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Nokia 808 PureView Review

0. phoneArena 25 Jun 2012, 09:55 posted on

What's the difference between innovation and an upgrade? Real innovation is when you do something nobody has done before you, that was deemed impossible or not worth pursuing. In the Nokia 808 PureView, which has been conceived and tweaked in Nokia's R&D labs for the last five years we have these markings of ...

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posted on 25 Jun 2012, 14:29 4

39. SleepingOz (unregistered)

No other OS can handle this camera? Based on what? Fanboys' stupidity at its peak!

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 15:26 1

48. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

OS itself might not be able to handle it, but these manufacturers might create their own SW to handle such camera. At least in case of Android. Anyway, such technology is probably patented, so i don't think we will see anything like PureView from other manufacturers in years coming.

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 02:50

88. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)

Well, about 70 patents ringfence the PureView tech. But I'd like to hear your counter-argument in more detail.

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 06:15

102. stylinred (Posts: 50; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)

well sony has pixel binning tech used in their micro 4/3s cameras i can see them bringing that over to their phones of course their binning tech doesn't take that many adjacent pixels and bins them (only 4) and I think they're paying Phase One a licensing fee to use that tech

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 20:54

163. xsacha (Posts: 11; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)

The Nokia N8 used pixel binning too. That's not the magic sauce of 808.

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 06:13

101. stylinred (Posts: 50; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)

based on what we've heard from the engineers behind the camera

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 11:54

117. Meislive (Posts: 1; Member since: 26 Jun 2012)

Well, that is true, because no one other than nokia itself is able to cross the bar set by NOKIA N8(the so called outdated phone) that still competes and even beats many of the so called super smart phones in camera comparison tests.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 12:48 3

33. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

i love the PureView's Hardware. just take it and make it ready for WP8 and i would recommend this to so many people. o.o

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 14:31 1

40. cristianer (Posts: 42; Member since: 20 Aug 2010)

Did you use a tripod? Some photos are really bad.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 15:29 3

50. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

It's not because of camera shake. In some photos (buildings in the city) it's obvious that they were taken with lens full of smudges. Notice that its blurred in some parts of the photo, while pretty sharp in others (and it has nothing with focusing).

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 14:38 3

41. digitalw (Posts: 65; Member since: 20 Dec 2011)

STUPID: " especially if you have some experience with this mobile OS, then your basics will be covered, otherwise the learning curve might be steep. "
Tell me..my mother (65 years old) first got some SE, then againe after 1 year other SE....after 2 years againe SE, this tie SE Xperia Neo... afer one week she just couldn't go with it. After that, se got Nokia C7... in one day of learning, a 65year old woman send me SMS, MMS and made sync of contacts !!!! LEarning curve of SYMBIAN is simply.... simple and fast!

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 14:44 4

42. kanagadeepan (Posts: 928; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)

Nokia is 5 years ahead of others wrt Camera in phones and lags 5 years in rest of things, imho...

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 15:30 3

51. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

That's only because u read PA too much and never tried an actual device.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 15:13 3

44. aoikemono27 (Posts: 177; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)

LolSo Nokia is releasing another half-arsed product? First it was the N9, than the Lumia 800/900, and now the Pureview? This one, like the N9, is probably more for fanservice than actual sales? Fanservice for your continually shrinking pool of fans is not gonna get you out of the financial gutter. WIth how thin phones like the Galaxy S III are nowadays, I'd rather just tape a higher end point and shoot to a phone. It'll probably cost the same too. I'll get speed, a modern OS, and all the benefits of a modern flagship device, with the benefits of a real standalone camera. Slap one of those mods that let you control your camera from your phone.

Where is that Nokia Lumia Pureview I keep on reading about that is suppose to be out? Don't tell me you are waiting until WP8 comes out. Your company might not even exist by then. Abandon Windows phone. The sales and penetration and flexibility are still atrocious. With such a novel camera, you need to be allowed to set yourself apart, and that includes the OS. You can bring some of those fancy features you had on the N9 with a modified Android base.

Then there is of course the burning question about why the average consumer would care at all about a fancy camera when everything else is worse? Much worse in some cases. The pictures are good yes, but they are not AMAZINGLY better, especially not on a small phone screen, and definitely not on that low resolution display on the Pureview. This is a super niche product. There's the average consumer who wants good pictures on a great smartphone. Then there are those who carry around their DSLR because they want high quality pictures, and probably carry around an awesome phone as well. This is some all in one device that compromises too much on both fronts and neither side is gonna want it.

Ick at the Symbian OS. It still looks like a 320x240 OS. The font is terribly ugly. The icons are drab and depressing. The whole experience is depressing. Samsung uses black in settings and some menus, but the rest is colorful and vibrant. Nokia uses a combination of black, low res fonts, icons, menus, and everything else, to make it look like a windows 3.1 machine. And it's as slow as one. People keep on saying how much Symbian has evolved over the years, but as far as look and feel is concerned, it doesn't seem any better than the old N73 I had years and years ago. Heck, it doesn't look better than the s40 6233 I had, which was even older.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 20:59

164. xsacha (Posts: 11; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)

It's 640x360. The font is the new Nokia Pure (which is similar if not the same as WP7 font, Segoe). Best of all you can change the font if you don't like it. The fonts aren't 'low res', they are suited for the resolution of the device (640x360).
Not sure how you can say it's slow running on this 1.3GHz processor. N8 ran fluidly on 680MHz.

It doesn't seem better than your N73 because you think it is your N73. You've described your N73 and not an 808. And then you're comparing that ancient N73 to modern phones.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 15:57 4

53. thunderising (Posts: 232; Member since: 25 Nov 2011)

Well, they said they'll make a camera phone, and my my what an amazing product.

- Symbian Belle OS is greatly optimized
- Belle Store has the essential apps covered
- Use Opera Browser, better than stock

At the end of the day, you know why you bought this phone. To capture great shots, shoot videos and definitely for calling and texting (which this phone does great) with a battery life more than 8 hours (which this phone gives around a weekend full).

I don't know why Phonearena asks for 1GB RAM. Do you think 1GB RAM would make the phone better? Look at Windows Phones. It's about optimization.

Oh, yes the screen resolution is a drawback indeed. If only Nokia had put it up to qHD, it would have still kept the aspect ratio intact.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 17:28 2

63. SleepingOz (unregistered)

"I don't know why Phonearena asks for 1GB RAM. Do you think 1GB RAM would make the phone better? Look at Windows Phones. It's about optimization."
Read the article again, you'll understand why they asked for 1GB of RAM..
and yeah you're right, the 808 ain't a WP.. =]

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 21:02

165. xsacha (Posts: 11; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)

It has 512MB RAM which is 2x the N8.
It is definitely not starved for RAM. It has too much if anything. It can run 64 applications simultaneously with full multitasking. And it doesn't lag at all whilst doing so.

Not sure why PA said that other than ignorance. They clearly haven't used Symbian before since they didn't know to install Opera Mobile (best browser in the world) or fMobi (best facebook client in the world) rather than using stock clients.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 16:05 4

55. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

Nokia 808 certainly isn't only for fans. Or there are still too many of them, since it is the most viewed device (together with SGS3) on gsmarena since it was announced.

SGS3 and high end P&S are MUCH thicker, heavier and more expensive combo than Nokia 808. I'll rather take N808, since I have no more free pockets for something like high-end P&S camera (+i'll save some money to buy a tablet).

It was said by Mr. Dining that they will need a year more to port PureView to WP. Anyway, i think PureView on Belle FP1 is more powerful combo than PureView on WP8. Even if PA and their readers tend to think otherwise.

Most people don't shoot photos to watch them on 4 or even 4.5" displays. They shoot them to watch them on their 24" displays. Also, go out with your friends and show them some photos on your iPhone. U'll notice that photos on iPhone's screen will look worse than those on 808's screen despite much higher resolution. Simply because things like contrast, colors, sunlight readability are more important in such circumstances than super high resolution.

Photos from 808 are AMAZINGLY better than other smartphones. Anyone who's claiming otherwise know nothing about photography. I'll suggest u check some of the tests gsmarena performed, like this blind test:http://www.gsmarena.com/pureview_blind_test-review-773p3.php

Claiming that "everything else is worse" is just a stupid lie. Actually it's much better than iPhone or Androids in many things. Battery performance, multitasking, proper landscape UI, free lifetime offline navigation, FM transmitter, superior sound (recording and playback with Dolby Digital Plus), connectivity...

Well, u call Samsung UI vibrant, i call it slushy and childish. Belle FP1 might not be the most colorful, but it's designed with battery performance in mind, for people who're USING their phone, not for people whose phone is just a toy. Not to mention how old-terrible are these Android UIs when it comes to ergonomy. U can't use it properly in one hand, because those smartphones are so huge, and u can't use it properly with two hands, because there's no proper landscape UI.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 16:07

56. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

That was reaction to aoikemono27.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 17:22 3

62. SleepingOz (unregistered)

You remind me of myself, when I used to defend Nokia no matter what.. LOL
Anyway, cool story bro, time to wake up now!

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 00:10 2

75. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

Strong arguments u have !

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 09:49

113. SleepingOz (unregistered)

I wasn't arguing with you dude.. It was just an advice as I used to be biased, like you, towards Nokia until I woke up and decided to sell my crappy N8 to buy a GSII. And guess what? I'm not returning to Nokia anymore.

posted on 27 Jun 2012, 03:49

130. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

I spent a lot of time with SGS1 and wasn't that much excited (comparing to N8).

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 21:09

166. xsacha (Posts: 11; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)

I have Android devices, iOS devices. I've never bought any Nokia devices but have been sent free ones (due to developer status).
I am going to buy an 808 though and I agree with RVM's statements.
I don't think it is biased at all.

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 02:55 1

89. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)

Rest assured, Nokia began the effort of porting PV tech to WP8 back in April 2011, the day after the alliance went live with MSFT. A year has already passed since then...so I wouldn't be surprised to see a WP8 PV in time for XMAS'12. However, I do think it will be a slimmer profile Lumia device with a 22- 26 MP sensor. Plenty enough capability to beat the compeittive field but not enough to take the phone camera crown from the 808. Call it a calculated guess.

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 06:19 1

103. stylinred (Posts: 50; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)

Nokia actually didn't begin looking for someone to code pureview algorithms to WP until March 30 2011
(when they posted a job search on Linkedin)

So don't expect it for some time

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 06:51 1

108. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)

You think it took them 6 months to fill the position?

posted on 27 Jun 2012, 06:34

135. stylinred (Posts: 50; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)

im sorry i typed incorrectly March 30 2012

not 2011 (silly me)

and its been 3 months since then so its going to take a lot of time for them to assemble that team and have that team finish the work and test the device

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 16:22 1

57. utopium (Posts: 5; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)

The church image is out of focus for some reason, there is no way that the details on the 808 are so low. Check your images.

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