Nokia Lumia 920 vs Samsung Galaxy S III
0. phoneArena 03 Dec 2012, 07:21 posted on
Windows Phone 8 ushered Microsoft’s mobile OS in the era of dual-core phones and HD screens that Android and iOS have been inhabiting for a while, and Nokia Lumia 920 is the handset best suited to take on those other flagships. Naturally, we are going to compare it with Android’s most popular high-end, the Samsung Galaxy S III, which offers a quad- or dual-core processor, depending on the region, and a high-res AMOLED display, flaunting camera of the same resolution as the Lumia 920...
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126. ruukhaviser (Posts: 14; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
Well, we don't have Flash (yet, if ever) and I'm not going to say this isn't a bit of a bother. Am I correct in remembering Flash is going to be left behind to another product. I could be wrong.
As for low light pics, this certainly and issue with the 920. Heck, I use that thing in lower-light conditions more than my Nikon D3100 (although I purposely avoid IS due to my photography subject) because the output is soooooo much better.
Testing all ecosystems would be best, of course, as with anything you purchase. I'm just saying I've been content with what I've got, that's all. And that people in general shouldn't completely avoid testing it out just because others have said not to. They may find that this one may provide a better fit for how their use a communication device.
No real disagreement with what you've said.
124. ruukhaviser (Posts: 14; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
Surfing without text wrap: good points, all
Not trying another OS first: yeah, I can't disagree. It's just that this was the first one I tried and I've been relatively happy with it, that's all. I've borrowed iPhones and Droids and have been disappointed with the interface. I will admit the ability to customize has some appeal.
Marketplace: I misspoke. I meant at this point in the launch cycle the apps development is on a steeper curve as compared to iPhone and Google during the same point in their launch cycles. Sorry for the confusion. You are of course very, very much correct RE present time.
103. ruukhaviser (Posts: 14; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
To be honest with you other than the rapidly building app market I can't understand most of the complaints. And apparently the market is building faster than both the Apple and Google products. Keep in mind that Microsoft win8 and wp8 use the same kernel and apps can be built one time foe both. This will explode the app market soon.
113. Ivan6479 (Posts: 244; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Ok so just because apps can be built for win8 and wp8 both at the same time doesn't mean their app market is going to "explode" as you put it. The app development process is a lengthy process, as I have built apps for the iPhone, which one can also develop an app for both the iPad and iPhone all at once, but it still doesn't increase the speed of developing these apps. You have to be honest with yourself it's going to take them quite a while to catch up with Android and Apple and by the time they do, you will be wishing you would have fully enjoyed an eco system, which would have let you fully enjoyed your device to the fullest from day one. I think it's probably best you stick to your construction job and let us people that are actually in the field of tech teach you a thing or two. ;) After all you don't go to your Doctor trying to tell him how to do his job, or maybe you do. LOL
127. ruukhaviser (Posts: 14; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
Ah, normally you would have been correct regarding the construction job. Yeah, that's true. No one really knows people on the internet (well, in RL either for that matter) and don't know their backgrounds. I'd be shocked if you don't have an active tech-related job and do have much more experience than I regarding things in this field.
You'd be a little surprised to learn I have a Masters degree - although not in tech - an A+ Certification and can tear apart/rebuild a computer. Although I'm not a network specialist, I've probably have more experience with computers than 99% of the population with hardware and software. But (a big but) that 1% though know FAAAAAAAAAAAR more than I do and I'd include you in that category just as default.
So although I'm in the construction *related* trade that doesn't mean I'm completely out of the discussion. =)
However, your points are well taken and my job here is certainly not to compare the 3 ecosystems. I'll leave that up to you guys, as you are far more qualified. I'll merely leave my comments for those who are looking for something a little less tech related. For someone just jumping into the smartphone field I think the WP8 ecosystem could be a little less intimidating to use. That's all.
129. ruukhaviser (Posts: 14; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
Oh, I forgot to address the first point. I'm merely passing along what I've read regarding developer's interest in coding for both as they share the same kernel (I think it was 75% of developers, if I'm not mistaken). It would - and seems to be - in their best interest to do this as they'd theoretically earn twice as much money for the same amount of work.
"Exploding" was probably a bad way to express. However, as Windows is the dominant system in the world as compared to the rest (iOS, Linux, etc - although eroding I'll admit), the reach of these apps would at present span a larger swath of the computer-using population. How long this would take, who knows, but I'm not anticipating the other OS's would jump head and shoulders above Windows in the near or maybe moderate future. This might be enough time for developers to make some decent money and may spark a growing interest in WP8, WP9 etc. Can't *hurt* the phone's ecosystem, at least, and will probably help carry it along as a third smartphone option...especially as Blackberry is nosediving.
Nothing wrong with having options, that's for sure, and different systems offer different experiences. And if they were all the same it wouldn't help with one's decisionmaking anyway. If people at least try WP8 and the others most may very well settle on one of the other two. But there is bound to be some - perhaps small - population who prefer the experience they find with this ecosystem. And there can't possibly be anything wrong with that.
I merely feel people should be allowed to try it out, and not merely shut it out of the discussion because some - maybe even most - feel it isn't worth a look. Seems like a reasonable way of thinking about it. For that matter, they should probably try Blackberry too.
Just my humble opinion.
104. ruukhaviser (Posts: 14; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
Sorry to post three in a row, but I just found this about durability and it couldn't be more true. An article on windows power user discussed what an iPhone5 looks like after 2 months of use with no cover. I was shocked, frankly. Here's why:
I was lucky enough the first person to buy the 920 at my neighborhood store, so I've had it for quite a while. If I polished it up to eliminate the requisite hand/finger residue you'd barely tell it's been used. And that's without a screen protector, bumper, Otterbox, what have you. I work on construction sites so there's a small 1/32nd inch micro-dent at the bottom where I dropped a hammer on it, but otherwise it's virtually flawless.
Now Otterbox has come out with the Defender for the 920 and I plan on getting that because I'm an absolute klutz, but so far I haven't destroyed it like my other equipment. Dropping an air compressor or ladder on it, stepping on it, tripping over it and knocking it off a two story new construction house onto a concrete pad, getting run over by a work truck...wait...
115. Ivan6479 (Posts: 244; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Btw if your wanting something durable then just about any phone will do great with an Otterbox on it. Also I cannot imagine how enormous your WP is going to be with an Otterbox on it, not to mention how much heavier it will be seeing how its heavy enough as it is. So if your wanting something durable and an Otterboox is your solution then you could go with something slimmer and lighter and you will still be protected. ;)
122. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
There's just so much shallow perception and bias and ignorance revolving around Nokia fans.
For example that idiot Samsung hater "Chaoticrazor" laughs at me for saying that the S3 with a case is more durable than L920!
While that's just common sense.
The ONLY durability issue I noticed with the S3 is when it hits the surface at the certain angle - it doesn't have anything to do with the build quality or the materials, but simply because the screen glass is too close to the corners of the phone.
It's a design flaw.
In everything else, Samsung Galaxy S3 just shines.
It really is a HIGH QUALITY PHONE.
And the screen is of the same material as Nokia's obviously
Let's wait and see how Nokia will do with that torture test before we blow it up into another shallow myth
131. Bilpocalypse (Posts: 301; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)
Maybe if they actually standardized the test. They test every phone differently, Hopefully they won't leave the sim door off when they do the water test like they did with the Lumia 900. I would like to see a proper water test on the 920 though.
130. ruukhaviser (Posts: 14; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
Otterbox with a lighter phone would be better for some, I'm sure. Can't argue with that. I'd put a piece of china in one of those and expect it to remain intact. I personally don't really mind the larger size as I'd have it clipped on my belt or even set aside away from equipment, workmen etc.
It's just that some may prefer the straight beauty of the phone itself and dislike covering it up. Man, I mean these things are styled well and frankly could be held up as pieces of art. I find it a shame one needs to cover it to protect the phone from damage.
That was only where I was coming from. You're right about your general comments, tho.
144. Ivan6479 (Posts: 244; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I agree with you that it is a shame that some people feel the need to cover them up. Your the one that mentioned the Otterbox from the get go. As you can see by the videos posted by "darac" the GS3 can handle its own just fine and doesn't require a beefy case. If having some beefy dead weight of a phone attached to your belt makes you feel more manly some how then maybe you should just stick with your Nokia. Lol Oh and when did heavier ever equate to better build quality? You do know that super cars are made from some of the lightest materials in the world right? ;)
145. Edd71 (Posts: 2; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
you're comparing a super car to a cellphone? the purpose of a high performance car is to go as fast as they can by increasing power and decreasing weight... so in that case, you're right.
but we're talking about a cellphone here...
what feels better to you... a gold chain that has some weight to it? or a gold chain that feels as light as plastic. I'm not definitively saying light=cheap or heavy=quality... the iphone 5, and the droid DNA are light phones that feel phenomenal. however those are the exceptions. gsIII feels super cheapy... great phone, but it feels extremely cheapy due to how plasticky and light it is. a tiny bit more heft would've made it feel a bit more quality
146. ruukhaviser (Posts: 14; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
Ivan6479- I certainly understand your position, but I agree with Edd71. Some will like the lighter weight for their reasons, and others will like them heavier. Even if the situation is a non-issue and blown out of the water by videos showing equal quality by the s3, I really think it just comes down to one's own feelings about weight. I, for one, prefer a heavier phone because it "feels" like it has more quality. This is probably going to get me in trouble here, but I'm *only* saying that *I*, myself, NO ONE ELSE "feel" as though my phone has a better construction. I *feel* as though a glock (which I think is lighter) than a Colt .45 isn't as solidly built. I'm sure I'm wrong. I *know* carbon fiber is strong as steel, but it *feels* to me as though it isn't.
I really think it's probably only a matter of perception, and that there isn't anything wrong with one person disagreeing with a phone's build quality over another. It. Really. Doesn't. Matter. The only thing that does matter is how a person likes the weight in their hand. If they're looking for something lighter, go with the s3; this seems to be the consensus among many/most of the critics anyway. If you don't mind the weight though, the 920 is packed to the gills with features…which is, frankly, why the thing is so daggone heavy in the first place.
Perhaps Samsung was able to put together a phone with the same features (which isn't exactly true - neither phone can be matched exactly perfectly against one another) and did it in a lighter frame. Good for them and good for the consumer. They build good phones, no one can fault them for that.
But no one can deny that the 920 is just another piece of plastic that can't hold it's own against the s3. People can consider the s3 the better phone. Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion and there isn't anything wrong with that. Test out both phones, both OS's and buy whatever you want. Just don't shoot down the equipment because you merely think yours is better; unbiased critics have generally considered it a great phone.
As for the Otter Box, Ivan, I don't trust myself to not find some new way to break even a 920. I cracked my 900's screen, for heaven's sake. That's supposed to be rare. I visit construction sites and it's bound to get scratched and beat up, even if the electronics aren't technically damaged. I'd just like the ability to peel the thing out of the box at times to show someone, and not have the thing *look* like it's been on a construction site. And the weight issue - even the additional weight from the Otter Box - is absolutely no concern to me whatsoever. But that's just me. Others are entitled to their own opinion.
105. ruukhaviser (Posts: 14; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
Ok, now that I think some more about it I take most of those back. It probably wouldn't do anything if you drove over it, stepped...not really. Um, the concrete pad might damage it, so that might be true. I'm sure an air compressor would crack the screen. The ladder might do that as well if it was dropped vertically. I'm sure a bulldozer would do it in, but if it was on dirt it might not as the weight of the machine is distributed over a large surface area. I kinda sound stupid here, but I'm trying to think of what what would "break" the thing. Dropping a sledge hammer would hurt. That would HAVE to break it...have to.... But I'll be darned if I'd bet a paycheck on it. Maybe $20 or so, I guess. I WOULD bet a paycheck that I could throw it through a glass window, make a good sided dent in a piece of drywall if I whipped it like a knife. Puncture a full gallon of milk, umm...wall of beer bottles...a wine bottle might hurt it due to the way the bottle is constructed. Microwave door? I wouldn't bet right through, but probably not hurt it. Would seriously dent a car door, bounce the hell off the tire, blast through a box of Lucky Charms (I'm eating breakfast- that would be fun to watch the explosion), slice right through a phonebook (jk)... I KNOW it would break if I whipped it against a brick wall...although it might just break the screen if it landed flat and not on a corner. I'd be worried it wouldn't be *completely* destroyed on one throw, so that one would only be a $10 bet.
But I'd like to keep it rather pristine if I took it back out of the Otterbox, so that's what I'm asking for Christmas. If you're worried about breaking your iPhone or Galaxy or whatever, get this one. The operating system rocks, and the build quality is...well...ridiculous. Flabbergasting. The uni-body construction makes it like an old-skool Timex watch: "takes a licking and keeps on ticking".
121. gazmatic (Posts: 608; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
For those whose only worry about windows phone is apps then go to nokia's beta page xyo.net for all the apps you need. Most of them free.
134. lumia1920 (Posts: 7; Member since: 25 Nov 2012)
they always says that the galaxy s III have the best camera but the lumia 920 have the best one
138. clevername (Posts: 1428; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
Just to clear this up the 920 does have continuous focus. Pa's video even mentions it. I've used it and love it. From a personal test, the s3 does NOT have better sound. Ether recorded or put out by the speakers. Whether from a pair of headphones or the speakers. Text wrap is nice. I enjoyed it, and I do sort of miss it. As I sort of miss flash. Porn sites aren't the only things that use it. There are still a lot of sites that do. Like g4.com but its not a big deal. Now neither is text wrap. The resolution is so high I dont need to zoom to read. Non issue. As far as the camera goes in a little disappointed with how soft the images are but just a little overall they are extremely vibrant and the subject of the photo usually isn't afflicted by this. And yes the aperture is smaller than some other high end phones because of the OIS. This is a good thing. The OIS allows for a much slower shutter speed. Again a good thing because a slower shutter will let in more light than a larger aperture. So the smaller aperture with the slower shutter, and OIS allows for better pictures than a slightly larger aperture like say 2.4 with a much faster shutter and digital ois.
139. clevername (Posts: 1428; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
Also, just from what I've seen here the word biased and fan needs to stop being thrown around. darac you don't seem to give any differing opinion a chance and chaoticrazor with all your talk of bias you seem to see any pro android comment as a biased fandroid rant. You champion choice but blast darac even when he says something that isn't negative. And he has had unbiased and good comments. And on the flip side you have had great comments too. I've owned android and before that IOS. Wp7, and 8. And I like things about all. Android frustrated me to no end because after a while my galaxy s2, even on ics(when I finally got it) became infuriatingly buggy. Even after getting a replacement. At one point the batter decoded it didn't wanna last more than 4 hours. Take that back, the phone decided. Because my spare didn't last either. Even my friends razr maxx and my brothers gs3, have had problems. My brothers gs3 is starting to act a little buggy. Especially in the keyboard. My friends razr maxx actually got buggy, and stopped having good battery. I enjoy my 920 for the better battery. IPhone needs fresh life, and windows phone needs better app support. That's all there is to it. The gs3 is a fantastic phone and for certain uses is better than the 920. Browsing is better. Media options are more diverse. Apps are more diverse. Multitasking is better. Widgets are useful...but can be chaotic and eat data and battery especially if overused.
wp8 is smoother and more fluid. Yes. Even after project butter. Office is great. SkyDrive and one note are wonderful. These tools make office productivity more efficient on wp8. Also social integration in me, people and photos is far and above beyond android in any iteration. Organization, not customization, is also better...until you add to many apps to the start screen.
141. ruukhaviser (Posts: 14; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
clevername: your knowledge of both wp7.5 and 8 as well as android has been very helpful. Although I've heard of these android issues, I can't claim to have experienced them myself. Your text rap comments support my own: the resolution is so high it's nearly irrelevant.
I'd think the camera is just fine for most of the population. If I'm really concerned about taking higher quality photos, I either bring my old school Canon powershot or taking the Hughes quality, my Nikon D3100 DSLR.
Let me clarify a small misunderstanding: there are three settings you can manipulate to get good pictures.
ISO changes the sensor's sensitivity to light. A higher number gets you more light but gives you less "sharpness" in the photo
Shutter speed allows you to capture how fast or slow the subject is moving dependent upon brightness of your light. Higher speed captures fast movement, but needs brighter light. Less light means, well...you'd get getting in there and a darker photo.
Aperture means the size of the opening. When the aperture number is 2.5, that means 1/2.5...which is a *larger* opening than a 4.0. (Half is larger than one quarter.) A larger opening allows more light in, but changes the focal length which (for the sake of the argument) blurs things in front of and behind your subject... say National Geographic bird photos where you don't want sharp trees in the background complicating you view of the bird, versus large landscape photos where you want both the grassy field as well as the far away mountain be in focus.
For a good sharp non-blurry dancing party photo you'd need a larger aperture-but not too large- a faster speed-but not too fast, a higher ISO-but not too high. The 920 is better than many camera phones because of the floating lens. Use these concepts and numbers in a camera phone comparison.
Maybe that helps build upon clevername's description of the 920's benefits.
Macsbac - although two non-busted drops is good, the unibody and better construction of the 920 allows for many more drops than that. Just my and other-reviewed opinion(s). I'd prefer we not use the term 'clowns' to describe anyone as they can unfortunately trigger more of that flaming we dislike.
142. ruukhaviser (Posts: 14; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
" 'highest quality' photos with my Nikon." D@mn autocorrect. >_
143. clevername (Posts: 1428; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
Oh that was definitely needed ruukhaviser. Good stuff.
147. TitoP (Posts: 3; Member since: 23 Dec 2012)
The Lumia is just too heavy. It's like the Samsung Note 2, which II wanted (on At&T, 4GLTE) here for my New York graphics work to jot down visual ideas but when I felt its weight I knew it would end up on the floor quite often. Weight, battery life: still elusive to the manufacturers.
148. essam (Posts: 1; Member since: 23 Jan 2013)
I had htc hd 7, compared to for example my previous nokia E71, E71 is much better!
I recently bought GS3 and i was like "Hey! I'm back to my great life again"!!
Now, I'll sell my wp7 to anyone I hate.
Regarding Nokia Lumia 920, for me, Nokia E71 is still much much much much better!.
Android and Iphone are the best (period)
149. androidfever (Posts: 1; Member since: 26 Jan 2013)
God I just wish Nokia chose to go on the Android platform rather than windows. Then Lumia would've been a top smartphone without a doubt. Had a Galaxy S3 now trading it in for Lumia 920. Goodbye Galaxy S3.
150. BitterTruth (unregistered)
Camera and design of Lumia looks superior to me!
OS, Customization and Apps of GS3 are better than WP.
Both are the Kings of their own different OS.