Analyst: Nokia Lumia 1020 and Sony Xperia Z both off to a slow start in the states

Wall Street analyst William Power toils for R.W. Baird and as part of his job, he checked out AT&T and T-Mobile stores to get the lay of the land on a couple of hot phones; the two handsets are the Nokia Lumia 1020 and the Sony Xperia Z. Ever since CES at Las Vegas in January, the Sony Xperia Z has captured quite a buzz with its water and dust resistant capabilities and top-shelf specs...
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21. darkkjedii

Posts: 30966; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

I hope that wasn't meant for me, cuz not only do I really like wp8, I purchased the HTC 8X at retail for my fiancé. If you're talking to me you're very much mistaken. Don't go by other users, research the jedii yourself. When you rely on others you gain no credibility.

25. Mr-Robert

Posts: 23; Member since: Jul 27, 2013

But you was a Android Troll befor! A Apple fanboy! So now your what....?

31. darkkjedii

Posts: 30966; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

There will be no pointless arguing, I said what I needed to say. Argue with someone else.

52. cam-whore

Posts: 164; Member since: Feb 21, 2013

"DON'T FEED THE TROLL" A troll usually has little or no interest in contributing to the development of the site in question and is interested in some or all of the following: -Deliberately angering people. -Breaking the normal flow of debate/discussion. -Disrupting the smooth operation of the site. -Deliberately being annoying for the sake of being obnoxious. For instance, using abusive names to refer to all the members on the site. -Pretending to be profoundly ignorant or stupid, gleaning some weird sense of having "won" when other users subsequently come to believe this. -Making itself the main topic of interest or discussion. {{DFTT}}

54. cam-whore

Posts: 164; Member since: Feb 21, 2013

"DON'T FEED THE TROLL" A troll usually has little or no interest in contributing to the development of the site in question and is interested in some or all of the following: -Deliberately angering people. -Breaking the normal flow of debate/discussion. -Disrupting the smooth operation of the site. -Deliberately being annoying for the sake of being obnoxious. For instance, using abusive names to refer to all the members on the site. -Pretending to be profoundly ignorant or stupid, gleaning some weird sense of having "won" when other users subsequently come to believe this. -Making itself the main topic of interest or discussion. {{DFTT}}

11. InspectorGadget80 unregistered

Could of told u that non sense analyst. Xperia Z and Nokia are EXCLUSIVE too certain carrier. now if NOKIA/SONY would PURE MILLION of dollars in advertisement like Samsung did last few years and put their phones on every CARRIER/PREPAID they would sell lots. those are the only top two phones i love in this industry

15. pwnarena

Posts: 1129; Member since: Feb 15, 2013

i'm really fascinated by this "could of" expression. where does that come from?

33. reybat115

Posts: 1; Member since: Jul 29, 2013

I believe it comes from when people say could've to mean could have. when you're typing quickly, or if you pick up the habit, I would imagine "could" and "of" could be typed based on the similar sound. just a theory. :)

47. InspectorGadget80 unregistered

my fault i talk too fast sometimes every now and then.

32. jdoee100

Posts: 334; Member since: Jun 04, 2013

Even if Nokia/Sony had spent millions of dollars in ad, the result would have been the same, because neither company had products like the S series. Samsung have been successful because they had great ad campaign plus great products. Nokia and Sony lacked both, not just ad money.

12. Techboi

Posts: 84; Member since: Sep 20, 2012

That news really isn't surprising at all.

23. Reluctant_Human

Posts: 913; Member since: Jun 28, 2012

It seems to me like Wallstreet and analysts are pushing Nokia stock prices down for some reason. It makes no sense that they had a 29% growth in the last quarter but didn't meet expectations.

26. Mr-Robert

Posts: 23; Member since: Jul 27, 2013

Cause no one buys or wants Nokia phones. Windows8 is not doing well so isn't WP8....! From 2001 to 2011it RIP, WindowsMobile was struggling with sales! What good would WP8 achieve..... ? The same theory.

53. cam-whore

Posts: 164; Member since: Feb 21, 2013

"DON'T FEED THE TROLL" A troll usually has little or no interest in contributing to the development of the site in question and is interested in some or all of the following: -Deliberately angering people. -Breaking the normal flow of debate/discussion. -Disrupting the smooth operation of the site. -Deliberately being annoying for the sake of being obnoxious. For instance, using abusive names to refer to all the members on the site. -Pretending to be profoundly ignorant or stupid, gleaning some weird sense of having "won" when other users subsequently come to believe this. -Making itself the main topic of interest or discussion. {{DFTT}}

28. thelegend6657 unregistered

What ??? I actually seen quite a lot of xperia z/zl around , they are cheaper (unlocked) than Galaxy s4(both variant)/HTC One . In this country google nexus 4 wasnt sold by Google but LG , making it around usd 450 for the 16GB model . Also , most phones here are sold unlocked / The Zl is just beautiful and good value , personally i like the slim bezel and i dont need/want to pay extra for a fingerprint magnet and waterprove stuff . It's upper mid range price territory yet still hold its own against GS4/HTC ONE

34. lovefist unregistered

The article is about sales in the STATES not in Europe Asia Africa what ever.

35. snowgator

Posts: 3621; Member since: Jan 19, 2011

Hmmmm...... negative stories about horrid sales after the 1020 has been out, like what- 15 mnutes?? REALLY??? I do not think anyone who looks at mobile with an open mind did not realize the 1020 was not going to be a 20 million unit seller, It is exclusive to one carrier, it is pricey, and it is a device aimed at a very specific buyer. Excuse me for being the one to stae the obvious, but it will take a few months to judge this. As for Sony, they have been fighting for shelf space VS. Sammy, HTC, and Motorola, at least here in the states. They are a high class device maker and I truly believe they will be fine. But again, give it time. And as a side note, the struggles of Sony with Android on it show once for all that a Nokia Android device would not be a slam dunk all the WP bashers on our site seem to think it would be. If Sony is struggling for sales, so would Nokia. Period.

41. Droid_X_Doug

Posts: 5993; Member since: Dec 22, 2010

"If Sony is struggling for sales, so would Nokia. Period." Sony's travail is due to overdosing on stupid pills - releasing their phones in the U.S. on the 2nd and 4th size carriers is a plan to FAIL, second only in magnitude of stupidity to Nokia's exclusivity with AT&T. Between VZW and Sprint, Sony is giving the middle-fingered wave to 47% of the U.S. cellular market (31% (VZW) and 16% (Sprint)). Nokia's exclusivity with AT&T is costing it an additional 12% from T-Mo. Say goodbye to 59% of the market. If I had produced a business plan when I was looking for venture funding in one of my businesses that said I was going to pass on 47% or 59% of the market for the software development I was looking to fund, I would have had a promising career as a comedian, but not an entrepreneur. snow, when you are looking to grow market share, making your product incompatible with a large segment of the market is almost a certain way to not make sales. An Android edition of the L1020 might not have made 20 m in sales, but not offering an Android edition coupled with being exclusive to AT&T is almost a guarantee of minimal sales.

45. snowgator

Posts: 3621; Member since: Jan 19, 2011

I am not arguing strategy, Doug. Like I said above, Nokia's decision to go with AT&T only is like taking off your shoes before you kick a football. More then likely you are going to really stub your own toe. It's just silly to think Nokia's decision to enter into an exclusive contract with MS is the sole reason for their sluggish sales. Android is the standard, and if I am close it is 65% of worldwide sales. But Samsung is like 40% of those sales (which is close to 75% of Android sales). That leaves about 20-25 OEM's fighting for the last 15% of worldwide sales. Nokia would still most likely be in the single digit % of those sales, just as they are now. But what they get with WP is 250 mill a quarter from MS for development and a developing ecosystem they are king of. As long as it continues to trend up, Nokia is okay. I think they are in year 3 going into year 4 of a five year deal with MS. In year 5, they can make decisions based on market performance and do it from a much leaner, efficient hardware company. I would love to see Nokia do a line of Android phones. But I just don't get the "Nokia's troubles would be over if..." arguments when most posters are not looking at the whole picture.

43. deburocks

Posts: 126; Member since: Apr 20, 2013

and here in india , samsung is available in 12 months emi scheme with exchange. Whereas maximum nokia offering is 6 months..people are rather blind and copy cats, if they see a cheap crap used by anybdy else they will going to buy it as well. Thats the case vid two top sellers.. Nokia,s marketing strategy is rather limited as compared to sammy. Same goes for htc which which dosent even have 10% of of marketing that sammy does here in india. Marketing plays a huge part and so does advt. Nokia should rather put more effort on how sophisticated windows os is. Cause even chinese companies are now manufacturing way too much better phones then the top selling oem.. Take the example of mmx, karbonn, lava, cellkon etc who sell sort f same identical stuff at low prices then sammy, and they have eaten its market. Whereas on the ther hand i cant see any awesum windows mobile other then nokia, and no cheap chinese companies with windows.... Dats a big added advantage like iphns. Gear up nokia long way to go

44. mousesports

Posts: 286; Member since: Feb 28, 2013

trolls spoted ... kill yourselfs

48. isprobi

Posts: 797; Member since: May 30, 2011

Nokia 1020 has nice camera but nothing else new. Xperia Z is just another Android phone. BlackBerry may ultimately be doomed but at least they came out with a new efficient gesture based OS that nobody else has. I do not want specs for the sake of specs or gimmick features. I want usability and efficiency.

50. cdgoin

Posts: 614; Member since: Jul 28, 2010

What part of they are low stocked, and even MS isn't shipping their preorders till Friday.. ? Seems like someone is making up stuff.. This is typical.. keep the price high and interest hig while they roll out.. once the roll out is finished and they are stocked everywhere, cut the price and push product. DUH.

51. x01hst

Posts: 13; Member since: May 21, 2012

Sony, always too late start sale in US.

55. GeekMovement unregistered

It would have had a better start if it came to all US Carriers. I'm not surprised the galaxy s4 and iPhone 5 leads in sales.
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