Adobe says Apple is part of the reason it has killed mobile Flash

Adobe Product Manager Mike Chambers posted on his own personal blog that because of Apple's refusal to let Flash come anywhere near iOS, the mobile version of Flash wouldl never reach the popularity of the version found on desktop computers which was one of the reasons why Adobe killed it off...
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78 Comments

1. abdane

Posts: 507; Member since: Oct 07, 2011

PFFF !!! Stupid apple -_-

56. The_Miz

Posts: 1496; Member since: Apr 06, 2011

Not Apple's fault for a dying system. Flash is overrated, buggy, laggy, and full of issues that make it highly unstable. HTML5 ftw.

76. AppleConspiracy

Posts: 637; Member since: Oct 18, 2011

You, and most people, don't quite understand how Flash works, and therefore unable to differentiate generic nature of Flash from its implementation. Flash is a third-party technology that can supplement HTML in form of plugin and can be viewed as a programming language, called ActionScript. When programmed in ActionScript, just like HTML5 and Javascript are programmed, with its particular sintagm, we can get very fast, efficient and most importantly, most advanced content. There are number of Flash-based sites that have same or even better functionality as their HTML counterparts with better experience, and they also consume less processing power and memory, just like regular HTML. Unfortunately, this is not the case for majority of Flash-based web objects because Macromedia/Adobe has provided web developers with WYSIWYG application, Flash. This allows everyone to create content easily and fast by just accumulating it on a canvas and animating it, but most of people don't know how to optimize it except professional educated and experienced users. That's why web is full of Flash junk, but it's not the generic Flash fault as a technology. It coul be great when everyone knew how to keep it efficient, but that was not so much of a problem before smartphone era anyway. Because after introduction of iPhone, smartphone ceased to be jus informative device, it became primary device for enjoying full-content with full experience and eventually more important than desktop PC itself, all mobile device manufacturers faced a problem with this from hardware side, and even Android based devices already catched up with it, Apple is the king of all trends, and just like Microsoft, didn't want to speed up their hardware but instead destroy all the Internet based on Flash just to eliminate the problem, not fix it. Suddenly, Adobe becomes very "old" and "inefficient", and Apple becomes very advanced, by actually killing the most advanced form of content and putting the web back to somewhat static and immature nature of HTML5 by saying it's a future of experience. Pardon me, I never saw any HTML5 content that was more advanced than Flash. And just for the record - HTML5 needs to be implemented in every browser too, just like Flash. The only difference is that Flash is third-party product that doesn't belong to native HTML standardization. But it's the same story with Javascript, but nobody complaint about that. Why? Because SJ didn't complain. So, instead Adobe providing us with Flash plugins, now we have to deal with how succesfully HTML5 will be implemented in particular browser. For instant, some HTML5 sites work well on Chrome, don't work well with IE, work partially good on Opera, does not work at all in Firefox and combinations like that. It's even more fragmentation. So don't tell me that bullsh*t about working flawlesly and equally on every browser without every need for upgrading.

78. ILikeBubbles

Posts: 525; Member since: Jan 17, 2011

thank you sir (ma'am?) for the clarification!! ive been wondering why flash was disgarded so quickly whel html5 was so new... usually something has to be tested vigorously before it can be implimented THIS wide...but who knows what was going on in the background... maybe steve jobs had it in his will that flash would be taken out... i'm not bashing html5... ive never seen it in action (that i know) but it does seem awefully quick that flash was just thrown away for a new toy..

67. ardent1

Posts: 2000; Member since: Apr 16, 2011

It's more like Adobe shot itself in the foot. Recall what Steve Jobs said about Flash: "In addition, Flash has not performed well on mobile devices. We have routinely asked Adobe to show us Flash performing well on a mobile device, any mobile device, for a few years now. We have never seen it. Adobe publicly said that Flash would ship on a smartphone in early 2009, then the second half of 2009, then the first half of 2010, and now they say the second half of 2010. We think it will eventually ship, but we’re glad we didn’t hold our breath." What kind of business can survive if it can't come to market as they stated. Adobe kept stumbling with its execution of Flash.

72. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

ugh, enough with the SJ quotes. Flash takes a lot of system resources. the phones didnt exist then with enough horsepower to run full flash, but they were running flash lite. Your complaining about a company being late to the party by quoting a company that is always late to the party.

2. Slammer

Posts: 1515; Member since: Jun 03, 2010

It was inevitable for Adobe to sanction HTML5 as the next step for Web content. In order to stay relevant in a changing market, Adobe needed to re-establish their thought process. I welcome HTML5 as the new basis for our needs but also thank Adobe for implementing the alternative so we could experience the most possible out of our handsets until HTML5. John B.

12. Whateverman

Posts: 3295; Member since: May 17, 2009

Can't argue with that.

15. XiphiasGladius

Posts: 813; Member since: Aug 21, 2011

Amen to that. . .

40. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Exactly, thank you Adobe for helping to give users a choice on our phones...

3. AppleConspiracy

Posts: 637; Member since: Oct 18, 2011

That was the ONLY reason.

4. tacohunter

Posts: 408; Member since: Nov 06, 2011

Part of the reason.

13. AppleConspiracy

Posts: 637; Member since: Oct 18, 2011

Two years ago Adobe was deeply dissapointed at Jobs' decision not to support Flash and since then eagerly defended it as the company's only mean to dominate the web. Now, suddenly, they gave up, explaining that HTML5 is a wiser choice. No company gives up their most powerful source establishment without reason. It's obvious - when everybody wants iPhone, Adobe must adapt. The whole Internet must adapt to iPhone and iPad. Nothing makes sense without it. Steve Job's words were actually a command. So, yes, it was the ONLY reason. Of course, they have to give other reasons as well to keep in the HTML5 game and to profit as much as they can, but the reason why Adobe is abandoning its greatest tool for web dominance is the fact that Steve Jobs wanted it so. And now they are making Photoshop for iPads...

37. SuperEd

Posts: 132; Member since: Oct 18, 2011

command? Give me a break. HTML5 has been pushed HEAVILY by MS. Unfortunately for you Apple sheep (apparently iGoats can only be used), your not the only game in town. By the way cnet, your making of the iWhatever (rhymes with iSheap) an illegal term is pure censorship. It's a shame and would welcome open dialogue with the editor that decided to do this.

5. gallitoking

Posts: 4721; Member since: May 17, 2011

So we we have a confirmation....

8. Jobes

Posts: 364; Member since: Oct 27, 2011

So does that make you feel warm inside? It does say part of the reason not the only reason lol. Flash going away its such a severe blow omg... What ever... Well.....we....do...now..... (put in a way where gallito can relate and read)

27. gallitoking

Posts: 4721; Member since: May 17, 2011

Nop nothing changes.... i didnt gain anything.... i didnt lose anything.... but thank you for not caring.. and typing my way... maybe one day I can type like you as a return favor...

30. Jobes

Posts: 364; Member since: Oct 27, 2011

That would be swell. This whole flash ordeal has pushed you to light a fire and make assumptions in how Android users feel with the whole told you so BS when it wasn't needed and was way off base. Say we love flash so much when in reality we just like the option.. We look forward to html 5 when it more widely used. be polite to begin with and more people would be willing to return the favor.

32. gallitoking

Posts: 4721; Member since: May 17, 2011

already tried the polite thing... and they focused more on how i type than the message it self... no thank you,,,, look that's how it is around here.... when there was no iphone 5 fandroids had their way... when the dual core iphon4s was clocked at 800mhz... they had their way.....and no apple follower cried because you guys were...energetic about letting us know.. even we said..we don't care.. it continued.. now... just owned up.. just like we did.... nothing personal...

35. Jobes

Posts: 364; Member since: Oct 27, 2011

Then be the bigger man and continue being polite. Kill them with kindness don't start flame wars. Take some constructive criticism. this isn't an Apple victory whoo hoo you guys have been using html 5 for a while. This isn't about how you have been this is you celebrating that adobe flash will be replaced.. We don't care... We want html 5.. How is it you don't understand that? We enjoyed using flash and not being forced not to. Difference between Apple users and Android users its we embrace technology.. Enjoy freedom in it.. Apple users want what Apple says and don't care for what else is out there... You enjoy your lower clocked cpu.. And your restrictions. Just don't put words in our mouths and say we just want flash because you know we want it so get over it.

68. gallitoking

Posts: 4721; Member since: May 17, 2011

never put words in any mouths.... and dont worry about flame wars... as it takes two sides to ignite them.... just dont respond and will be ok.... and lastly you had it wrong... it was Android users trying to showed flash into apple users.. not the other way around... but good of you guys to play victims..now...

70. Jobes

Posts: 364; Member since: Oct 27, 2011

I could care less if Apple never used it.. Was never forced on Apple users we just enjoyed that full experience of the internet nothing was forced on Apple. How are we playing victim? All that was said was we enjoyed flash and will continue to until html 5 was in full swing. We jest about Apple users not having the option if using it or not because you were never given that choice.. how we are playing victim..... .. Yet to be seen.

44. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

no gallito, we are trying to get your posts to make sense. We cant figure out your message because of the way you type. random sentence fragments that dont always go in the order that you write them do not make for a coherent message. We dont want prim and proper syntax all the time, but an improvement from what you call typing now would be greatly appreciated. It was never brought up to pick on you, it was brought up so we dont think you are trying to pick a fight when you are agreeing like what happened last time. Because no one can understand you.

47. Marco151polo

Posts: 9; Member since: Nov 28, 2010

Don't know much of any user's back story/views/positions/etc on this site, but gallitoking's statement came accross as an observation that doens't take a side. Quite interestingly I note (and I might be wrong) that some of the comments made by gallitoking are in prose somewhat similar to the character in gallitoking's avatar.

50. Jobes

Posts: 364; Member since: Oct 27, 2011

He isn't talking like his Avatar otherwise it would be. "I say I say I say Apple pushed html 5"

52. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

i have this mental image of william shatner on family guy doing that zig zag weird movements whenever he talks.. with a chicken head on.

60. Jobes

Posts: 364; Member since: Oct 27, 2011

I can see that. foghorn shatner.

53. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

foghorn leghorn didnt speak in prose. he had a stutter with a long drawl style accent. he was also plainly oblivious to what was actually going on in front of him while assuming it was something else entirely.

48. iKingTrust

Posts: 716; Member since: Jul 27, 2011

Is there a day when you can not hate Remixfa?

51. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

hating on what exactly? can you please describe my hate. if your going to accuse me of something, back it up. thanks.
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