Android Lollipop might put an end to easy rooting, decries Chainfire

Uh, oh, Google, what have you done? Under the hood, Android 5.0 Lollipop is not like any other release in history, as it does away with Dalvik, and throws us into the era of 64-bit mobile computing. Those desirable changes will bring over some not-so-welcome ones, too, according to the renowned root master Chainfire...
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59 Comments

12. Takeharu

Posts: 283; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

How are you gonna flash without a decent recovery? Many phones I know don't even have a recovery anymore so that will be troublesome. And who knows what will happen to Flashtool and adb, perhaps they really lock it down.

15. Rydsmith unregistered

You obviously know not what you speak of.

9. Takeharu

Posts: 283; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

I hope there will be a workaround since I really need root: custom roms, custom recovery, Xposed, AdAway, Viper4Android and a lot more.

18. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

I want root just for root features of apps. I do very lil ROM flashing these days. I havent been flashing ROMs as much starting in late 2010.

19. xondk

Posts: 1904; Member since: Mar 25, 2014

While I understand why those that like rooting are a bit annoyed by this, increased security is a good thing my mind, especially so if it is done in an effort to keep people from hacking/spying e.t.c. your phone, but lets not forget that almost everything that has said is unhackable has been hacked, if not everything. However if the difficulty increases it will keep the 'easy' hackers away, at the very least until someone makes a general hacking tool for them to use, and by then google can have changed something with an update. Like virus/anti virus, hacking and hacking protection is going to keep evolving and changing , old stuff gets hacked and gets replaced by new stuff, and such. As for them 'closing' the android OS, maybe they are, but as long as it doesn't disrupt/annoy/or in another way is negative to the normal user, is that really so bad? if so, why is it bad? Hope someone can explain it, if they think it is bad.

21. trqster

Posts: 175; Member since: May 17, 2013

Google needs to take control of Android a bit....with too much 'freedom' comes too much 'chaos'...as all he hideous OEM skins out there prove... For the common Android user (+95% of people out there) there's no real usefulness in rooting/modding anyways.

22. LuckyS

Posts: 154; Member since: Dec 07, 2013

.loki flash will still be possible, even with locked bootloader. If all devices become unrootable, I for sure will abandon android and actively persuade people to do the same. I'll close google account and stop using their services and products.

45. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Thats the thing...all devices wont become unrootable. Nexus, GPE, developer editions. And Sony and Samsung have been very root, ROM friendly over recent years. I'm not settling....but no more root is ok by me. When the heavy customization just from apps goes...then I will definitely leave. And look at WP a lil more closer.

58. madscientist_42

Posts: 2; Member since: Nov 21, 2014

Samsung ROM friendly? Seriously? Tell that to Verizon and Samsung, from someone that had to TowelRoot his phone after he made the mistake of upgrading his S4 to the latest. There's apps that need Root perms for security researchers and professionals- and unless you can score a Dev edition phone...you're not getting Root with any Samsung on any of the mainline networks.

23. Hatshipuh

Posts: 163; Member since: Aug 09, 2012

"This means that the root has to be at the kernel level, and you can't install custom kernel without root." How come I could install a root enabled kernel on the unrootable Lollipop preview? And it took a mere 5 minutes to achieve root. Which means the only unrootable Android devices with Lollipop and up will be the bootloader locked devices mostly from carriers. Why is it that more and more PA articles with false information pile up? Readers should learn more information, not correct them.

43. Topcat488

Posts: 1411; Member since: Sep 29, 2012

I got my Note 4 from T-Mobile... I'm FFFRRRREEEEEEEEEE! O.o

59. madscientist_42

Posts: 2; Member since: Nov 21, 2014

That's because you bypassed all of that with something that flashloaded it all, including the unsecure bootloader, built by someone with skills. Without root permissions, you have to LOKI or similar the ROM onto the device- you can't use root tools/exploits/etc. under most circumstances (I can assure you they freaked when Geohot nailed them with TowelRoot- because they were trying to lock the damn things down.)

24. nightfury

Posts: 77; Member since: Dec 04, 2013

rooting is such a delight to have , it opens up so many hidden android features and android is tasted in a well cooked way in a rooted android phone... unlimited apps like greenify xposed BBS etc which r our fav requuire root, cynogen PA omni roms bring unlimited customizations to the table...over clocking, under clocking changing voltage at different freq etc... google u cant steal this freedom........plzzzzzzzzz

25. bendgate unregistered

This is bad.

27. jesusnexo unregistered

Mehh. I only block ads with that, and even then there is a way to do it without ads

28. Cyberchum

Posts: 1014; Member since: Oct 24, 2012

Ha, the beauty of Android is about to pale. Time for another (open) OS to take over. Even without root, android is better than the competition but haven used root features and gotten fond of them, you won't want to settle for less.

46. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

The beauty of Android is so much bigger than root tho. I do get what you are saying tho.

57. diyi75

Posts: 72; Member since: Oct 30, 2013

Only for amateurs

31. Dee79

Posts: 307; Member since: Jun 19, 2014

Massive mistake if android goes on lock down! I buy android phones so I can customise it how I want and if I cant then whats the point in android anymore dont do it android. U going the wrong direction. If something isnt broken then dont try and fix it. If how ever google wants to lock android down then just do it to thos who want it locked. Ie the government.

32. Dee79

Posts: 307; Member since: Jun 19, 2014

Massive mistake if android goes on lock down! I buy android phones so I can customise it how I want and if I cant then whats the point in android anymore dont do it android. U going the wrong direction. If something isnt broken then dont try and fix it. If how ever google wants to lock android down then just do it to thos who want it locked. Ie the government.

35. sprockkets

Posts: 1612; Member since: Jan 16, 2012

Nobody but the carriers and any one else that disallows bootloader unlocking is stopping you. Google's nexus devices will be unlockable as usual.

40. MorePhonesThanNeeded

Posts: 645; Member since: Oct 23, 2011

Loads of cries in here from folks who only read the headline and nothing else. It's a by-product of shifting to a 64bit OS, so they removed all the crappy legacy stuff that makes the OS vulnerable as you the more popular an OS the bigger target it becomes for the unscrupulous. The XDA and others will come to terms and figure out something in time, but for Google and it's users are concerned rooting isn't something the majority of Android users give a crap about, it's simple use and customization along with affordability. Rooting is for the power user who likes to do those things, pretty sure once the source code is out these guys will be on top of it. As for the complainers, reading is fundamental. Some comments are mega facepalm through the face to the back of your head worthy. Humans why are we so quick to judge and so less inclined to listen to reason.

47. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Good point....many must have forgot the changes to desktop OS's too with the shift to 64bit.

44. tacarat

Posts: 853; Member since: Apr 22, 2013

Rooting is for playing, fixing or customizing. Remove the need for fixing and I can live without it. Fixing, to me, includes blocklists for adult sites my kids don't need access to. My customizing doesn't require root, but it helps. I can live without the playing. My phone would probably thank me for it. Updates still require ROMs and an unlocked bootloader. That's a different ball of wax.

48. diyi75

Posts: 72; Member since: Oct 30, 2013

If vendors allowed bloatware to be removed(not disabled) like wp, then i would not need to root. I hate bloatware!

53. roscuthiii

Posts: 2383; Member since: Jul 18, 2010

Another, "the sky is falling" article to generate "the sky is falling" clicks & comments. How many iterations now has some dire warning about locked-down phones and even the end of the Nexus line been posted?

54. AndyJenk

Posts: 1; Member since: Oct 25, 2014

Does Lollipop stop snooping or just stop anyone other than Google from snooping? I notice that with KitKat Google's Apps have full access to data on my SD card and if I attach the card via USB ANY app still has full access to my data. Security? Don't make me laugh!

55. BlackKatana

Posts: 1; Member since: Oct 31, 2014

Some comments here are a shame of humanity. Now really, if natural selection says anything ,people who think "well, root, no need for it!", really should be euthanized. To answer the question of why root is essential, let me ask another question. Would you buy a car with a locked motor compartment, where if anything doesnt work, fck you? Would you buy a PC where entering C "Drive" is forbiddden? This is a fcking joke. Jesus christ. Supposedly for being a techsite, commenters here are extraordinarily on the low end of the IQ spectrum.One guy up there said "we dont need note series, we got a nexus, no need to root aswell"? Really? How retarded has one got to be to think that rooting made just because of Titanium Backup App? Really? This move by google is to deny people who root the right to remove bloatware and and block ads. This is just more $$$ for google and carriers. I'll be dammned if I update to 5.0, at least until somebody finds a workaround to that.

56. diyi75

Posts: 72; Member since: Oct 30, 2013

I 100% agree with you. I also thought this was a site for techies, but with all the idiotic responses to an important issue as this, I'm beginning to wonder.
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