Nokia 808 PureView Review
0. phoneArena 25 Jun 2012, 09:55 posted on
What's the difference between innovation and an upgrade? Real innovation is when you do something nobody has done before you, that was deemed impossible or not worth pursuing. In the Nokia 808 PureView, which has been conceived and tweaked in Nokia's R&D labs for the last five years we have these markings of ...
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59. Brewski (Posts: 104; Member since: 05 Jun 2012)
What's the point of having the best camera in the world on a phone if the screen is too crappy to look at the captured image? The only thing you can do is move it to a computer to fully appreciate the picture.
If you put this camera on a good phone then you have something 'innovative'. Until then, this phone is a complete fail.
84. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
This IS good phone. It has powerful yet energy efficient OS and great connectivity. Also, you dont make photos to look them on crappy 4" or 4.5" screens, no matter what resolutions they are. It's kinda like looking through key-hole.
122. Brewski (Posts: 104; Member since: 05 Jun 2012)
"You dont make photos to look them on crappy 4" or 4.5" screens."
This is true but if that's what the picture was taken on and you want to show it off to your friends what screen are you going to use? The one that is attached to the device in your pocket. They say the best camera is the one that's on you, well the same goes for screens and the like.
131. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
For viewing media it's more important to have display with good colors, and good contrast even outdoors than display with super-high resolution (like iP4S). And 808 is now new reigning champion of outdoor contrast test on gsmarena.com.
168. xsacha (Posts: 11; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Yeah the screen resolution sucks. The Nokia Clear Black AMOLED is incredibly good to look at though. More than makes up for this when compared to other phones.
Even many phones that have nice AMOLED displays, like Samsung Galaxy S3, ruin the image by using a PenTile display (which effectively has a much lower resolution than advertised). And, in the case of PenTile, zooming in *will not help*!
For now (on 808), you would need to pinch in and zoom to show details of the photo when showing it to friends.
On future handsets (WP8), the resolution will be higher though. You'll still need to zoom of course (pictures are huge) but not so much.
104. stylinred (Posts: 49; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
tell me how great the screens are on compact cameras?
and what do 99.99% of photographers do with their photos? they put them on their computers to view/edit...
123. Brewski (Posts: 104; Member since: 05 Jun 2012)
True but those devices are made soley for the pupose of taking pictures. Phones these days are supposed to have decent screens to do all kinds of things including watching video, playing games and LOOKING AT PICTURES...
173. stylinred (Posts: 49; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
i just compared my 808 with my cousins huawei Ascend P1 the screens are the same.... i'd daresay that the 808 produced better colours/brightness
granted that Ascend is 540x960 but that's more than the 808s 360x640
they're both AMOLED screens but i think the 808 edges out due to it being true RGB whereas the Ascend is Pentile
point being resolution #s don't mean everything
120. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
you stupid child. This resolution has nothing to do with picture quality. I don't see pixels on my N8 when looking at pictures. And mostly I look at them using my tv or monitor douchebag.
124. Brewski (Posts: 104; Member since: 05 Jun 2012)
Hey, don't take it personally. I said the phone was a fail, not you...
172. nissin (Posts: 2; Member since: 19 Jul 2012)
lol at Brewski :P
But I agree with stylinred, you don't need a oh so great display to take good pics
67. mapads2k3 (Posts: 3; Member since: 25 Jun 2012)
I might as well buy myself a Canon S100 and rely on my trusty Galaxy Note for my smartphone needs.
82. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Yea, but that would be thicker, heavier and more expensive combo than N808. And you will also need one more free pocket in your jeans. A big one.
105. stylinred (Posts: 49; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
the only thing that the S100 has over the 808 is its ability to shoot in RAW mode
other than that the 808 is the better camera (larger sensor/mpx/noise levels etc etc)
what you want is the Sony RX100 which comes out in a few weeks for around the same price as the 808 but its even larger than the S100
68. remtothemax (Posts: 171; Member since: 02 May 2012)
i have such mixed feelings about this phone
on the one hand, this is really exciting, it really is to see something so new with the potential to finally converge point and shoot cameras into cell phones
they ate mp3s and pdas, it would be cool to fold in the dedicated camera as well
but the thing is, is it really innovative? yes
will it be months or years before the competition has caught up? yes
but honestly, is it really going to matter comercially until they can get it into a phone that doesn't look like a remote control?
i mean its cool, but as much as taking nice pictures would be
i don't really use the camera on my phone all that much
and i am much more interested in a lightning fast phone, with an eye catching screen, and a sleek profile
also, i understand that it is a new device, kind of more a proof of concept than a serious attempt at a niche flagship
but i have to question, why would you put an amazing 41mp sensor that produces knife sharp images...and then give the phone a low resolution screen?
doesn't that sort of, on the go at least, undo the benefit of having the massive, super high quality sensor in the first place?
109. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
Not really. The benefits of these high quality images will be better apprecaited on large displays and in print. Unless zooming, the smaller screens on mobile phones really do not do this camera justice.
71. stylinred (Posts: 49; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
the Microsoft apps actually aren't from the recent Microsoft/Nokia merger it was a deal made between the last Nokia CEO and actually Stephen Elop when he was heading Office over at msft
77. kamil (Posts: 115; Member since: 07 Feb 2012)
I'm waiting for the windows phone version of the nokia pureview and wish for
-windows phone 8 OS
-at least a dual core processor
-4.3 inch display
-1 gb of ram
99. Dr_fajardo (Posts: 32; Member since: 29 Apr 2012)
21 mp pureview (smaller cellphone)
windows phone 8
110. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
Yes, plus MicroSD, FM transmitter, USB OTG, HD FFC, 1GB RAM. N8 sized Xenon flash w/LED, NFC.
78. sajith930 (Posts: 4; Member since: 26 Jun 2012)
"Symbian and Android are the only ones with true multitasking, until memory runs out"
What about MeeGo.....????
81. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Well, MeeGo is probably the best in multitasking of those three, but it's market share is almost non existent. Sadly.
106. stylinred (Posts: 49; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
symbian/android uses Preemptive multitasking
Maemo uses Real Time multitasking
115. deadhead (Posts: 17; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Symbian and Maemo use the exact same way to multitask. Its up to the developer to stop the application from running in the background.
"EKA2 is multi-tasking. It switches CPU time between multiple threads, giving the user of the mobile phone the impression that multiple applications are running at the same time."
133. stylinred (Posts: 49; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
EKA2 is a ((((preemptively)))) multi-tasking OS.
right under the diagram after your quote... like i said android/symbian are premptive multitaskers
90. akmaintu (Posts: 42; Member since: 08 Jan 2012)
one word awesome, just go for it. i am using this phone for the past few days am just blown away by its performance.
91. weirdfisher (Posts: 51; Member since: 31 Mar 2011)
there Is no ovi store anymore
it is called Nokia Store!!!!
95. djmuzi (Posts: 11; Member since: 12 Oct 2009)
Are you guys blind? The first 2 rowns of pictures compared to the GF2 are totally blurry and worse than anything else on the smarphone market... Did the autofocus not work properly? Or did you leave Macro mode on? Whar happened there? And why you didn's see this?
Look at this first pic and say that it is not blurry!?!?
It's the same... seems to be out of focus too.
112. ReturningToNokia (Posts: 130; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)
Stylinred - The point is, that Pureview IS coming to WP8 phones; so what if it is in 2013? There is no reason for someone who doesn't want to use Nokia Belle or Symbian to settle for and purchase this device just to use Pureview.
Those wanting to use WP8, surely, will find that it will be worth the wait to get the best cameraphone experience while using the OS that they desire.
134. stylinred (Posts: 49; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
I dont understand your comment at all?? what does that have to do with mine?
111. snowgator (Posts: 3015; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
If you were going to axe Symbian, and I do not think Nokia should have, at least go out with a huge bang. Fun device, and what an exciting look ahead to those of us excited for WP8 can expect. If Nokia can tread water for a little longer, maybe the future ain't as bleak as people have painted it.
114. deadhead (Posts: 17; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
GSMarena destroyed you with their review.. this reads like an amateur blog post, not a professional review.
118. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Well GSMArena is probably the best among major review sites, but i wouldn't call this one bad. Actually it's pretty good for PA standards. However, something was wrong while shooting photos in the town (those historical buildings), which are clearly out of focus.
116. deadhead (Posts: 17; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Your unit has bad optics.. each of the lenses is individually aligned, I guess you got unlucky. All of your pictures loose a lot of detail toward the right edge. That is the first one I've seen that has this problem.. i just checked allaboutsymbian and theirs shoots perfectly across the whole frame.
119. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Isn't this the case only with some photos ? Maybe some smudges on lens ?
121. djmuzi (Posts: 11; Member since: 12 Oct 2009)
The same old camera problems like on the N8....
128. Snoobab (Posts: 127; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
"Overall, in terms of functionality Symbian Belle FP1 on the Nokia 808 PureView can rank along the modern Android, iOS, or Windows Phone, and sometimes excels in things like a full landscape layout and easy file transfer. When it comes to fluidity and user experience, though, it is much less uniform, requires a steeper learning curve, and its outdated resolution and processor support stand little chance against the contemporary mobile OS players." -- Well said, this is the best descrption I've heard of Belle OS in a long, long time. It can do everything the others can, albeit in a more "clunky" fashion.
139. cheeseycheeser (Posts: 239; Member since: 24 Mar 2011)
The camera is pretty awesome! But the only good thing about this POS. I'd much rather give up the unnecessarily good camera for a much, MUCH better phone such as the GSIII or Lumia 900.
140. cheeseycheeser (Posts: 239; Member since: 24 Mar 2011)
Not to mention, Symbian basically is like Android's uglier, badly executed cousin.
141. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
I strongly believe that 90% users commenting this artcicle NEVER EVER HAVE HAD any symbian phone in their very own hands.
fu$% your "android-like uglier cousin" argument. This discussion reminds me "ios similarities versus android". Pointless.
Belle especially fp1 is quick and stable enough to run effciently through your typical day. It has most functions that android has (and even more) and you are accusing it only because you've never had it and Symbian is passe.
143. Schmao (Posts: 302; Member since: 05 Jul 2009)
Use this sensor in WP8 or Android with a nice design, and I think i see my next phone.
158. Andrewtst (Posts: 205; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Beside the gorgeous camera, this phone is epic FAIL.
- Outdated & ugly design
- Oversize Camera lens, bulky
- Too small resolution, not good on internet surfing and a lot others task.
- No development & bad touch OS - Symbian Belle - soon R.I.P OS.
169. xsacha (Posts: 11; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
#1 and #2 are the same thing and it's because of the gorgeous camera that it is so bulky.
Yes, #3 the resolution is the only disappointment of this phone and it is primarily because that's what previous Symbian devices had used. However, they did stick the best possible screen they could (for 640x360) on the device. Overall, I'd much prefer this 640x360 display compared to ANY PenTile Display (looking at you, SGS3). As with a PenTile Display, even zooming in to the image will not help you!
#4 could have been prevented. Nokia has hampered its development by announcing its abandonment early and the apps will likely forever remain in 2011-era. 2011 wasn't that bad though. Symbian has all the goodies like Molome, Whatsapp (and soon Viber), Samba/CIFS shares, dukto, remote desktop, wireless hotspot, integrated voip (best on any OS), ..
175. Waynest (Posts: 1; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
Actually there is nothing wrong with internet surfing either, if you bother to download opera for browser. I admit that the default browser is a failure, but with opera symbian phones are on par with any other OS to use the internet.
180. Smartech (Posts: 2; Member since: 29 Aug 2012)
Outdated design? well you walk in somewhere with your boxy hard to handle idiotphone and everyone immediatelylooks at you like another sheep following the crowd. I happen to own the devoce and nothing is bulky. I guess if one can only afford the see the photos, it looks bulky to them. Developement is what Nokia and Symbian started before you could even hold a phone in your hand and continued to wet your pants.
Comparing anything without hands on use/experience and simply reading/echoing others biased opinion is not an opinion. Again following the crowd. And for the other fellow that seems to think Nokia abandoned the Symbian...... Well Nokia just introduced a brand new revolutionary phone, selling for $700. because they wanted to abandon the OS. WOW.
174. paudebbs (Posts: 1; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)
Nokia 808 primary objective is to be the best camera phone, and nokia did it.... It may have the old symbian but still for nokia fan like me, i want to owned it.... I do have new ipad tablet, and this will be a perfect combination for me.... I really want to have it. I'll save money, and by december,,,,,ill try to buy it......
177. sonnycrockett (Posts: 1; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)
who gives a s**t about apps? It's really ridiculous and completely inessential in life, people can happily live without it. Apps bring the easy-minded public to its knees, like my aunt who can't imagine her life without her iPhone
179. Smartech (Posts: 2; Member since: 29 Aug 2012)
Nokia 808 is amazing smartphone with the best camera available to date. It's basically SUPERSIZED Nokia N8 with better speed, Camera, etc.For those who continue to echo certain perception about Symbian OS, all I can say is that it's obvious you have not used a Symbian OS or you must be an average low tech person. I ve used every phone that exists to date and while I dont think there is one that is best or better than other, I do think that when it comes to functionality it must be versatile and perform properly and Symbian seems to do exactly that.
Granted Android and Iphone have 1 biilion (useless) apps and Android has full flash function but both lack many useful functions like FM Transmitter, ability to see all your emails on home screen widget (as you recieve em), send/recieve file between devices and ability to connect to ad-hoc network, and few more.
Someone here was talking about hacking their Android. Obvious this person did not understand what hacking means. They have simply downloaded few programs and use it to load stuff on their Android phone and find such task amazing. Well go out an buy an old Nokia N95 which is about 6-7 years old none touch screen phone and other than being slow begin to find out that many of the functions these so called popular phone have today as revolutionary abilities, was in use on the N95 years ago. You dont need to hack a phone to get its full potential.Hacking is needed when operators or phone maker locks down its systems to force the user only get stuff through them. You dont need to hack a Symbian phone as almost all the apps are available through many sites and can be easily installed on the phone. I guess people are so used to getting these restricted phones like AOS or IOS that they find it revolutionary when they re finally able to install apps from the web. No it s not revolutionary, just simple installation if you own a Symbian. And before continuing to echo the Symbian being this and that, please specify the exact problem that you have with the Symbian OS. May be you dont know how to use it and someone can point you in the right direction.
182. Miley_3d (Posts: 16; Member since: 02 Oct 2012)
The technology of PureView by nokia is Beautiful.
i LOVE Nokia 808 PureView Because the camera of 808 is more than Better ever made on mobile phone, and it's great for people that want take photograph with a phone.
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184. vanessaelizebeth (Posts: 18; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)
Thank you nokia for such a wonderful and amazing phone like the 808 pureview!