2 years after Apple, Android phones still cannot get gesture navigation right

We have everyone doing gestures their own way and no one quite doing them right, which shows that all these companies were reacting and often rushing to get a solution after Apple, but none so far have the refinement of the iPhone gestures...
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127 Comments

41. Crispin_Gatieza

Posts: 3112; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

Just because you've never seen a Palm phone doesn't change the fact that webOS (not Palm OS) did gestures first and better than anything that has been introduced since. I'd also like to see that GPS that you mention since I've owned every single Palm phone and PDA since the Treo 650. I'm sure you've heard of BlackBerry, they had gesture navigation too in their QNX-based PlayBook and then with BBOS 10. To further drop some knowledge on you, Palm's first Pre got a 9.9 rating right here on Phone Arena. I never met Abraham Lincoln, but I know he existed.

54. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

I'm sure Palm sells at least tens of millions smartphones with gesture based OS. Can you point me to some of them? Oh, nobody f**king bought them anymore? than it must have been extraordinary devices...! /s

58. oldskool50

Posts: 962; Member since: Mar 29, 2019

Bit I. At you've heard of the Apple Newton, which failed vs othe PDA's at the time. The Newton didn't eve last a year on the market. It was DOA. But I vet you heard of it. And the Palm Pilot was the top selling PDA ever.

72. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Newton was another piece of s**tty hardware (just like any other PDA).

61. Vancetastic

Posts: 953; Member since: May 17, 2017

WebOS was influential, no matter what you think or remember. I had a Palm Pre Plus with WebOS, and I now have an iPhone X. The influence is absolutely undeniable.

74. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

WebOS was a nicely designed OS and that was it. I’ve seen it (in videos) and iOS is nothing like it; palm had a home screen - iOS doesn’t; and from there it’s easy to see that Apple has created something different.

81. Vancetastic

Posts: 953; Member since: May 17, 2017

Spoken like a blind man. Unlike you, I have actual experience with both operating systems.

97. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

I also had experience with both. It’s just that some “servants” were doing all the touching of the Palm for me.

103. mootu

Posts: 1449; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

"I also had experience with both. It’s just that some “servants” were doing all the touching of the Palm for me." And yet in an earlier post you claim to never have seen a Palm device apart from the GPS. The lies just keep on coming!.

106. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

I’ve never seen a Palm device... in an European store - read the text before blubbering.

117. Vancetastic

Posts: 953; Member since: May 17, 2017

I enjoy your furious backpedaling.

46. Matte_Black13

Posts: 12; Member since: Oct 12, 2018

It LITERALLY says iOS and Android in the article. No offense, I'm not trying to "defend" the guy, but it's clearly talking about MODERN smartphones, not phones from ten years ago. Jesus. This is why the first paragraph exists.

93. blingblingthing

Posts: 919; Member since: Oct 23, 2012

You do realise saying Android copied Apple's system and the iOS gestures are innovative profoundly changes when you add that Apple adopted the system from Palm? You don't call a remake an original

60. Vancetastic

Posts: 953; Member since: May 17, 2017

How on earth do “tech” writers consistently forget about this? It really annoys me, and I love the gestures on my iPhone X. I guess I’m not part of the cult.

108. Marcwand3l

Posts: 426; Member since: May 08, 2017

He didin't forget it, he left it out on purpose. If he would have mentioned Palm it would have made his rhetoric much weaker.

31. TBomb

Posts: 1283; Member since: Dec 28, 2012

Just because you set a trend doesn't mean you innovated. It just means you got seen by more people. A student throws a piece of paper at another student and no one sees. The other students throws it back and the teacher calls him out on it. Who "innovated" in the art of childhood teasing? The kid who threw it first or the kid who got caught?

38. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

That is exactly what "innovation" means (everything else is just novelty or periodic upgrade).

43. TBomb

Posts: 1283; Member since: Dec 28, 2012

"a new method, idea, product, etc." that has nothing to do with popularity and being seen. It has to do with being first to introduce something - not just the first to be seen on Phone Arena. Let's play a game: Name some things Apple makes or does that another company makes or does better. Prove to everyone here who has called you out that your not a blind sheep and you have even the smallest bit of unbiased sight in you. The comment section will wait.

55. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Laptops - both Dell and lenovo have way better devices than MacBooks. Office tools - the email is abysmal, the editors are notepad-like, calendar lacks some basic features. Business tools (to make it simpler: almost any kind of professional related software with the exception of media). Music - I only have AM and Spotify to compare and for me it's clear that S. takes the crown. I also have a few areas where iPhone lags behind other devices, but it's enough off-topic in a single message :). Happy?

57. TBomb

Posts: 1283; Member since: Dec 28, 2012

my fault for not clarifying i meant iphone related but yeah im content for now. btw - even though i may call you out specifically, im not trying to attack you personally. just want to make that, hopefully, clearer

77. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Antennas - I am lucky to live on a continent with great cellular networks, but Huawei phones - for instance - have better reception in remote areas and better internet speeds. Samsung has a few elements of design that it does better; for instance the bezels (the side ones). Although it gives a certain elegance to the UI, I would like to see toned down animations (I like OnePlus UI). That’s 3 and I think it’s more than enough for this article (i gave more examples all over PA since I made the account and I’m sure I will continue to give). I never take things personally; the only 2 times I reacted differently was when someone wished my family to die and when another called me a racist; if you don’t cross those lines (or similar ones) - and I have no reason to think you will, because it’s not the first time we change ideas - we’re good, you can ask me anything and you can contradict anything you consider that is worth contradicting :).

94. blingblingthing

Posts: 919; Member since: Oct 23, 2012

So if I open a Burger King in a country which doesn't know about this large chain, are you going to call me a pioneer? If I make a car with turbocharger on it, do you think it's innovative? Imagine if a comedian reposts your meme and gets more laughs, are he telling me he was funny while you were not?

99. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

If you sell Burger King burgers, no; if you sell burgers after your own receipt and you make others - that never thought of selling burgers - follow your lead (while BK goes bankrupt), yes.

111. wickedwilly

Posts: 640; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

A trend is not innovation. There have been many trends that are old ideas that fell from grace and suddenly become the fashion. Vinyl records for example.

118. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Dude, an innovation needs to change the way people interact with technology; that's why the original iPhone - which wasn't the first at anything - was innovative: because the industry was not mimicking the functions, functionalities, features, the ecosystem etc of the Prada, the industry shifted in order to compete (and try to outperform) the iPhone. On screen keyboard was (and is) not trend, it became a standard; controlling the UI with the finger was not a trend (like it was with some old Palm devices - built by Palm or powered by Palm OS), it is the standard. A simple thing like moving the fingerprint scanner on the beck can be called innovation, because it changed the way the market (Apple included) addresses the problem of bezels. Innovation is not the introduction of a feature (we had touch screens - even in Palm devices, we had fps in Motorola's, we had big ass phablets before the Note - they were all bad and/or meh), innovation is giving relevance to that feature.

110. wickedwilly

Posts: 640; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

I was using gestures on palm devices and on Android phones BEFORE the X came out. There was little innovation on the iPhone X it was basically a clone of innovations that came to Android phones years before.

119. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

When I was using gestures Palm didn't even exist. I strongly believe Palm OS copied the gesture the humans do when they wipe their assess. /s

123. wickedwilly

Posts: 640; Member since: Sep 19, 2018

Just like Apple copied gestures humans used to unlock things, yet you supported their case on Samsung copying. Do you now agree you were wrong then????? If you had seen palm gestures you can clearly see many are the same as Apple adopted on the X. Palm was no tiny player and it was not used just in the US. I was based in UK and had Palm products for years and people were using them in Asia too. So, as usual, your experience means absolutely nothing, it is far too limited.

124. Leo_MC

Posts: 6935; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Dude, you have an obsession with who copied who. Only a gesture that does something in a CERTAIN way, using a certain technology can be copyrighted; one can’t simply take ownership of natural human language... As far as I can see (and YouTube is full of videos, showing Palm os UI), there is one task similar in iOS (you can find the comparison in the comments); I don’t know if Apple paid for using that task or it was free to be used, but I’m pretty sure I can’t say Google copied Android - for instance - from 3rcx and Apple just because it uses icons... Smartphones - before iPhone - had 7 figures sales at best (in a 9 figure market). Palm was a tiny hardware manufacturer, an obsolete software developer and it died, because nobody gave a s**t on their products.

6. YeahYeah

Posts: 249; Member since: Mar 16, 2016

Victor... you desperate now
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