. However, Moto X most likely will have as much success as Nokia, BB with premium pricing strategy.

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 02:51

171. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)

I see your point.. Take mobile gaming for example; the difference in terms of graphics between tegra games to those non-tegra, and the project logan as well. Mobile game graphics wouldn't be as good as it gets now if its not for the gpu specs.

I think what Michael is implying is all about user experience, and we dont need a higher specsheet for that because its actually google/the os that has to deal with this. But for everything else, ram for multitasking and gpu for graphics, specs still counts.

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 05:24 1

175. Charlie_boy (Posts: 71; Member since: 04 Jan 2013)

I like whysoserious' point..
continuing the PC analogy.. most of us techies here would have a gaming rig PC or laptop.. everyone else (like your mom) can get the usual PC with 2 or 4 core CPU and a built-in GPU.

Same for smartphones.. the bleeding edge is not for everyone. That's why most experts are predicting a boom in the midrange sector. Higher specs have diminishishing returns for the AVERAGE USER.

posted on 27 Aug 2013, 16:54

214. rabidhunter (Posts: 90; Member since: 05 Jul 2013)

Define best. Yes, I want the best overall experience for the price. That's why I'm getting the DROID Mini, it's the same internals as the Moto X, DROID Ultra and Maxx, just with a smaller screen. For the $49 I'm paying the experience is the best in price. I would rather have something I can use over the latest hardware thrown into a case where the software has not kept pace with the hardware.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 17:07 1

102. parvsingh05 (Posts: 98; Member since: 11 Jan 2012)

Reality: android fone's pace has increased,(high speed,high specs, new technology.) evry year Google's os(and phones) is developing into a invincible beast.(no doubt)

problem: Apple still making out profits from technology of iphone 4 (since 2010) .no major development,( design, speed specs) high time
do something like u did in 2010, by releasing features like retina display, and other major new development.(wow features)

right now in my opinion we cant really comment which is the best and will rule in future. there are 3 os and its a triple threat match. wp8 vs ios7 vs klp

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 18:12

125. thelukewarm (Posts: 18; Member since: 18 Dec 2012)

still I'll get a HD or fullHD screen, don't you think so?

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 06:09

178. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)

Well, to be honest, "a stolen product, with another row of retro icons from -90" still needs a good specs. Why such retro OS needs uber specs? Because its implemented over power hungry virtual machine. Its support for multicores are poorly made. Thats why even latest devices (maded by a punch of copycats) still lags.

Android device maded by a gang of thiefs and leaded by the worlds largest spy/thief. This gang tracks everything you do, saves your whole life in dataservers. Then it sells your life for anyone who is willing to pay for it.

Luckily there is better option and that OS is in many ways better. It is WP and all those thief gang members are paying license fees for MS!

Just waiting for another laggy row of icons appearing and smiling for it through a good OS! ;)

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 14:56 3

2. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)

This however is not looking good for samsung...no wonder their are pinning their hopes on tizen

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:17 3

19. konnor (Posts: 30; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)

Tizen is fugly and is DOA. They should stop wasting resources on it. Even Microsoft's WP8 that's supported by several companies isn't going anywhere fast, and Samsung thinks their own ugly OS and with terrible SDK's will achieve anything?

If anything, Samsung should support Ubuntu Touch. Now that's something I'd like to see them do. And Canonical has already done most of the work for them. They just need to slap it on some devices.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 18:52 4

132. Martin_Cooper (Posts: 1599; Member since: 30 Jul 2013)

1. It isnt ugly. Its a subjective subject so it might be ugly to you but pretty to many other. 2. Samsung has Intel into this and they both are throwing lots of money and time to make it work. 3. Do you even know how ugly and slow android was just 3 years ago? 4, No one said Samsung will leave android next year for tizen. They will just develop and promote it until it becomes competitive to android and then jump the ship. They could easily make an S5 with android and S5 with tizen and make the tizen model cheaper but same specs to get more people. And continue doing that until they get tizen full of users and developers. 5. Samsung wants an OS that it has full control over rather than making phones for another company OS. It will give them faster updates too and they can make perfect phone with software specifically designed for it..

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 06:16 1

179. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)

Tizen will fail just like its earlier version Meego. Nokia knew about this and luckily jumped out of boat.

posted on 11 Aug 2013, 08:59

202. Martin_Cooper (Posts: 1599; Member since: 30 Jul 2013)

NOKIA knew what? They made 1-2 meego phones and that was it? They had no support from other companies. They had no real cash and will to make it work. Give meego to google and I bet you they could make it best OS ever for phones. Its all about money, time and how much you want to invest. MS has billions to waste on WP8. Nokia didnt have billions per year just to start a new OS. Now you got the BIGGEST mobile manufacturer on the planet with nearly 50-60% of world smartphone market, you got the biggest chipset company INTEL. Lots of cash, ideas and time and its going to fail? LOL

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 14:57 13

3. PootisMan (Posts: 259; Member since: 02 Aug 2013)

Well said. I believe that the Android platform has advanced to a point where super high end specs don't really matter anymore because its the smooth user experience that makes the difference. I know some people with a gs4 for example and despite having superior specs compared to my Nexus 4, my phone seems to be consistently smoother and faster according to my friends who own the gs4. Software optimization is what really matters in the end.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:34 6

29. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)

What about android phones docking to become a desktop screen? That requires a lot more power than any android phone has now.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 16:20 2

68. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)

Agreed. Mid-ranged specs + higher os optimization = low cost w/ greater user experience = happy consumers.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 16:24 7

76. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

That's one of the weird things though. Sometimes even if you have a device that has great performance, a lower price can influence the user to believe that the phone isn't as good. Sometimes a premium price is necessary to reinforce the idea that the user is buying a premium product. Psychology is weird like that.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 18:14 5

126. ZeroCide (Posts: 785; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)

This is the Apple frame of mind. You buy junk at high prices. Then you believe you are a superstar.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 16:23 3

71. SleepingOz (unregistered)

It's a good thing that Google is focusing more on the Android experience and Android powered devices are powerful enough for now, high ends at least.
But like Shatter said(and according to many KLP leaks also), more and more people will be able to use Android as desktop replacement, so I don't think the specs race will stop anytime soon.

posted on 23 Aug 2013, 14:36

212. rallyguy (Posts: 620; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)

I see this coming also. Google already has their Chrome OS on Chromebooks. I see the Android phone and computer being fully integrated in the future.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:01 10

4. bawboh86 (Posts: 10; Member since: 05 Jun 2013)

Unfortunately, the Android folks are still going to insult WP8 and iOS devices because they don't have the specs. As an Android-turned-WP8 user, I agree that you haven't had to worry about lag or issues with Android for a while, but Android fanboys still like to rip on Lumias and HTC WP8 devices for using "year old tech" even though they don't NEED the high specs because the experience is pretty danged good without.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:04 7

7. belovedson (Posts: 1052; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)

i had windows. windows sucks because its closed unlike wm 6.5 and the lack of software

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:09 8

13. Credo (Posts: 749; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)

For the normal consumer it don't matters if it is closed or open, they don't even know what that means ...


posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:11 7

15. bawboh86 (Posts: 10; Member since: 05 Jun 2013)

As a consumer, tech enthusiast, and software developer, I DO know what it means, and don't care. I personally like Windows Phone. But I'm also of the mindset of "to each their own." I don't like iOS, but my sister LOVES it. I got bored of Android, but my GF LOVES her's. Whatever makes you happy is really what matters.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 15:12 4

18. Credo (Posts: 749; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)

+920 ...

posted on 09 Aug 2013, 01:03

165. joey_sfb (Posts: 6544; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)

If you get easily bored than wp8 will only last you for weeks. I have one and I don't know what to do with it except selling it for a lost. I asking my mom whether she want it.

Mistake..at least my Windows 7 PC I used it for game regularly.

posted on 08 Aug 2013, 17:50 8

121. 14545 (Posts: 1671; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)

I'm tired of the argument of the "normal" consumer. What, am I not a normal consumer because I want to actually be able to use my device at it's full potential? Yes, people are stupid and will pay more money for something they don't have to "learn" how to use. We are lazy like that. I want a good experience and the best specs money can buy if I'm going to pay a premium price. It would be no different than you paying 1k for a x brand i3 ivy bridge and me paying the same for a y brand haswell i5. I would rather spend my money on experience and specs, not just pad moto's pocket for screwing me. (or apple, etc.) I don't care if I can't distinguish between 1920x1080 and 1280x720, I still want the 1080 if I can get it for the same price. It would be a waste of money to not get the best specs if the cost is the same. I mean look at samsung(of which I had everything but samsung until the other OEM's said to hell with me and stopped supporting SD's, and larger batteries, looking at you HTC and Moto) they are the most successful by throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks. I think google would be wise to not go the way of apple too much without risking alienation of their base.

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