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Nokia 808 PureView Review

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It’s easy to understand our excitement about the camera performance of the Nokia 808 PureView, so we will be making this part of the review much longer than usual, with subsections that highlight the different abilities of the best-in-class PureView camera.          

The monstrous 41MP PureView camera - Nokia 808 PureView Review
The Xenon flash and the LED light - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView Review

The monstrous 41MP PureView camera

The Xenon flash and the LED light

 


Technology:

The 41-megapixel sensor is still with 1.4 micron pixels, as on most smartphones and compact cams, but its size is the whopping 1/1.2”, which is 2.5 times bigger than the 1/1.83” one in the previous smartphone record holder - Nokia N8. It’s also much larger than the average sensor used in most compact standalone cameras, thus able to capture more photons on its surface, which makes for excellent low light performance.

Also, the handset has a dedicated ISP attached to the sensor, which is keeping the staggering amount of pixels and frames manageable for the processor. In fact, Nokia said it had to wait until mobile processors reached their current strength, so they are able to cope with the PureView sensor workload. The presence of an in-house ISP explains how we get fluid 1080p video with only a single-core CPU, for example.


PureView:

Nokia chose to do a gigantic 41MP camera sensor, because it would allow it to not only achieve lossless zoom, but also something called “pixel oversampling” in the PureView camera technology white paper.

Oversampling combines the myriad of neighboring pixels that the gigantic sensor produces, and makes one “super pixel” out of several – seven when in Automatic mode. These pixels are binned together into what Nokia claims is the perfect one, using its proprietary algorithm to keep the highest amount of detail and average out the noise that all of the pixels carry.

That is why the automatic mode, for example, shoots in 5MP, keeping speed and file size in check, but using the staggering amount of info from the 41MP sensor to create a picture Nokia says is times better than your average smartphone or compact camera, because of the pixel oversampling. Naturally, the more you zoom in or the higher the resolution you shoot in, the more of the oversampling effect is lost, that is why Nokia recommends to stick to the Automatic or the 8MP PureView modes.


Zoom:

Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia didn’t stop here, however - it has long wished to put real zoom in its phones. There were prototypes with optical zoom, but the added bulk and the noise that these solutions produced while zooming into the footage meant a no-go. The big breakthrough came once a Nokia engineer thought about the way satellite imagery is done, and the lab decided to use resolution unheard of for a smartphone, in order to achieve lossless zoom without moving optics, and the associated distortion and aberrations.

In PureView mode you can do up to 3x lossless zoom for stills, while in video mode you can go up to 12x, depending on the video definition. When you shoot in full resolution with the 38 or 34 (16:9) effective megapixels you can’t zoom, of course.

Naturally, the more you zoom in, the more of the pixel oversampling effect is lost, and the table above shows the oversampling ratio at each level of zoom and resolution. Still, the quality lost while zooming in is much less than with that useless interpolation digital zooming brings on other smartphones. Think of it as instead of blowing up a small crappy photo (digital zoom), you just cut a piece of a bigger, quality poster to get the same scene in the Nokia 808 PureView.

Zoom images - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Zoom images - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Zoom images - Nokia 808 PureView Review

Zoom images



Interface:

Shooting modes - Automatic:

Just like the phone's design, the camera interface also puts function before form, and is pretty Spartan-looking, with only some transparency used for a good measure. There are three modes - Automatic, Scenes and Creative.

The automatic mode is for quick snaps, allowing you to adjust only the flash status. Nokia’s Damian Dinning, its camera guru, explained that they took a bit different approach in automatic mode this time, compared to the Nokia N8. The main goal with the N8 was to achieve more natural looking scene, that profi photographers are so fond of, leading to less appealing for the average user photos at first look, since most cameras strive for jolly, oversaturated colors and higher contrast than what’s in reality, because that’s what consumers like.

This has been repaired in the Nokia 808 PureView 5MP automatic mode, which Damian says produces slightly more appealing colors and contrast than the more professional Creative mode, where the phone switches to strictly natural color reproduction, unless you manually adjust the settings.

Automatic mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Automatic mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review

Automatic mode



Shooting modes - Scenes:

Scenes has a fair amount of preset settings that Nokia deems perfect for different situations that may arise, like Portrait, Night Portrait, Night, Macro, Landscape, Snow, Sports, Spotlight and so on. You get the same 5MP 16:9 shots as in Automatic mode.

Portrait and Night Portrait emphasize on flesh color, for example, focusing on the faces in your subject group, while Snow ups the exposure a bit, so reflective environment like snow, beach sand or ice doesn't get darker than it is, which often happens with high ambient reflectance. Spotlight would be perfect for a concert or a theatre play, where the light shines directly on the performer, and so on. You get to preview how the scene looks like under the various Scenes in the viewfinder.

Scenes takes you one step further than the fully automatic mode, sort of a station on the way to the fully manual, or the so-called Creative mode, yet frankly the Automatic mode is sufficiently intelligent when it comes to choosing settings on the fly depending on the situation.

Scenes - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Scenes - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Scenes - Nokia 808 PureView Review

Scenes



Shooting modes – Creative:

Here you can unleash the full potential of the 41MP PureView camera, and manually set it at full 38MP resolution in 4:3, or 34MP in 16:9 ratios. Alternatively, you can use the PureView mode in 3, 5 and 8MP with 4:3, and 2, 5 and 8MP with 16:9 aspect ratios, while setting the JPEG quality output as Normal or Superfine.

Creative mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Creative mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Creative mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review

Creative mode


A very handy feature of the Creative regime are the three custom mode buttons C1, C2 and C3 – they remember the last combination of settings you've made, so you can quickly set up three macros that suit your photographic needs for the moment, and are very easy to get to quickly.

Here you can set different levels for saturation, contrast and sharpness with the provided sliders. The next details you can tinker with are the color tones - Normal, Vivid, Sepia and B&W. The Vivid mode is roughly what you get from most consumer cameras and smartphones, with higher than normal saturation and contrast, which makes for extremely eye-pleasing results, yet nothing gaudy as so often is the case.

Setting different levels for saturation, contrast and sharpness - Nokia 808 PureView Review

Setting different levels for saturation, contrast and sharpness


The last variable while in Creative mode is Capture - there is the usual Self-timer at 2, 10 and 30 seconds, then comes Interval capture. Interval shooting allows you to fix the phone somewhere, and tell it to shoot 2-1500 pictures in 5 seconds to 30 minutes intervals – perfect for time-lapse photography.

Self timer - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Interval shooting - Nokia 808 PureView Review

Self timer

Interval shooting


The other capture regime is Bracketing - you can take 3 or 5 images with a preset range of exposure adjustments, such as -0.3/+0.3, -0.7/+0.7, -1/+1, and -2/+2 steps. Sadly, you have to combine them yourself, or use an app, as there is no HDR mode out of the box. Of notable absence is a Panorama mode in the camera interface, too, something that comes by default now with Android 4.0, for example, but you can turn to Ovi Store for help.

Bracketing - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Bracketing - Nokia 808 PureView Review

Bracketing


Last, but not least, you are still left with many variables accessible via five shortcuts on the left side of the viewfinder in Creative mode. These are the flash mode, exposure adjustment (which brings up a handy histogram to help you choose the correct setting), white balance (cloudy, sunny, incandescent, fluorescent and automatic), ISO (50-1600), and the ND filter (on/off and automatic).

Nokia 808 PureView Review
White balance presets - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Exposure compensation - Nokia 808 PureView Review
ISO settings - Nokia 808 PureView Review
 

White balance presets

Exposure compensation

ISO settings


We also have a Neutral Density (ND) filter built-in, which is one of the few moving parts in the camera body, and sometimes kicks in to prevent overexposure in bright light scenarios. The good thing is that it can also be turned on and off manually to achieve effects like motion blur during longer exposure/slow shutter times, making for beautiful waterfall or wave shots, for example.

A feature worth mentioning here is the sleep-to-snap mode, which allows you to press the dedicated shutter key while the phone is locked, go into the camera app, and immediately take a photo, all for about a second or two, like on the Sony Xperia NXT phones. Focusing and taking a shot are almost instant, save for the Full Resolution mode, which takes a second or two, depending on the lighting conditions.

Finally, for continuous shooting you simply hold the physical shutter key, and the phone takes one snap after another every second or so until you release it. Still, the speed of capture here is much less compared to the zero shutter lag Android flagships this season, which can take multiple photos per second, so it can hardly be called burst mode.


Image quality:

And after the lengthy interface review, we come to the juiciest part – the picture quality. Nokia recommends shooting in the Automatic mode, which gets you 5MP photos with 16:9 aspect ratio. The Automatic mode is the perfect one for the casual photographer, since the resulting pics are less than 1MB, compared to the 2-3MB in 8MP, or 10-12MB at full resolution. These 5MP ones are easy to post on Facebook, Flickr, or shoot with an email, and the phone provides these sharing options. Yet you can still get high quality prints up to 10.2/5.7” (26/14.6cm) from them, if that’s your thing.

Still, we know you are itching to see the big resolutions as well, so after taking the shot in automatic mode, we took it in 8MP PureView and one with the full 38MP resolution. For added perspective, we covered some of the shots with a Panasonic DMC-GF2 in fully automatic mode as well – a good 12MP consumer camera on which we had 14-40mm lens kit.  

5MP - Nokia 808 PureView Review
8MP - Nokia 808 PureView Review
38MP - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Panasonic GF2 - Nokia 808 PureView Review

5MP

8MP

38MP

Panasonic GF2

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Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView Review
5MP - Nokia 808 PureView Review
8MP - Nokia 808 PureView Review
38MP - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Panasonic GF2 - Nokia 808 PureView Review

5MP

8MP

38MP

Panasonic GF2



Outdoor shots:

Photos are simply great, and no other phone comes even close to what the Nokia 808 PureView is able to photograph. From the stunning amount of detail, through the excellent color reproduction, to the spot-on exposure and white balance even in mean lighting conditions, the sharp and clean shots below speak for themselves. We’d recommend shooting Automatic or turning on the Vivid mode, if you think colors are too natural for your taste, then you’d have the perfect vacation shot without any need for post-processing. Speaking of which, shots with the full resolution are simply a treasure trove for plugging into Photoshop, and making wonders out of all the photographic info hidden in them.

Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review

Outdoor shots at 5MP auto mode


The only time there are issues with the Nokia 808 PureView is in Close-up mode, or when you try to focus on a nearby object. Nokia says focus is from 15cm to Infinity, but you’ll have issues focusing on anything closer than 20-25cm, and in excellent lighting at that, as with that great macro shot we did by the seaside. On the other hand, with the lossless zoom you can always focus from further away, and zoom in on the subject with similar effect, yet it won't be as good as the macro that the iPhone 4S or the Galaxy S III produce.

Macro - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Macro - Nokia 808 PureView Review

Macro



Indoor and low-light shots:

With the Nokia 808 PureView we finally have a phone that produces excellent results in low light. The sensor is so big, that more than enough photons get in even as light gets dimmer, and only at full-res photos in low light one can start noticing the noise. Moreover it is the preferable luminance noise, rather than the splotches produced by most smartphones and compacts. That solution is in line with Nokia’s strategy to let some noise in to avoid doing any software noise reduction and smear even a modicum of detail, which experts agree is the correct path to take. Indoor and low-light pictures are a great achievement indeed. We get clean, well-defined shots even when the light goes all the way down. The Xenon flash is twice more powerful than the one in the Nokia N8 even, and provides great illumination up to 12 feet.

Strong - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Medium - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Low light - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Darkness - Nokia 808 PureView Review

Strong

Medium

Low light

Darkness


50 ISO - ISO Test at medium indoor light - Nokia 808 PureView Review
100 ISO - ISO Test at medium indoor light - Nokia 808 PureView Review
200 ISO - ISO Test at medium indoor light - Nokia 808 PureView Review

50 ISO

100 ISO

200 ISO

400 ISO - ISO Test at medium indoor light - Nokia 808 PureView Review
800 ISO - ISO Test at medium indoor light - Nokia 808 PureView Review
1600 ISO - ISO Test at medium indoor light - Nokia 808 PureView Review

400 ISO

800 ISO

1600 ISO

ISO Test at medium indoor light



With night shots, sometimes the phone chooses too slow of a shutter speed, so in your typical “holding with two hands and bated breath” scenario, the shots get less clear than they should be, as you can see in the night shots of the cathedral, compared to the bulkier, but steady Panasonic. As a rule of thumb you can manually up the ISO a notch in Creative mode to get the best results for night shots - maybe a little noisier, but sharper - since otherwise the phone will most likely choose a slower shutter speed, and there is no way to set that manually.

Night shots - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Night shots - Nokia 808 PureView Review

Night shots



Video:

Video is shot in 1080p Full HD in Automatic mode, with consistent 30fps and sports continuous autofocus, which can be toggled on and off even while filming. Clips are recorded in the popular MPEG-4 format with 20Mbps.

Automatic mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review

Automatic mode


Video capture has Scenes mode too, with Low Light, Spotlight, Sports and Snow settings – that last one should be used at the beach as well, or anywhere there is a lot of ambient reflectance.

Scene mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Scene mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review

Scene mode


The Creative mode from the pics is present for shooting video, and allows for 1080p, 720p and 360p definition settings, with 15, 24, 25 or 30fps. In the default 1080p mode you have four times lossless zoom, which becomes 6x if shooting at 720p, and the whopping 12x lossless zoom at the screen’s nHD 640x360 resolution.

Creative mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Creative mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Creative mode - Nokia 808 PureView Review

Creative mode


Another setting is the color tone – we get the default Normal, and also Vivid, Sepia and B&W. Saturation, sharpness and contrast levels can be adjusted with individual sliders before video capture in Creative mode as well. There is digital video stabilization in Preferences that is off by default.


Video quality:

The automatic mode shoots excellent, fluid videos as you can see below, with an incredible amount of detail, zippy exposure adjustment while panning around, and very natural color reproduction. Yet, we would get into creative mode and bump the color saturation a notch to get the perfect imagery.

The only trouble we saw was with the overzealous continuous autofocus (CAF) which constantly adjusts something while panning around, and is on by default in all modes. Yet when you bring something closer than 20-25cm the phone can’t hook onto it, but keeps focusing on the background, instead of the nearby object front and center. This is easily overcome with the Touch Focus feature, which turns off CAF the second you tap on the screen, and focuses on the object of your choosing. The downside is that you have to tap again to switch focus to the background, or turn on CAF on the fly.










Nokia Rich Recording is the new name of the 128kbps stereo sound with 48kHz sampling while capturing video, which is touted to be with CD quality, very clean thanks to the noise-canceling mics, and with a strong volume. Nokia says the microphones are able to capture clean more frequencies than any other mobile solution available. It can also capture very loud sounds - the astonishing 140dB - meaning that you will still be able to record crisp sound without distortions on your next night out clubbing or at a concert. In fact, it’s the best stereo audio we’ve ever recorded with a smartphone, but don’t take our word for it, just listen to the samples.



We played back a YouTube music clip, at about 90dB (moderately loud level), and captured the sound on video, to demonstrate how the Nokia 808 PureView's "Rich Recording" compares to the iPhone 4S and the Galaxy S III.


Multimedia:

Symbian’s music player is pretty good looking and versatile with its Cover Flow-like album art, song categorization, a few equalizer presets, and in this phone with Dolby Mobile surround sound in headset mode.

The music player is pretty good looking - Nokia 808 PureView Review
The music player is pretty good looking - Nokia 808 PureView Review
The music player is pretty good looking - Nokia 808 PureView Review
The music player is pretty good looking - Nokia 808 PureView Review

The music player is pretty good looking


The tune progress bar and the controls are large enough to allow easy finger operation, yet not overly so to look ugly. The loudspeaker is pretty great, very strong and with a clear output, carrying over that commendable tradition from the Nokia N8.

The video player, while with the most basic interface imaginable, runs everything, including DivX/Xvid and MKV files out of the box, and up to 1080p definition. It’s another story whether Full HD is needed on this 360x640 screen. At least the AMOLED technology with its flashy colors makes video more enjoyable to watch.

Just like the Nokia N8, there is a pretty capable photo editor on the phone, allowing you to do basic and not so basic alterations to your pictures. You can crop, resize, stitch, post-process colors, contrast and so on, as well as add frames, text, clipart, and multiple color effects.

Nokia 808 PureView has a pretty capable photo editor - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView has a pretty capable photo editor - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView has a pretty capable photo editor - Nokia 808 PureView Review
Nokia 808 PureView has a pretty capable photo editor - Nokia 808 PureView Review

Nokia 808 PureView has a pretty capable photo editor



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posted on 25 Jun 2012, 10:01 17

1. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


The problem of Nokia 808 PureView is that there is no 'balance' between a phone and camera. Good camera and not so good phone - no balance.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 10:15 24

3. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Anyway, nice to see innovations in mobile handsets. :)

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 10:22 14

6. goesoer (Posts: 13; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


yeah, Nokia is always made innovations,, do you remember the camcorder-like-mobile phone?? it recorded briliant video on that time

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 12:14 14

28. Extraneus (Posts: 10; Member since: 02 Jun 2012)


Stupendous camera, good phone, not so good gaming machine, you mean?
If you need to make calls, send text messages, listen to music and take great photos, this phone will do it better than any other - the only place it falls short is on the app-front, but... Don't you own a tablet?!? ;)

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 13:15 6

35. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


If your needs are only to make a calls, send text messages, listen to music and take great photos, then I agree with you. But in many, many cases Symbian Belle isn't so 'flexible' OS and it is not about the gaming.

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 04:33 5

93. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


But that's the definition of a phone. For calling and SMS, you should've said that 808 is a good camera, good phone (nokia handsets are one of the bests in terms of phone quality), and not so smart.

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 05:05 4

96. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"...(nokia handsets are one of the bests in terms of phone quality), and not so smart."

Agree.

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 06:08 2

100. markamps (Posts: 4; Member since: 04 May 2012)


"not so smart". So 808 is just a dumb phone with excellent camera?

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 22:33 5

126. agferrari (Posts: 2; Member since: 26 Jun 2012)


Hey, can you tell me what is the thing that Android can doe but Symbian Belle can't do.
Have do you use Belle?

posted on 27 Jun 2012, 06:49

136. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Symbian isn't so 'flexible' like Android. For example hacking, go to www.hackaday.com, how much hacks for Symbian do you see? Zero!
Have you heard about Google ADK and Arduino?
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/usb/adk.html

Or can you show me for example such thing like a Symbian PC System, I guess you can't. But here is such thing like Android PC System and only for $49:http://apc.io

posted on 28 Jun 2012, 06:05

142. stylinred (Posts: 50; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)


have you visited dailymobile ever? no hacks? wtf granted most of the old guys moved on to different os' but the community is still thriving

as for pc system, thats why Nokia made Maemo a linux based os like android but its been around longer and Android likes to copy from it (like the drop down notification bar)

posted on 28 Jun 2012, 11:55

144. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"have you visited dailymobile ever? no hacks? wtf granted most of the old guys moved on to different os' but the community is still thriving"

So where is Symbian + Hardware hacks???
Do you even understand about what I'm talking about?

"as for pc system, thats why Nokia made Maemo a linux based os like android but its been around longer and Android likes to copy from it (like the drop down notification bar)"

Don't go off-topic! We are talking about Symbian, not about Maemo!

posted on 29 Jun 2012, 06:06

147. stylinred (Posts: 50; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)


im reminded of Jackie Chan asking Chris Tucker "do you understand the words coming out of my mouth?"

and Chris Tucker replies "don't nobody understand the words coming out of your mouth man!"

posted on 29 Jun 2012, 12:54

148. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Seems that you are out of arguments. Next time get some knowledge before talking and don't go off-topic.

posted on 30 Jun 2012, 06:31 3

150. stylinred (Posts: 50; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)


no... just seems like i made a point and you replied with "oh but you dont know what im talking about"

that clearly shows that either
a) you're incapable of getting your point across
or
b) you've got no argument and are just doing the back n forth babbling that we're currently involved in

posted on 30 Jun 2012, 07:19 1

154. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Have you visited links that I have posted because your talking not about the same things.

posted on 30 Jun 2012, 01:40 1

149. Hlorri (Posts: 39; Member since: 07 May 2008)


What kind of idiotic criteria are these?

Symbian can certainly be hacked. I, for one, am running my own custom firmware on my N8, an plan to do the same with the 808. Little tweaks like allowing the file manager to access "protected" files and folders, or allow it to install unsigned applications.

But again, why is this even considered? Fewer people hack Symbian, because it is more flexible out of the box than Android or iOS. (Consider, for example, all the various connectivity options for sending/receiving files via Bluetooth, USB, WebDAV, Nokia "Big Screen" for a nice interface to your HDMI enabled TV, built-in support for bluetooth mouse and keyboard, etc). In itself, Nokia phones could be used as "ultra-portable" computers ever since the N95.

Instead, as far as I see it, there are three areas where Symbian have fallen behind by now:
- Applications (not many developers want to develope for an OS whose main backer has declared it dead)
- Support for multi-core processors (only supports one).
- Screen resolution (limited to WVGA, 640x360).

Other than that, it is still the most powerful and flexible mobile OS on the planet.

posted on 30 Jun 2012, 07:16

153. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"Symbian can certainly be hacked. I, for one, am running my own custom firmware on my N8, an plan to do the same with the 808. Little tweaks like allowing the file manager to access "protected" files and folders, or allow it to install unsigned applications."

I'm talking not about such kind of hacking...

"What kind of idiotic criteria are these?"

If you don't understand about what I'm talking about, don't say it is idiotic.

posted on 19 Jul 2012, 13:09

171. nissin (Posts: 2; Member since: 19 Jul 2012)


Thing is, most people don't use arduinos!
I know it's a disadvantage for those that do, but it sadly wouldn't be a part of the market the phone is aimed at.
If the OS grows further because of this phone and the microsoft link, we might just see such an addition. I for one wouldn't hold my breath and would continue to use wifi to control my arduino bots :)

posted on 09 Sep 2012, 12:59

181. jsboy (Posts: 1; Member since: 09 Sep 2012)


then what kind of hacking DO you mean?

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 03:45

176. lamborghini666 (Posts: 2; Member since: 13 Aug 2012)


crappy :(:(:(:(:P:P

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 12:48 9

32. nak1017 (Posts: 328; Member since: 08 Jan 2010)


If they build this camera into a win8 phone, I think you'd have a pretty decent combo

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 15:14 9

45. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


Well, Belle FP1 is more powerful OS than WP8.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 13:32 8

38. Roomaku (Posts: 278; Member since: 06 Feb 2012)


Its so ridiculous how people want the best of everything. I mean it makes phone calls, texts, and you can check the web and it has free offline maps. Seriously it has all that yet because the OS is not as intuitive as Android/iOS/WP7 it's considered bad? Come on people it does the basics and then some, and it has the best camera on a phone available today, so it's time to give it a break on the phone part or rethink what you really need on a "phone".

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 14:59 5

43. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


If your needs are only to make a calls and send text messages, then you need a phone not smartphone. :)

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 17:31 3

64. Roomaku (Posts: 278; Member since: 06 Feb 2012)


Yeah agreed. I just think it makes an okay phone too.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 21:11

65. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


It is ok, it is your opinion. :)

posted on 27 Jun 2012, 05:41 1

132. markamps (Posts: 4; Member since: 04 May 2012)


Agree.

And people must not only know the difference between a smartphone and an ordinary phone, but also the difference between the standards of today's smartphone and the smartphone of prehistoric age.

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 02:42 3

83. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)


Actually, Belle with FP1 is very similar to Android, IMO. The problem is that it lacks certain apps, such as Kindle. In terms of hardware features, the phone is packed with goodies. Of course, it using older CPU tech, but this doesn't matter because Belle needs less resoruces to operate than Android. Bottom line, it's a very capable phone...but is limited by an app ecosystem hovering around 70,000 apps. The browser is OK, but still not up to Opera level. In any event, you can download Opera too.

posted on 29 Jun 2012, 03:48

146. dxbjan_2008 (Posts: 1; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


Correct..!! Good points..!! :)

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 04:28 3

92. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


At least qhd screen !
What's the point of good camera and crappy screen ?
I will have to keep transferring those photos to a pc to really enjoy them

posted on 04 Jul 2012, 17:13 1

157. Skylarc (Posts: 1; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


With a camera like this it would be a crime NOT to move it to the computer, work on it in photoshop and show it online in big resolution. That is how you will enjoy this pictures.
If you just want good pictures on your own phone. Then go ahead and use any crapy camera that are in phones today, you will not even know the diffrence.

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 04:53

178. NokiaN8 (Posts: 1; Member since: 29 Aug 2012)


So, enough with the infantile replies PhoneArenaUser ? I gues you have not passed the first 12 years of your life and yet to discover beer and women. But please don't go shouting all this bulls**t. A phone is not a phone because you say it is, a phone is a phone, the specs dont make it a phone, and te pros and cons don't make it good and bad. Let's let people decide wether to buy it or not, so enougn with the bulls**t already, and go buy a S3 or One X because everybody tends to buy it, and you are not yet on the verge to discover your own opinion, but that will come when you hit puberty.

Ontopic, it is a no-nonse phone, which can do just about everything a modern smartphone can. It dousn't have a 2ghz quad core in it for 12years olds to play games, and dousn't have 1.000.000 worhtless apps. But hey, maybe some people dont want to game on their smartphone? or carry an lcd tv in their pocket, running from AC to AC to power a quad core that is by far overpowered for any task to be done. Maybe it isn't 1mm thick and able to break in 2 after a fly pooped on your screen, it is however a smartphone capable of doing anything a grownup needs from a phone. Browse, music, Stream 1080p to your tv, make unbelieveable good pictures and yet last a few days on a bettery. It's realy one in it's kind, where no phone can match him, that can make him appeal to you, or not. Simple as that.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 10:11 13

2. kamil (Posts: 115; Member since: 07 Feb 2012)


amazing camera is the only great feature i see in this phone. quiet disappointing to only see one amazing feature on an anticipated phone.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 10:49 10

12. SleepingOz (unregistered)


I agree, the camera is awesome!
But the phone, itself, is mediocre.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 11:52 10

22. Birds (Posts: 959; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)


The phone has an old CPU but nokia did some tricks. They added a powerful GPU and two extra cores one for background tasks and the other for the camera. This phone is perfectly optimized to run Symbian, considering it can play high bitrate 2K resolution videos. I'm not saying the phone is better than what I anticipated, because some things like the web browser and task switching were simply disappointing.... However, I fall into the photo niche of people who have powerful DSLR's but don't feel like lugging the two pound behemoth around.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 12:52 6

34. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"...it can play high bitrate 2K resolution videos."

And how you will take advantage of it ? :)

2048x1080 (2K) on 4 inches 360 x 640 resolution display, I don't think so...

2048x1080 (2K) also impossible broadcast through Analog Video Connector (TV Out with composite)...

And anyway, I'm not sure if Nokia PureView 808 even able to play 2048x1080 (2K) videos! Could you show me a source where you find such info?

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 13:23 1

36. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"2048x1080 (2K) also impossible broadcast through Analog Video Connector (TV Out with composite)..."

Sorry, my fault! It has HDMI! :)

But, I'm still not sure about if Nokia PureView 808 even able to play 2048x1080 (2K) videos.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 15:19 1

46. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


Don't know about 2K, but it certainly can play 1080p videos, and 2K is barely 7% more data, so i guess there's enough power under the hood.
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Also, it doesn't matter much that u don't have 720p or 1080p screen.U will not always have 360p versions of video, so it's important if HW is capable to decode any resolution video.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 17:17 2

60. Birds (Posts: 959; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)


Still, I think this phone deserves a little more credit than what alot of people are giving it. In a way, this device is dual core. ROFL but in a weird, convoluted kind of way that....well still makes the device pretty decent nonetheless.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 21:18 3

66. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"...this device is dual core."

Which part is Dual-Core? Because CPU is Single.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 23:12 1

70. Birds (Posts: 959; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)


I'm not saying it is S4 or Exynos dual core. I'm saying it is single core with an added core for task switching!!! I don't want to get all technical about what I was inferring because I'm pretty sure you know what I meant. Read OUTSIDE the box sometimes.......it has two extra low powered cores one for the camera and one for task switching....enough said. I still say it is single core because it still has a primary core but technically it is triple cored of you want to get technical!!! lol

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 22:48

127. agferrari (Posts: 2; Member since: 26 Jun 2012)


It's not exactly "dual core" but,
it has, 1 cpu, 1 graphic processor, and
another dedicated grapich processo for the image/video of the camera.

posted on 27 Jun 2012, 06:59

137. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


For example Samsung Galaxy III has Quad-Core CPU and also has a GPU, but noone says that it has Five Cores...

posted on 30 Jun 2012, 06:37

151. stylinred (Posts: 50; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)


it'd be called 5 cpus at most

nokia was the first to go multi-core back in the day and it was called dual cpu (not core)

posted on 30 Jun 2012, 07:20

155. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Which device?

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 20:48

160. xsacha (Posts: 11; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


Your Nokia N95 (in drawer) was dual cpu.

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 02:44 1

85. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)


It has HDMI out.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 10:19 11

4. goesoer (Posts: 13; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


let's see Nokia LUMIA with PureView on the future,, it can be the real phone that "designed for human",,

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 10:22 7

5. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


Start building some hype in regards to wp8 Nokia. Seems you're starting to lose steam.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 10:31 9

7. steelicon (Posts: 309; Member since: 02 Apr 2011)


Nokia Belle FP1 has come a long, long way from the clunky, buggy, slow OS of the past.

http://youtu.be/2l0AkY07PKs

Try to watch that YouTube clip. More Input and Output options to most devices, better UI and UX implementation, great configurable software.

Try it.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 11:07 6

16. ReturningToNokia (Posts: 130; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)


Steelicon - save your sales pitch for your job (yeah, we know you've got that goal to sell alot of Nokia 808's). What is it, 3 so far? Good work!

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 15:57

52. denied911 (banned) (Posts: 361; Member since: 31 May 2012)


Try it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46IiRyigUH0&list=LLq0MoWiM6kaywcS2FiWG4Og&feature=mh_lolz

Try to watch that YouTube clip.

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 00:01

72. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


Great. But all i did all of this (USB on-the-go keyboards, mices, HDMI output to TV) on my N8 in late 2010. Long before SGS2 was announced.

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 04:43 1

94. denied911 (banned) (Posts: 361; Member since: 31 May 2012)


it works with USB DAC!!! and HDD without power supply!!! even tablets can't do that

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 20:48

159. xsacha (Posts: 11; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


And yet the Nokia N8 from 2010 can work with USB DAC and HDD without power supply.

Everything the SGS2 can do, the Nokia N8 could do in 2010.

And so can this 808.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 10:32 5

8. AzhiKarim (Posts: 5; Member since: 24 May 2012)


You guys that say this phone only has one good feature .. you are fu*king wrong !! you probably didn't try the OS so much and you don't know so much about it , if you had .. u wouldn't have said that ... this phone has lots of features that even the more expensive phones don't have such as Fm transmitter and lots of other little things .. i have a 701 and it's cool but one downside with it is the Camera of it which has no Auto-Focus but this phone looks like the real deal

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 10:42 4

10. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


If you are talking about me, I don't say that Nokia 808 PureView has the ONLY ONE good feature. Yes, I have tried this OS and I know about FM transmitter, I even have my old Nokia N95 8GB in my drawer. But I'm still not amazed!

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 10:50 3

13. AzhiKarim (Posts: 5; Member since: 24 May 2012)


no i'm not talking about you but lots of people just don't know what this phone can do , i mean they just think this is the old and ugly symbian .. you are right that this phone doesn't have so many good apps and games like android and iOS but it does the job simply for you

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 11:04 1

15. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


I understand your opinion. :)

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Display4.0 inches, 360 x 640 pixels (184 ppi) AMOLED
Camera41 megapixels
Hardware
Single core, 1300 MHz, ARM11 processor
512 MB RAM
Size4.88 x 2.37 x 0.55 inches
(123.9 x 60.2 x 13.9 mm)
5.96 oz  (169 g)
Battery1400 mAh, 11 hours talk time

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