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AT&T working out a deal with Leap for a last effort to save the T-Mobile merge

0. phoneArena posted on 29 Nov 2011, 09:40

Just two days ago, we heard that AT&T will push probably for one last time in order to get the T-Mobile acquisition through and two names have been mentioned…

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posted on 29 Nov 2011, 09:57 3

1. Alantef (Posts: 288; Member since: 14 Sep 2011)


posted on 29 Nov 2011, 10:31 3

8. Alantef (Posts: 288; Member since: 14 Sep 2011)

i said it months and months ago....i really think Google should by tmobile

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 11:56 4

10. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

i would totally go for that. i wouldnt mind working for google at all. :)

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 12:12 4

13. bsilva1182 (Posts: 5; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)

I completely agree, g-mobile FTW!!!

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 12:11 1

12. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

It would be better for you and all your google loving friends that Apple buy Tmo and dump all of you on a remote google fantasy island. You can skip, hop, and hold hands together everyday with a cute smile seeing everything around you is made by google; google house, cars, bikes, cake, tea, etc.. Your lives will be so googly!

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 12:29 2

15. bsilva1182 (Posts: 5; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)

haha, apple oh you crazy apple fanboys, are you sure this isnt the place where all of you apple lovers live!!

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 17:14

21. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

Not apple fan. Just annoyed hearing that kind of stuff. though i will side with apple in certain cases. Lolzz!!!

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 10:00 4

2. hepresearch (unregistered)

hahaha... funny...

So, we will be taking T-Mobile USA out of the #4 spot, and replacing them with Leap Wireless? AT&T is cannibalizing them just for the spectrum, apparently, and will be handing off the massive leftovers to Leap... I wonder what Leap will be paying for it?

So, how in the world will Leap integrate a GSM network, larger than their own home CDMA network, into their own? And, if they do (maybe by just replacing the GSM equipment with CDMA), then are they a good merger/takeover target for Sprint?

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 10:02

3. jamrockjones (Posts: 345; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)

I still don't think it will happen.

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 10:03 2

4. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

T-Mo's parent wants to sell it - so, if not AT&T, then who, SPRINT? Can Sprint really buy another company and handle even more debt? Can it handle integrating more spectrum into its already varied group of spectrum? Do we really want to start telling companies who they can and cannot sell to? You may as well as sell T-Mo to the government and then the gov't could create their own national network for those who cannot afford private cell service....just like health care.

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 10:08 4

5. hepresearch (unregistered)

Subsidized by the tax-payer... Socialized Mobile! Nasty...

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 10:11 2

6. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

LOL - Everyone wants to SPRINT to buy T-MO - do they realize hoe much in debt they are right now? Maybe it would help them, though with their LTE buildout. Let LEAP buy the whole company.

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 11:58 3

11. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

not only do they have too much debt to take on more, their networks are incompatable. you think the IDEN junk was a bad idea? try merging a GSM and CDMA carrier with opposing technology.
Besides, Tmobile has the better setup speedwise, so it would make more sense for sprint to convert all its towers to GSM and ride that 42mb/s HSPA+ over its 12mb/s Wimax.
That deal would ONLY make sense if they were announcing a joint LTE roaming venture with a merge after the LTE roll out is complete and they were ready to turn off the CDMA towers and go LTE/GSM (again, Tmobile's backhaul is muuuch faster)

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 14:37 3

17. ojdidit84 (Posts: 458; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)

It would be the same thing with LEAP Wireless. They use they same CDMA technologies as Verizon/Sprint and T-mo has so many more customers than LEAP. In that case it would make sense for them to turn off or convert their CDMA towers and go GSM.

IDEN/TDMA was also incomplatible with CDMA and it's taking that forever to be killed off in favor of Sprint's CDMA network. But in the case of Sprint/T-mo, Sprint has almost twice as many customers as T-mo so how would it be more cost effective to switch to GSM/LTE technologies over CDMA/LTE technologies? Unless you're confusing WiMax as a CDMA technology and LTE as a GSM technology in which they are neither.

Either way, I'd hate to see T-mo get gobbled up by ATT only for a huge chunk of customers to be sold off to a carrier like LEAP (who doesn't even have coverage in a large city like LA) just to gain their spectrum and I still don't see how it would create all these jobs they say it will. I could only see customers running away from the sound of Cricket and heading to the other big 3.

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 20:49 2

24. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

Sprint does have more customers, thats true. But going GSM would give them more phone options, which would make the customers happier... it would allow them to have a much faster non LTE backhaul when the upgrades are done (HSPA+ @42mb/s compared to CDMA 3g at 2mb/s)... LTE is a GSM evolution so its more easily compatable. Remeber how many issues VZW had with LTE at first? Sprint will go through the same growing pains.

So.. IF sprint and Tmo merged.. and stayed sprint you would have.. less phone choice (more phones go GSM since they are more easily available on more carriers), slower "3g", and more possible cdma/lte incompatibilities.

Wimax and IDEN would be out the window regardless.

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 01:08 1

27. hepresearch (unregistered)

GSM is no more compatible with LTE than CDMA is... they are all relatively unrelated technologies. If anything, LTE appears to share the same encryption as GSM/3G in the A5/3 algorithm, but A5/3 is seriously substandard when compared to the CAVE algorithm used with CDMA. Also, CDMA is better at sharing bandwidth between more users at one time, and is nearly impossible to eavesdrop on (thanks to a 42-bit pseudo-random signal scrambling overlay)... Ev-DO Rev. A may not be as fast as HSPA, but it is quite secure, and CDMA voice service is just as nice and clear as UMTS voice service with the same momentary user load per tower.

iDEN is soon to be out of the way... thank goodness, and WiMAX will eventually disappear in favor of LTE, as well.

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 07:12

29. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

I never said CDMA wasnt the better tech. Between its building penetration, longer distances between towers, and everything else, its the much better tech. But there are trade offs with that.

The only phones that use 42/mbs are the Hercules and Amaze, so unless you know peeps with that, of course u havent seen it. Real world that ive seen running speed test in store is high 20s/ low 30's at its highest. Average is anywhere between 12-20.
Wimax's MAX theoretical is 12.5 Most people get between 3-8 at best on wimax. Wimax is all but dead. With clearwire and sprint both making LTE plans, Wimax will be abandoned in America. So no matter what happens, wimax wont exist for too much longer.

Life is a trade off. CDMA gives u better coverage, but so will converting all those towers to GSM and having some overlap. GSM gives u more phone choices and faster non LTE backhaul. And as customers have proven, they were willing to switch from carriers with better service (everyone but ATT) and move to ATT in droves for a silly iphone. They care more about the device than they do about their ability to use it... well at least a large portion of customers.

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 11:52

30. hepresearch (unregistered)

haha... fair enough.

I was unaware that WiMAX had such a low theoretical speed to begin with... it does not seem to make sense, though, when both LTE and WiMAX share the exact same technology base (OFDMA).

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 15:26

31. ojdidit84 (Posts: 458; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)

Actually, WiMax's theoretical max is 75 mbps. Where are you getting 12.5 from? Actual max perhaps? It SHOULD be getting higher speeds than it does but when you have Clearwire managing the network, not going to happen... lol

Either way, I agree that WiMax is dead thanks to mis-management from Clearwire with sub-par speeds and terrible rollouts that didn't even reach major cities like San Diego or Phoenix before it all pretty much came to a halt a little over a year after its release.

Won't miss it one bit in favor of LTE and LTE-Advanced.

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 15:08

18. LewsTherin006 (Posts: 140; Member since: 18 Nov 2011)

i have thought about that myself. Only thing is sprint doesnt have a very good track record when it comes to making good choices with their network. or they could even just have dual service phones until the merger takes place.

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 01:10

28. hepresearch (unregistered)

Strangely, the iPhone 4S actually fits the bill as just such a dual-service phone... just without T-Mo 3G/HSPA+ (no AWS radio support).

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 00:57

26. hepresearch (unregistered)

HSPA+... 42 Mbps is the theoretical speed

WiMAX... 12 Mbps is a reported real-world speed

I do not know anyone who has ever actually seen anything even close to 42 Mbps on HSPA+, and the theoretical speed of WiMAX is comparable to HSPA+ anyway. And, I was under the impression that GSM carriers are facing worse backhaul problems than the CDMA carriers... in my opinion, LTE/CDMA seems the better way to aim for transition in the event that T-Mo ends up having infrastructure divested into the hands of Sprint and/or Leap Wireless. Sprint has plenty of room for LTE spectrum at 2500 MHz (through Clearwire) in the cities, and enough room at 800 MHz to work with LTE build-out elsewhere.

Either way, trying to merge GSM and CDMA networks will be just as messy as when Sprint tried horking down Nextel... it was all down hill once they got past the gag-reflex.

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 10:22 2

7. LewsTherin006 (Posts: 140; Member since: 18 Nov 2011)

DTwas in talks with 5 people to buy Tmo. We dont know the other 3. Tmobile will get sold and stay alive. All it takes is someone who somewhat knows how to manage a company. DT has done a HORRIBLE job managing Tmobile.

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 11:03

9. vvelez5 (Posts: 623; Member since: 29 Jan 2011)

Like I said before there is always someone who wants to get in the game. One company loses another takes its place.

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 12:21 2

14. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

One thing i dont understand is why DT not restructure Tmo US, maybe get rid of old ceos, layoffs, or even new strategy? They don't have to sell. They can restructure.

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 18:30

23. vvelez5 (Posts: 623; Member since: 29 Jan 2011)

But what if they don\'t want to restructure and just sell?

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 14:02

16. Carlitos (Posts: 553; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

Just what I have been saying. (But not leap wireless, I was thinking metro, or the carrier before that) If this deal is true, I can see the tide turning to At&t favor.

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 16:36

19. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

AT&T is really desperate to push this deal through, its the only way they will surpass Verizon in number of subscribers.

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 17:14

20. rockstarlive (Posts: 307; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

AT&T decided to withdraw from the deal.

Its over.

posted on 29 Nov 2011, 22:14

25. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

No, not over yet...keep reading newer articles on it.

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