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Analysts: Stephen Elop must turn around Nokia by early 2013 or else

0. phoneArena posted on 19 Sep 2012, 17:07

Nokia CEO Stephen Elop's days at the Finnish based handset maker might be numbered according to the thoughts of some analysts who say that he has until early2013 to turn things around at the handset maker or else he will lose his job...

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posted on 19 Sep 2012, 17:57 2

14. krimHD (Posts: 106; Member since: 23 May 2012)

are they still giving him till next year??? whats with them?

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 18:10 2

16. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)

Is it just me or does he always have the "I just farted" look on his face

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 18:11 6

17. dreamflasher00 (Posts: 8; Member since: 19 Sep 2012)

I dont get this..
Lumia 20's phone they say is jus a refreshed version of older Lumia's..
well they got..better display..better camera..dual core..bigger size..NFC n all that...but still these phones are jus refreshed from older Lumia's..
same people when Apple gets iPhone 5..which has little difference from 4s..they call it a revolutionary phone ...lol...

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 18:54 1

22. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)

One can only wonder who is paying the "professional" tech journalists these days.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 20:10 1

33. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

anything with an apple symbol on the back is revolutionary. The brand prints money.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 18:24 1

18. unbiasedcommenter (Posts: 11; Member since: 29 Aug 2012)

I'm excited for the Lumia 920 to see some real hands-on and actually considering a switch from Android for it, from a purely hardware standpoint. It's probably one of the most underrated announcements these past few weeks. That said, Nokia really needs to diversify their portfolio, would love to see that hardware on the Android ecosystem as well. Putting all their eggs in one basket is very risky, they make great hardware and should try to sell it in as many markets as possible. Just my two cents.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 20:39 1

38. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

Agree, but many who think "Android" think Samsung, and less so Motorola and HTC, so it is hard to break that mentality. Look at Sony, LG, and Pantech: great products, don't sell super great because most will just buy a Galaxy S3 if they can afford it.

I I have a sense that a lot of folk saying Nokia should go Android are holding onto Android like an older child holds onto their childhood teddy bears, not wanting to move on from what is comfortable onto something better suited for them.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 18:41 3

20. papss (unregistered)

Here's the thing.. It's easy to say "just make a android phone" but you can't just make one. It takes time and resources that they don't seem to have. They should focus on w8 and then work on other ventures. You could point at any phone manufacture and see there faults.. I personally don't see W8 as a lost cause.. Where would Samsung have been if they didn't bet on android? Hell where would android be? Also Linux is s**t except in phones lol lets be honest

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 20:38 1

37. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

They totally could by:

1) Using the Stock UI (which tech geeks would LOVE), but add in some nice widgets and backgrounds and such to the stock resources for people who want to customize or like polished widgets and backgrounds.

2) Use basically same hardware that is on Lumia 920, except with a real PUREVIEW camera. Camera fans will buy it. Thickness wont matter, the Pureview 808 isnt as thick as most cameras anyway, or even as thick as old school nokia's we put in our pockets. Sure, thick compared to modern smartphones, but who's to say that its good to have a phone that thin?

3) Classic, good nokia build quality. Nokia's windows phones are pretty much copy pastes of HTC, Samsung, LG, Apple. Nokia's signature design style is pretty much lost on these. Great way to get the nokia fans back.

4) Put in nokia exclusive apps, such as Nokia Maps and Ovi Store with Symbian app compatibility. Another great way to win over the nokia fanbase.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 20:49 1

40. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

That would take months to do, if not longer, just for coding, testing, and quality control, and even longer for added features like camera, NFC, software, etc, and they have to either develop it themselves to avoid patent infringements or pay royalties to someone else for theirs, which means even more time and money.

It isn't happening, quit asking.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 18:41 3

21. bigstrudel (Posts: 523; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)

I sure hope HTC and Nokia stick around because if Samsung and Apple are the only two smartphone companies around; Ill go back to a flip phone.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 20:01 1

30. pookiewood (Posts: 631; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)

that's exactly what I was thinking. If Nokia, HTC go under, if Nokia, HTC and Samsung goes exclusively Android or If MS stops making Windows Phones then sign me up for a Flip Phone from Ebay!

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 18:56 1

23. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 4292; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)

No, Android is not the key to Nokia's success. If Nokia wanted to adopt Android, it would have long back.
Nokia and Symbian are like two adopted brothers in a family...and Windows is the latest family member, apart from a short term MeeGo.
If Stephen has that much time left, he better start doing something good before his ass gets fired by himself...my advice would be to stick to whatever they have and develop the necessary interface and hardware to the point where innovation comes afresh.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 19:08 2

25. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)

I am negative about Nokia's lame launch, where availability and price for the 920/820 were not announced. However, the turnaround seems to be marching along systematically. Consider production for the 920/820 are now in-house (new factory tooling, China) as opposed to a third party familiar with WP. Also consider how successful Nokia has been with its location based service assets, now powering Bing, Yahoo, and...AMAZON (not to mention a myriad of other platforms)! In terms of new hardware tech, consider Nokia has commericalized PureView, delivered built in wirless charging based on int'l standards, married NFC and wireless charging to accessories powered by heavy hitting brands like Harmon/JBL, delivered the first super sensitive HD+ screen tech to the market that exceeds Retina's PPI, and created a design franchise around Lumia. The story is a good one, if it's actually communicated to consumers. Until the 920/820 are in carrier channels, most of this good news will be drowned out by competitive noise.

This is where Nokia's execution needs to improve. Nokia needs to annouce and then deliver ina few weeks, not a few months. For sure, Elop has made major improvements in this area...but it is still not up to the supply chain execution of Apple.

If Nokia can actually get the 920 to AT&T consumers before the end of October '12, then I think the tide will begin to turn in the Finns favor. They need exposure soonest, because the products are IMO terrific.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 20:57

45. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

What's that about a China factory? I thought they were shifting production from Korea and Mexico back to Finland and other parts of Europe, though with the ongoing economic turmoil in Europe it wouldn't surprise me if it's done in Asia

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 19:27 3

27. whatever... (Posts: 1; Member since: 19 Sep 2012)

I've had the Palm Phones, Early Windows Phones (lol) blackberries for business, had the HTC EVO and currently use a GSII. the rest of our office staff use the 4S...

I consider myself a normal business/personal / phone user who loves TECH...

Although I've been very happy with the GS II it's far from perfect and has been laggy... with occassional reboots... Samsung makes a great product.

I Plan on purchasing the Nokia LUMINA 920... because I want a phone that that impresses... NOKIA just needs to get the phone out to the people and I'm sure it will impress others compared to the latest and greatest favortism.

I read all these forums an honestly, what a bunch overhyped editorial crap... We all should be thankful that WP is on deck and all should hope it grabs marketshare... competition is good for us consumers across all platforms.


posted on 19 Sep 2012, 20:07 2

32. pookiewood (Posts: 631; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)

Totally sorry posting from a phone and when I tried to thumbs you up it thumbed you down. Great post! Competition is great and Windows Phone is great. It kind of disheartening that most of the comments are negative against it. I really don't want Android and I think iOS is so boring. I'm glad MS is still in the smartphone game and anyone that wants to work with them I wish them the best.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 21:03 1

46. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

PA needs a way to undo votes

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 19:48 2

28. tiara6918 (Posts: 2110; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)

The only way for nokia to survive the next couple of years is to kick elop out now...

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 20:00

29. ChangMin2012 (Posts: 87; Member since: 14 Apr 2012)

HTC should buy up Nokia and add an android phone, then maybe there will be a time for recovery for Nokia.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 20:12 2

34. papss (unregistered)

HTC should worry about their business

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 20:46

39. ChangMin2012 (Posts: 87; Member since: 14 Apr 2012)

Nah, they can hold on their own.
Soon, they can go up against that second-rate imitating excuse of a brand called samsung...

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 20:13 2

35. pookiewood (Posts: 631; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)

Elop is just fine and the Phandroids want Nokia so bad that it's pathetic. Why keep posting the cra these analyst spout? It's nothing but negative! I really hope the 920 makes them and these tech sites eat their words. You know you are full of **** when you say the 920 is an incremental update and not mention the iPhone 5 in that same sentence. Talk about incremental.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 20:52 1

41. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

Their WP strategy is a losing one. They will not turn around playing the exclusive game. On the other hand HTC will move up. Sorry Nokia, there's no winning sleeping with ATT. You're not the only on ATT folks are excited about.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 20:52

42. lyndon420 (Posts: 4963; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)

Google should buy nokia :-)

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 21:09 1

47. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

They already bought Motorola and had enough trouble with that, and it hasn't been exactly profitable, and has incurred more lawsuits.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 20:55 1

43. jack1059 (Posts: 72; Member since: 31 Mar 2012)

Why does this bozo still have a job? Rode nokia down from roughly 35% marketshare and profitiability to now what 4% marketshare, money losing, and shares listed as junk. Good god nokia. Give me the ceo job. Ill destroy your company for half of what elop gets.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 23:15

51. nt6660 (Posts: 3; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)

I feel that so many hate here for Elop. Definitely Elop could not stay at Nokia forever. But to fire a CEO, you will have to look into many things such as current performance comparing to previous year performance (revenue, cash flow and cost). I have limited knowlege on Nokia performance but It seems that it's cash flow and cost are improving. One more thing on Andriod on Nokia phone, If Nokia could put its map on Android, Nokia may have an Android phone already. As Nokia decided to be a "Where company", that means it strategy totally clash with Google.

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 23:25 1

52. pegasso (Posts: 285; Member since: 27 Nov 2011)

6 million Symbian versus (less than) 4 million Windows Phone.
Nokia should listen to their customers, not microsoft...
many Nokia users still prefer "the so-called dying OS" instead WP.
WP is just a pretty face, it can't beat Symbian in term of performance.
Symbian might not be as pretty as WP, but it still a better OS than WP...

posted on 19 Sep 2012, 23:44

53. economist (Posts: 2; Member since: 13 Sep 2012)

Nokia has made the biggest mistake ever by abandoning Meego and Symbian and by not producing an Android phone. Elop has been just Microsoft's Trojan horse so they could fine a hardware company that could control completely and then make Nokia to take the risk of WP software. It was a brilliant move from Balmer to push Elop in Nokia! Microsoft found guinea pigs for their mobile OS and Nokia took all the risk. At the same time Nokia abandoned all they long time policies of dedication to the customer and from a company of innovation turned to a servant of Microsoft.

Such bad decisions should be paid by Nokia! And I think Nokia deserves to go bankrupt.

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