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After winning $368 million from Apple in court, VirnetX back again for more

0. phoneArena posted on 10 Nov 2012, 04:05

VirnetX recently won a $368 million award against Apple in court; using the same patents, VirnetX says that Apple's new products like the Apple iPhone 5, the Apple iPad mini and other newer devices with FaceTime, infringe on VirnetX's IP...

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posted on 10 Nov 2012, 07:30 3

26. lyndon420 (Posts: 5002; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)

A million bucks per device sold to date would be fair and appropriate.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 07:44 2

29. shamataa (Posts: 241; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)

Go Viretx. please milk out all of their money and send them back to hell where they belong!.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 08:00

31. medicci37 (Posts: 1335; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)

@ shamataa I don't think that would be fair 2 the other people in hell. lol

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 07:57 1

30. medicci37 (Posts: 1335; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)

Aint karma a b*tch :-)

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 08:12

32. phil2n (Posts: 487; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)

now feel my wrath apple

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 08:16

33. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)

well, what goes around comes around. samsung better record what apple's attorney said about a small part of something big & complex during apple's law suit

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 09:36

38. elandrumiii (Posts: 109; Member since: 20 Mar 2010)

All of this is funny. Do you really think that they will stop the suits after this. If you get the big dog on the block the others will fall easily. And either Apple will pay and make an agreement or just buy them out and the sue everyone else. They are just as much a patent whore as Google was when it bought Moto just for the patents.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 09:53 2

41. MartyK (Posts: 947; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)

How come every time Apple get caugh doing something illegal or wrong, you ifan ALWAYS bring Google name in it?.

Why didn't you say MS or Nokia?, why always Google?.

I'm just curious, even Apple do this; stop being a crybaby and a snitch.

They got caught, now they are trying to rat everybody out!.

posted on 24 Nov 2012, 08:18

91. elandrumiii (Posts: 109; Member since: 20 Mar 2010)

You dare to throw that joke of a response ate me when all the comments about apple getting patents for others work and how they are patent trolls. Back away from the bar and put the peanuts down. iFan ? Nope android fan. Crybaby? Nope check your Huggies and get changed. They win its a fix the judge is biased. They lose then break them get all their money send them to hell. Even they are so greedy and evil. Sammy makes the most money no Apple. And why mention Google because they are the biggest patent hound the bought Moto. Now come with it. Never said Apple wasnt guilty just stated what the fall out could be. reading and comprehension not that hard.

posted on 24 Nov 2012, 16:21

92. Topcat488 (Posts: 1396; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)

Wow, you respond to a two week old post... I only kept following this article to see if i would get 50 thumbs ups... Chances are that Martyk already stopped following these comments, like i'm getting ready too do... You ought to be a lawyer for Apple or a really dedicated fan boy... Fact is, if Apple uses again the patent, they should pay again!!!

posted on 25 Nov 2012, 07:15

93. elandrumiii (Posts: 109; Member since: 20 Mar 2010)

Maybe because i dont live here and check your fanboy card its probably platinum

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 09:49 1

40. Friendlysky (Posts: 54; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)

Do it well don't let those rotten apple goes easy make sure go for the big one bite by bite.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 09:57

42. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 2226; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)

Payback is a bitch

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 10:06 1

45. Aeires (unregistered)

Reminds me of how Apple started tacking on Samsung products onto their lawsuit when they saw things going their way. Best comment of the case was when the Apple engineer said they didn't look at patents when they designed it but Apple goes out of their way when they think someone violated any of their patents. More R&D money needed?

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 10:19 1

46. ilia1986 (unregistered)


My 3rd favorite company - after Google and Samsung. :D

If I could - I would have supported it and bought VirnetX stocks.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 10:30 2

48. BadAssAbe (Posts: 465; Member since: 22 Apr 2011)

Company sues Apple for
secure communication link

Apple Sue's companys for
rounded corners


posted on 10 Nov 2012, 11:04 1

51. sonofzeus (Posts: 95; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)

The Hunter becomes the hunted

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 11:45 2

57. nosybummer (Posts: 17; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)

it's nothing but ''KARMA'' for apple

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 11:47 1

58. wizzardtech (Posts: 59; Member since: 12 Mar 2012)

Your saying that VirtnetX is greedy, but its even worst that Apple is greedy and evil

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 12:47 1

62. Quezdagreat (Posts: 428; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)

As long as they're not taking my iphone away from me and forcing me to use android, this is not a problem for me

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 14:23

67. tedkord (Posts: 14133; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

You're safe. It's only Apple that wants to eliminate other choices so they don't have to compete and become a niche producer, like happened with desktop computers.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 16:43 1

72. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4783; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

So if Apple does the same thing and tries to force me to use iOS, then that's ok? I've been saying all along that I think that companies who copy something meritous should compensate the inventor. The problem is Apple has been using patents as a way to eliminate competition. If they weren't in the financial situation they're in, they'd be open to monetary compensation, which is what the patent system was brought about for. It was not meant to use patents to eliminate competition, but to compensate the inventor for using their IP. Banning of products should only happen if the infringing party fails to compensate the inventor. Apple however is using the system to ban products right off the bat.

The argument that some have made that these lawsuits will spur innovation isn't quite correct. While the infringing party will have to find a way around the tech in question to comply, that's not innovation, it's finding another way to accomplish the same thing. Now just imagine if all of these companies could come to some kind of cross licensing agreement. Then they could be free to actually innovate without fear of litigation. Rather than wasting time finding new ways to do the same things, they could focus on coming up with completely new ideas/tech.

It may just be me, but that sounds much more efficient and quicker than what we currently have. But by all means, let's hope the current situation continues so one company can come out victorious & get a stranglehold on the industry. Because if one or even two companies get a lock on the industry, it will be almost impossible for new companies to come onto the scene.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 18:43

77. Quezdagreat (Posts: 428; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)

Ok I only read one sentence from your essay. The only company apple has being trying to ban is Samsung and the copycat devices.

There are plenty of android makers out there: Sony, htc, Motorola, huewei.

posted on 11 Nov 2012, 11:44

83. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4783; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

Actually no. They tried to ban the HTC One series for clickable links (phone numbers, addresses, etc) last spring. They tried to ban Moto and got it in Germany,except those were models due to be discontinued, and that was just a month or so ago.

As far as my "essay", it's a f***ing paragraph. Is your ADD so bad that you can't get through a paragraph? I shudder to think what would happen if you encountered a book. Sorry my comments are not "OMG, Appl sums & android rulz, this is EPIC!", and yes I misspelled those words on purpose. I apologize for learning to read and write, and I'm sure the education apologizes with me.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 12:54

63. vickygamit (Posts: 31; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)

VirtnetX is not greedy! they protecting own property!
go VirtnetX go!

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 14:37

68. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)

Wow. Everyone hates on Apple when they sue, because the patents are illegitimate. When Apple gets sued over an illegitimate patent, everyone is happy.
Awful double standard.

I want the patent wars to end. I don't care who is getting sued by whom anymore. Just stop. Everyone needs to get out of the courtroom and back to innovating.

VirnetX is nothing more than a patent troll.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 16:53 1

73. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4783; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

See my post (#72). The reason I think most are angry with Apple is what they're using the legal system for. If Apple took Microsoft's approach by licensing their IP rather than trying to ban the competition, there wouldn't be as much animosity with Apple. For that to work however Apple would have to agree to a similar price. That I believe is one of the main issues with this situation. They should have a standardized price for patents, even a tiered price structure depending on the importance of the patent. That way the only thing to determine is if infringement occurs or not. Everyone pays the same amount. It would be fair, but with lawyers helping determine the outcome, that'll never happen.

posted on 11 Nov 2012, 01:36

81. metoyou (Posts: 279; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

Do you know what Apple did? there are tons of reason WHY people act this way!
Just like they said 'you got beaten by your own stick"

posted on 11 Nov 2012, 09:16

82. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)

I'm fully aware of what Apple did, but that's no excuse.

More lawsuits will not solve the problem.

posted on 10 Nov 2012, 15:09

71. LionStone (Posts: 844; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)

Whoa, sh*t gettin real!

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