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After Android Ice Cream Sandwich will be Jelly Bean

0. phoneArena posted on 09 Sep 2011, 17:46

No real details are available, but reports are coming that the next official version of Android after the upcoming Ice Cream Sandwich will in fact be code-named Jelly Bean, and it's likely we can expect it next fall...

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posted on 11 Sep 2011, 03:00

73. getalife2203 (Posts: 10; Member since: 05 Jun 2010)

Nuts :P

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 19:21 4

13. Penny (Posts: 1672; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)

I'm sorry to be a troll on this one guys, but really, this is what happens with Android and why I don't recommend it to most normal users (not a salesperson). If Google didn't have the foresight to make sure the devices that run Android could update efficiently, then that means it was either a significant operational oversight (unlikely for such a large company) or their number 1 priority was just pushing out the OS rather than making a quality product (more likely, but unfortunate).

AGAIN, I know I'm going to get thumbs downed on this comment, but these are the types of decisions businesses have to make and are fully aware of when they are making them. I do think it is the truth if you look at it objectively.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 19:41

15. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)

umm dude, its just google's job to make the S/W, and send it out, it's up to the manufacturers like Samsung, HTC to put it on their devices.
Besides, all the nexus devices, that are certified by google, get all their updates,almost immediately :)

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 20:06

20. Penny (Posts: 1672; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)

That's exactly the point. It is the double-edged sword of having an OS as open as Android, where some manufacturers produce devices that can't be quickly or easily updated.

Making the OS as open as it is was a great move to gain market share quickly, but I feel that unless Android can resolve this issue very quickly (which I know they are working on Protozeloz), we will see Android lose a significant amount of market share (10-15%) over the next few years.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 19:43 5

17. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

People always say this about Android, but guess what? It doesn't matter. There are some extra features available in updates, but for the most part the apps work across everything. Also, there's just as much "fragmentation" on iOS with people not updating their phones, but no one cares, because just like with Android, it doesn't really matter. The apps work, no matter what.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 19:46

18. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

Actually this was an important part of this years IO google is interested in having android being better pushed to the consumer with a faster update schedule and a minimum of 2 years of support since launch. It's all to come with Ics or at least what I've heard. There is a clue about google giving some peeks to manufacturers that build devices under certain standard to have android ready for their other lines. Also their update schedule seems to have being moved to nearly a year apart. But I understand that you are saying. Maybe recommending nexus might be a good idea since they are up to date

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 20:10

21. Penny (Posts: 1672; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)

Yea you are right, Google does realize this issue and is trying to resolve it. Personally, I think they are going to be a little late to implement and will lose some market share over the next few years.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 20:43

23. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

That I can't seriously tell. I know their current share might be reduced. (and will see the biggest flame wars in history) but if Things are working fine around March then we might not be that big of a problem. But again it might be wishful thinking

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 20:51 4

28. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

I dont see the andriod expansion slowing anytime soon unless ICS is a complete flop or some unforseen thing happens. If ICS is solid and as neat as it sounds, its only going to speed up android growth, not retard it.

My understanding is that ICS will be less customizable by the manufacturers so that updates push out much quicker than in the past. With android 1.5/1.6/2.0/2.1 fragmentation was a major issue because the OS changed so much. From 2.1 on, its only been minor additions. Any phone that has 2.1 will run 100% of the apps in the market. There really isnt fragmentation anymore unless you have an old craptastic phone that needs an update.
2.1 and higher.. no fragmentation/compatibility issues... at this point, thats what 90% of android phones? Compared to this time last year when it was like 40%, thats a huge decrease in real fragmentation.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 21:12

29. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

People do not care that Apps work fine in 2.1 they want 2.2 features 2.3 performance boost and. Ics's user interface and they are Seeing other devices with them . I am yet to blame some devices with minor tweaks being shipped to different countries It pises people of that the d^2 for example is Updated and the milestone 2 is not. I believe some phones actually make androids growth Slower. The but it seems manufacturers are working on that. (samsumg shipping new phones with 2.3 for example or htc updating as fast as they can) people forget android is rather young and most its players were new to the game around a year ago.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 22:23

36. Penny (Posts: 1672; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)

I agree with what Prozeloz said in comment #29, and I would add that the notion that all Android 2.1+ phones can run all Apps in the market is false. For example, my brother has a Samsung Droid Charge with Android 2.2, and he can't use Skype properly. There are known installation issues even though Skype says the phone is supported, and even if he got it installed, Skype would only allow him to use the rear camera of his phone, which is pretty useless.

posted on 10 Sep 2011, 06:10

48. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

ok, 99% of apps.. lol. Now that is probably a charge issue though, or does it do that on all 2.2 phones?

the problem is that weve all been trained by earlier updates to think that we NEED the newest update because there is some great new thing in there. For the most part, its only been minor tweaks since 2.1 The 3 upgrades before that were all game changers. 2.2 added wifi calling, 2.3 forced phones onto Ext4 which sped a lot of them up, 2.3.3 added better google voice(i think) integration.

Android is on 2.3.6 right now, and noone but nexus fans/owners even know that.

posted on 10 Sep 2011, 08:02

53. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Btw penny - Google is your best friend


Took me exactly 10 seconds to find that:

"Oh, we should probably point out that if your phone is running 2.2, like the Thunderbolt and Charge, you won’t be able to use your front camera with it. Not sure what exactly Skype is thinking, but that’s what we have."

So yeah - There are problems with Skype on 2.2 Guess what -

1. That will probably be fixed when the phones get updated to GB
2. This can probably be fixed by installing a custom 2.3 rom
3. That isn't Android exclusive. iPad 2 also did not have front camera Skype support for a long long time. Not even sure if it does now.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 20:48

27. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

umm. penny.. did you actually read this?

this is about a NAME of an os that isnt going to come out till the end of 2012.. about the same time as iOS6. How is there a difference? Because they named it? Apple already did too. I fail to see a difference.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 22:19 1

35. Penny (Posts: 1672; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)

Not that I am an Apple fan, but by the time iOS6 comes around, all supported hardware from Apple (probably iPhone4+) will have the option of having iOS5. I can't say the same about Android users having Ice Cream Sandwich by the time Jelly Bean rolls around (lol, no pun intended).

I myself am a WP7 user, and I can say that I will have Mango before WP8 is released.

posted on 10 Sep 2011, 03:50

44. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Yes, Penny because Crapple makes only 1 phone a year - at most. Therefore it's easy for them to make sure that all of the existing phones on the market (which is usually a single digit number) get updated.

Nevertheless they are also not without faults. Remember the iPhone 2G? The first iPhone? Identical hardware to the iPhone 3G. Yet it didn't get updated to iOS4. Why? Greed of course.

posted on 10 Sep 2011, 06:13

49. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

see, and thats the mistake that a lot of laymen make about android. Android gets updated all the time and quicker than any other OS. If you want the updates, then u need a nexus device. Then you get first push direct from google. If you want to make sure u get the important updates, get a high end android phone. If you dont give a crap and like the way it works at that moment, get anything else.

Anything other than a nexus phone then you are being held up by manufacturers and ultimately carriers for your updates. Nexus phones are like iphones, they get direct updates from the head honchos. I wish all phones were capable of that, but carriers keep a stranglehold on their networks.

posted on 11 Sep 2011, 02:37

71. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)

nope, This year symbian had the most update of all the OS's out there but sadly (makes me cry) it is still waaaaaaay behind compared to android. . .

posted on 11 Sep 2011, 07:14

75. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

Symbian needed a remake. It needed to be eye catching and more feature wise

posted on 11 Sep 2011, 10:01

77. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Correction - it needed to be what it is now - back in late 2009 - instead of the S60v5 we got which was hideous.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 21:15

31. Dee808 (Posts: 7; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)

The average person that buy an Android phone has no idea about names or even build numbers. And if you told them about it can become confusing for some. iOS like always has made things simple for people no names one number and maybe "g".

I cant wait to see what Google bring to the table with ICS but if its ready for release then they already working on the next version "J".

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 21:34 1

34. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)

Really? Jelly Bean? That's the best Google can come up with? Really? Really? And lol, already on the next update and some phones STILL have Froyo, aka Galaxy Crap phones and the Thunderbolt and a few other crap Android devices on Verizon.

posted on 10 Sep 2011, 00:28 3

38. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

You have a better suggestion for J?

posted on 10 Sep 2011, 01:07

39. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

they should just stop on 'J' is my suggestion until all phones are caught up..

posted on 10 Sep 2011, 03:07

42. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

Why would they do that? All they need is a better update process and a way to tell people witch is going to get updates

posted on 10 Sep 2011, 04:10

45. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Which is irrelevant anyway because for almost every phone out there there is a custom rom which is better than the original.

posted on 10 Sep 2011, 06:14 4

50. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

good thing no one listens to your idiotic suggestions.

posted on 10 Sep 2011, 05:26

47. AKm007 (Posts: 108; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)

Yes miz, i know, it's so stupid right(sarcasm alert). IOS 5 is the most creative name anyone could ever have come up with. it absolutely rocks!!! :|

posted on 10 Sep 2011, 21:40

66. Phullofphil (Posts: 805; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)

Why do you hate android so much MIZ i have and iphone and i love it. But i also have an android droid x and soon a bionic and though is bugy sometimes(wich i think has somthing to do with what i download or i do to my phone) i really like the android os and in different ways is more usfull and easier and a better expierence than Ios. But apple is better in a lot of ways too. Are you just hating on android the same way you would hate your cross town rival in highschool. Because i really cant say any of the current os's are crap. Some just have better app support. Palms or now hps OS is really good and so is windpws phone but they have little in comparison to android and apple with apps and supporting gadgets and what ever kind of gadgets for them.

posted on 10 Sep 2011, 23:54

68. readingthissh1t (Posts: 303; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)

"and" and "lol" do not belong next to each other sir

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