Nokia 808 PureView Review
0. phoneArena 25 Jun 2012, 09:55 posted on
What's the difference between innovation and an upgrade? Real innovation is when you do something nobody has done before you, that was deemed impossible or not worth pursuing. In the Nokia 808 PureView, which has been conceived and tweaked in Nokia's R&D labs for the last five years we have these markings of ...
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19. OptimusOne (Posts: 694; Member since: 22 May 2012)
symbian isn't as ugly as it used to be
atleast with symbian we have more frequent updates
i kinda want this...
24. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
!!! HERE IS MATH TASK !!!
1) Operating System 'A' was updated two times this year and each of two updates was containing five improvements.
2) Operating System 'B' was updated ten times this year and each of ten updates was containing one improvement.
So, OS 'B' was updated more times than OS 'A', does it mean OS 'B' is better ?
Strange that people used to decide about how good OS is by count of updates... :)
29. SleepingOz (unregistered)
47. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Well, i bought my N8 in december 2010 with Symbian^3 onboard. In next year i got Anna and Belle updates. If u compare S^3 and Belle, there are more differences than Android brought at the same time scale.
49. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
I'm talking not about that, I just say that it is nonsense to decide about how good OS by count of updates. Because not quantity of updates are important but quality.
69. stylinred (Posts: 50; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
his point was that the system is getting more attention and improvements instead of the long drawn out periods between updates compared to older symbian phones
you're suggesting that frequent updates seen are bad how so?
97. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"you're suggesting that frequent updates seen are bad how so?"
I'm not saying that. Read comment #24 and try to understand.
58. SleepingOz (unregistered)
Belle is barely able to catch up Froyo so..
73. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Ah.. Froyo times... It was back when u couldn't install apps on your external drives, ending up with one or two big games installed on main memory, and not able to install more app ?. Those were really great times!
86. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
Comparing S60v3 to Belle FP1 kills your entire argument. If you haven't used Belle, just say so. Otherwise, you appear like a rabid dog.
54. denied911 (banned) (Posts: 361; Member since: 31 May 2012)
this OS sucks and I use nokia n8
87. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
Which OS on the N8? It's changed a bit since 2010, as you may know.
161. xsacha (Posts: 11; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Nokia N8 doesn't even have this OS. Belle FP1 has new widgets, mutlitasking UI, it's faster, has new browser, has new camera. Best of all, the hardware specs for running FP1 are 2x that of N8. Twice the RAM, twice the CPU clock, 4-5x the GPU performance.
9. imran_khan0786 (Posts: 61; Member since: 21 Jun 2012)
No other phone can compare with its camera and Dolby sound sorround. Other wise phone also too good.
I love Nokia. I need that type of camera.
11. akmaintu (Posts: 42; Member since: 08 Jan 2012)
who soever saying nokia belle is not good check this out
17. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
I don't say that Symbian Belle is bad OS, but in your opinion how this video proves that Symbian Belle is good OS? I mean it is jut a advertisement. :)
21. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Belle FP1 64 apps multitasking on cheap Nokia.
37. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Yes, this video is more serious. :)
61. Martine (Posts: 102; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
is Pureview a cheap phone?
dude, you need to wake up
162. xsacha (Posts: 11; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
They have same specs (CPU, RAM, GPU, ROM). Also same firmware/OS.
14. ReturningToNokia (Posts: 130; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)
8.5? Too generous, Phone Arena, but very kind of you :)
Camera is outstanding, but the OS associated with said camera, means a no buy from me.
My N8 may not produce the same picture quality as the 808, but Symbian (Belle/Belle FP1) is the main deterrent for me.
My next Nokia purchase will be WP8/Lumia with Pureview.
18. OptimusOne (Posts: 694; Member since: 22 May 2012)
they gotta mention iphone
pureview camera crushes iphone camera in every single way
20. smartphone (Posts: 160; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
No they can't use iPhone becoz it will look bad and Apple will file a case against PA.
23. wsucoug13 (Posts: 164; Member since: 04 May 2012)
This phone serves its purpose perfectly. Not everyone cares about having an amazing phone but want a great camera. The camera on this thing is WAY above anything else on a phone and this phone can still do facebook and all the other little things that 90% of people demand out of a phone. I will never get for myself, it isn't what I am looking for in a phone but I must acknowledge the innovation and the niche that Nokia just made for themselves.
25. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Nokia 808 is great multimedia device. Both when it comes to content creation (stills/video/audio) and also while enjoying content. U can watch your media on a display with great colors (ClearBlack AMOLED) even in sunny days, when all other displays are just a grey mess. U don't have to install any additional software to enjoy videos whether they are DivX, Xvid, MKV or even FLV, with subtitles and Dolby Digital Plus audio. You can connect your 808 and watch your media on any type of screen, 1080p via HDMI, wirelessly through DLNA or even via A/V link (for older TVs). You can listen to your music on your headphones with Dolby Headphone or on your car's radio (using FM transmitter). You don't need any additional software (like iTunes or Zune) to transfer your files to PC or to 808. You can also connect USB sticks or other USB devices to your 808 (USB on-the-go).
You can operate your device comfortably with one hand in portrait mode (because it's not too huge like usual Android flagship devices). You can operate it comfortably in landscape mode, because whole UI is also landscape designed, unlike in Android, iOS or WP. U can hold it safely while taking a shot, because it's much more safer to hold it this way, unlike it is on anorectic smartphones nowadays.
Built-in browser might not be the best around, but there's also free Opera Mobile available, which is one of the most comfortable and advanced browsers in mobile world. Nokia Store has more than 100k applications (not only 50k like mentioned in review). Oh and i have almost forgot that u also have free lifetime offline navigation, MS Office (which is available only on WP and Symbian) and great battery performance.
26. xplayer (Posts: 14; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
PhoneArena Y U NO put video on YOUTUBE ?????????????
27. FAUguy (Posts: 77; Member since: 09 Apr 2008)
I'd like to see Motorola, HTC, or Samsung have a high quality camera like this on an Android phone for the US.
31. PhansMuneeb (Posts: 363; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)
It's not possible because no other os has the ability to process such a monster camera, well Nokia will bring it on wp8
39. SleepingOz (unregistered)
No other OS can handle this camera? Based on what? Fanboys' stupidity at its peak!
48. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
OS itself might not be able to handle it, but these manufacturers might create their own SW to handle such camera. At least in case of Android. Anyway, such technology is probably patented, so i don't think we will see anything like PureView from other manufacturers in years coming.
88. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
Well, about 70 patents ringfence the PureView tech. But I'd like to hear your counter-argument in more detail.
102. stylinred (Posts: 50; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
well sony has pixel binning tech used in their micro 4/3s cameras i can see them bringing that over to their phones of course their binning tech doesn't take that many adjacent pixels and bins them (only 4) and I think they're paying Phase One a licensing fee to use that tech
163. xsacha (Posts: 11; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
The Nokia N8 used pixel binning too. That's not the magic sauce of 808.
101. stylinred (Posts: 50; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
based on what we've heard from the engineers behind the camera
117. Meislive (Posts: 1; Member since: 26 Jun 2012)
Well, that is true, because no one other than nokia itself is able to cross the bar set by NOKIA N8(the so called outdated phone) that still competes and even beats many of the so called super smart phones in camera comparison tests.
33. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5688; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i love the PureView's Hardware. just take it and make it ready for WP8 and i would recommend this to so many people. o.o
40. cristianer (Posts: 41; Member since: 20 Aug 2010)
Did you use a tripod? Some photos are really bad.
50. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
It's not because of camera shake. In some photos (buildings in the city) it's obvious that they were taken with lens full of smudges. Notice that its blurred in some parts of the photo, while pretty sharp in others (and it has nothing with focusing).
41. digitalw (Posts: 62; Member since: 20 Dec 2011)
STUPID: " especially if you have some experience with this mobile OS, then your basics will be covered, otherwise the learning curve might be steep. "
Tell me..my mother (65 years old) first got some SE, then againe after 1 year other SE....after 2 years againe SE, this tie SE Xperia Neo... afer one week she just couldn't go with it. After that, se got Nokia C7... in one day of learning, a 65year old woman send me SMS, MMS and made sync of contacts !!!! LEarning curve of SYMBIAN is simply.... simple and fast!
42. kanagadeepan (Posts: 785; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
Nokia is 5 years ahead of others wrt Camera in phones and lags 5 years in rest of things, imho...
51. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
That's only because u read PA too much and never tried an actual device.
44. aoikemono27 (Posts: 177; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
LolSo Nokia is releasing another half-arsed product? First it was the N9, than the Lumia 800/900, and now the Pureview? This one, like the N9, is probably more for fanservice than actual sales? Fanservice for your continually shrinking pool of fans is not gonna get you out of the financial gutter. WIth how thin phones like the Galaxy S III are nowadays, I'd rather just tape a higher end point and shoot to a phone. It'll probably cost the same too. I'll get speed, a modern OS, and all the benefits of a modern flagship device, with the benefits of a real standalone camera. Slap one of those mods that let you control your camera from your phone.
Where is that Nokia Lumia Pureview I keep on reading about that is suppose to be out? Don't tell me you are waiting until WP8 comes out. Your company might not even exist by then. Abandon Windows phone. The sales and penetration and flexibility are still atrocious. With such a novel camera, you need to be allowed to set yourself apart, and that includes the OS. You can bring some of those fancy features you had on the N9 with a modified Android base.
Then there is of course the burning question about why the average consumer would care at all about a fancy camera when everything else is worse? Much worse in some cases. The pictures are good yes, but they are not AMAZINGLY better, especially not on a small phone screen, and definitely not on that low resolution display on the Pureview. This is a super niche product. There's the average consumer who wants good pictures on a great smartphone. Then there are those who carry around their DSLR because they want high quality pictures, and probably carry around an awesome phone as well. This is some all in one device that compromises too much on both fronts and neither side is gonna want it.
Ick at the Symbian OS. It still looks like a 320x240 OS. The font is terribly ugly. The icons are drab and depressing. The whole experience is depressing. Samsung uses black in settings and some menus, but the rest is colorful and vibrant. Nokia uses a combination of black, low res fonts, icons, menus, and everything else, to make it look like a windows 3.1 machine. And it's as slow as one. People keep on saying how much Symbian has evolved over the years, but as far as look and feel is concerned, it doesn't seem any better than the old N73 I had years and years ago. Heck, it doesn't look better than the s40 6233 I had, which was even older.
164. xsacha (Posts: 11; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
It's 640x360. The font is the new Nokia Pure (which is similar if not the same as WP7 font, Segoe). Best of all you can change the font if you don't like it. The fonts aren't 'low res', they are suited for the resolution of the device (640x360).
Not sure how you can say it's slow running on this 1.3GHz processor. N8 ran fluidly on 680MHz.
It doesn't seem better than your N73 because you think it is your N73. You've described your N73 and not an 808. And then you're comparing that ancient N73 to modern phones.
53. thunderising (Posts: 232; Member since: 25 Nov 2011)
Well, they said they'll make a camera phone, and my my what an amazing product.
- Symbian Belle OS is greatly optimized
- Belle Store has the essential apps covered
- Use Opera Browser, better than stock
At the end of the day, you know why you bought this phone. To capture great shots, shoot videos and definitely for calling and texting (which this phone does great) with a battery life more than 8 hours (which this phone gives around a weekend full).
I don't know why Phonearena asks for 1GB RAM. Do you think 1GB RAM would make the phone better? Look at Windows Phones. It's about optimization.
Oh, yes the screen resolution is a drawback indeed. If only Nokia had put it up to qHD, it would have still kept the aspect ratio intact.
63. SleepingOz (unregistered)
"I don't know why Phonearena asks for 1GB RAM. Do you think 1GB RAM would make the phone better? Look at Windows Phones. It's about optimization."
Read the article again, you'll understand why they asked for 1GB of RAM..
and yeah you're right, the 808 ain't a WP.. =]
165. xsacha (Posts: 11; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
It has 512MB RAM which is 2x the N8.
It is definitely not starved for RAM. It has too much if anything. It can run 64 applications simultaneously with full multitasking. And it doesn't lag at all whilst doing so.
Not sure why PA said that other than ignorance. They clearly haven't used Symbian before since they didn't know to install Opera Mobile (best browser in the world) or fMobi (best facebook client in the world) rather than using stock clients.
55. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Nokia 808 certainly isn't only for fans. Or there are still too many of them, since it is the most viewed device (together with SGS3) on gsmarena since it was announced.
SGS3 and high end P&S are MUCH thicker, heavier and more expensive combo than Nokia 808. I'll rather take N808, since I have no more free pockets for something like high-end P&S camera (+i'll save some money to buy a tablet).
It was said by Mr. Dining that they will need a year more to port PureView to WP. Anyway, i think PureView on Belle FP1 is more powerful combo than PureView on WP8. Even if PA and their readers tend to think otherwise.
Most people don't shoot photos to watch them on 4 or even 4.5" displays. They shoot them to watch them on their 24" displays. Also, go out with your friends and show them some photos on your iPhone. U'll notice that photos on iPhone's screen will look worse than those on 808's screen despite much higher resolution. Simply because things like contrast, colors, sunlight readability are more important in such circumstances than super high resolution.
Photos from 808 are AMAZINGLY better than other smartphones. Anyone who's claiming otherwise know nothing about photography. I'll suggest u check some of the tests gsmarena performed, like this blind test:http://www.gsmarena.com/purevi
Claiming that "everything else is worse" is just a stupid lie. Actually it's much better than iPhone or Androids in many things. Battery performance, multitasking, proper landscape UI, free lifetime offline navigation, FM transmitter, superior sound (recording and playback with Dolby Digital Plus), connectivity...
Well, u call Samsung UI vibrant, i call it slushy and childish. Belle FP1 might not be the most colorful, but it's designed with battery performance in mind, for people who're USING their phone, not for people whose phone is just a toy. Not to mention how old-terrible are these Android UIs when it comes to ergonomy. U can't use it properly in one hand, because those smartphones are so huge, and u can't use it properly with two hands, because there's no proper landscape UI.
62. SleepingOz (unregistered)
You remind me of myself, when I used to defend Nokia no matter what.. LOL
Anyway, cool story bro, time to wake up now!
113. SleepingOz (unregistered)
I wasn't arguing with you dude.. It was just an advice as I used to be biased, like you, towards Nokia until I woke up and decided to sell my crappy N8 to buy a GSII. And guess what? I'm not returning to Nokia anymore.
130. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
I spent a lot of time with SGS1 and wasn't that much excited (comparing to N8).
166. xsacha (Posts: 11; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
I have Android devices, iOS devices. I've never bought any Nokia devices but have been sent free ones (due to developer status).
I am going to buy an 808 though and I agree with RVM's statements.
I don't think it is biased at all.
89. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
Rest assured, Nokia began the effort of porting PV tech to WP8 back in April 2011, the day after the alliance went live with MSFT. A year has already passed since then...so I wouldn't be surprised to see a WP8 PV in time for XMAS'12. However, I do think it will be a slimmer profile Lumia device with a 22- 26 MP sensor. Plenty enough capability to beat the compeittive field but not enough to take the phone camera crown from the 808. Call it a calculated guess.
103. stylinred (Posts: 50; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
Nokia actually didn't begin looking for someone to code pureview algorithms to WP until March 30 2011
(when they posted a job search on Linkedin)
So don't expect it for some time
108. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
You think it took them 6 months to fill the position?
135. stylinred (Posts: 50; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
im sorry i typed incorrectly March 30 2012
not 2011 (silly me)
and its been 3 months since then so its going to take a lot of time for them to assemble that team and have that team finish the work and test the device
57. utopium (Posts: 5; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
The church image is out of focus for some reason, there is no way that the details on the 808 are so low. Check your images.