Microsoft Surface Pro Review
0. phoneArena posted on 11 Feb 2013, 08:50
For those who waited out the storm, the timing is finally over, as the highly equipped Microsoft Surface Pro is hitting the scene with its full Windows 8 experience. No folks, this isn't merely a Surface with Windows 8 slapped on, but rather, there's been a complete overhaul in the hardware department as well – making it a viable competitor to not only some of the titans in the tablet market, but also a killer ultrabook rival as well...
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1. _Bone_ posted on 11 Feb 2013, 09:03 28
To be honest I don't see all the fuss about a $1000 touchscreen windows device when you can get a very decent laptop or Ultrabook for the same price with 10 times the storage, more cable outputs and better battery life, which is not too kind on the Surface Pro.
Windows - laptop
iOS - tablet
Android - phone.
That's the way I see the best HW-OS match for portable devices.
7. feres13 posted on 11 Feb 2013, 09:34 5
I agree with you, however i'd pick Mac OS for laptops since they can tun both windows and OS x
11. alterecho posted on 11 Feb 2013, 10:21 6
You mean mac hardware, since OS is compatible on it.
35. tmcblog posted on 12 Feb 2013, 05:41 5
Macbook is sh*t... with the same price I can get a laptop with 2 more cores of processor, twice the memory, twice the storage and better GPU. The best thing is I can play battlefield 3 and have ubuntu OS that can be modified into MacOS X look & feel ;)
You can't play Battlefield 3 in Macbook :(
13. haseebzahid posted on 11 Feb 2013, 10:33 5
lame its the best idea any company could think of bringing tablet to real useable form not make toys like ipads and androids
32. theokan posted on 12 Feb 2013, 01:31 2
That's because you already have everything you need. People generally don't buy an SUV if they already have a van.
The real question is, if you can only have one device, would you choose the Surface Pro, the Windows laptop, or the iOS tablet? You may not personally choose the Surface Pro, but there is definately a market for it.
33. _Bone_ posted on 12 Feb 2013, 03:16 0
I have a desktop and a phone and considering an inbetweener, but can't see picking up the Pro. Theoretically the W8 tabtop is the ideal device with all-around functionality, but HW requirements take a toll on the price and battery life. So I'm like "wait for the HD Nexus 7 / iPad Mini because they are priced so well, or an updated Nexus 10 for a little more", all great bang for the buck mostly covering my needs.
Even at $600 the Pro would face great competition, so where Microsoft succeeded delivering a user-friendly, modern touchscreen OS, they need to enter the competitive price game, because RT sales show that the iPad-Nexus range is spot on with the performance/pricing.
34. theokan posted on 12 Feb 2013, 05:05 2
The most pricey thing on the Surface Pro is the Wacom tech, which costs $900 just by itself (Cintiq 12WX). Ironically it's the least thing that people care for unless you're a digital artist, then it's the best thing in the world because it's a Cintiq with a built in computer for only $1000.
I can see them lowering the price by half just by taking out the Wacom pen feature, but then at that price range they would be competing with their own Surface RT. I think RT should have never happened, they could have released a $500 Surface Pro without the Wacom tech, then a $900 version of Surface Pro with the Wacom for those who needs it in their industry.
I would still personally get the $900 version because I'm mostly buying it just for the Wacom.
36. _Bone_ posted on 12 Feb 2013, 06:56 0
Just curious, how much does the Note 10.1's pen feature cost? Actually that's one thing I always admired, to utilize the touchscreen with proper pen tech.
43. theokan posted on 13 Feb 2013, 10:42 0
The Galaxy Note 10.1 is also Wacom and works great on Android, only downside is that it can't be used on a PC or Mac, so you can’t take advantage of the Wacom tech for any work and development that’s done on the computer.
Right now Wacom sort of owns a monopoly so they get to price their tech based on how badly people need them. Touch upgrade on the 24HD costs $1000 extra, while PC/Mac connectivity is worth much more than on phone/ tablet OS because of the profession industries that require Wacom as a mandatory tool.
The Surface Pro will compete with the Wacom Cintiq 12WX, they are very similar except Surface Pro is a full PC whereas Cintiq 12WX is just an input device. If Surface Pro costs any less I don’t think Wacom would have allowed Microsoft to use their tech. They can’t have a cheaper product borrowing their own technology competing with themselves. The Galaxy Note 10.1 and Note 2, on the other hand, don’t compete with Wacom tablets because they run on Android and can’t be used with industry software on PC or Mac, hence you can enjoy a really high quality penabled feature at less than $500.
If you don’t absolutely need to run on a PC, the Note 10.1 with the Wacom digitizer is an amazing value.
47. iami67 posted on 15 Feb 2013, 09:25 1
This is a silly comment. A lot of people who have a van would def be into buying an Suv because they want to upgrade. Granted the suv isnt a lot more expensive and does everything the same.
The surgace pro would be a lot better at a more affordable price.
39. ahmed_ali_yossef2010 posted on 12 Feb 2013, 18:12 0
there is ipad 4 with the same price why didn't any one say you'd better buy an ultrabook
40. nnaatthhaannx2 posted on 12 Feb 2013, 20:40 0
I'd like to share my opinion:
Desktop - Windows (Mac Pro is outdated, I don't need another iMac screen, Mac mini just sucks)
Laptop - Macbook Pro (that retina display and the overall build quality is fantastic)
Full-sized tablet: iPad (Nexus 10 is just like a landscape N7... it just doesn't work right)
Small tablet- Android (This is the tablet size that actually works well on Android)
Phone - Android. We all know it.
48. ralexand56 posted on 16 Feb 2013, 15:10 1
I would rather replace that laptop and tablet with the surface pro which has the added advantage of a excellent digitizer pen. No way you're going to get a ipad and a decent laptop with the surface pro specs for less than $1000.
54. JimmyMackey posted on 20 Apr 2013, 13:31 0
Granted there are some comparisons that render your point valid, you have to give up some features that I rather like, such as the touch surface, smaller size and full Windows capability in a tablet-like device. I want something more versatile than my iPad, but just as powerful, so I can use it for both my work I do at DISH and entertainment. Now I use my iPad to watch my TV shows by using DISH Anywhere and my DISH Hopper DVR at home. I love it because I can watch TV while I’m on the train, through the internet and get caught up on TV watching when I usually don’t have time at home.
2. valapsp posted on 11 Feb 2013, 09:08 12
Now waiting for PhoneArena's Surface Pro giveaway....
5. ultimatebatman posted on 11 Feb 2013, 09:14 3
I'm not sure why Phone arena is reviewing what is essentially a full PC that detaches from it's keyboard. It's not even fair to compare it side by side with tablets that are 1/2 the price.
6. darac posted on 11 Feb 2013, 09:18 3
So almost one kilogram of weight isn't a disadvantage for a tablet?
It isn't even worth a mention?
That's brilliant, John
15. g2a5b0e posted on 11 Feb 2013, 10:39 11
Calling the Surface Pro just a tablet is akin to calling the Galaxy Note 2 just a phone. It's so much more, man. That critique doesn't work for a device that has as much in common with an ultrabook as it does with a tablet.
8. androidfurever (banned) posted on 11 Feb 2013, 10:08 1
Well, it's no Nexus 10 which is superior in every way.
51. papss posted on 16 Feb 2013, 16:19 1
Yeah no... You are insane to even write that garbage..
9. feres13 posted on 11 Feb 2013, 10:12 2
Here's my opinion : First, given it's price this is closer to an ultrabook than a tablet
For an ultrabook : it doesn't have a great keyboard, the trackpad of the macbook air is alot better, the air has better I/O and a bigger screen for the same price, not to mention os x can run both windows 8 and os x, making it more flexible, it also has half battery life of the air, and isn't confortable to use on a lap, and is underpowered for me since you can't upgrade anything before or after the purchase (4Gb of ram is a big NO), also in the air you can adjust screen orientation while on the surface you're limited to what the kickstand offers, and all the weight is on the top while the keyboard is paper thin.
For a tablet : It has a TERRIBLE battery life, thick, heavy, inconfortable to use in portrait and the ipad shows more in either orientation, the ipad has 300000 apps MADE for it, designed for it that work perfectly, the ipad has also more accessories, and the multimedia ecosystem in far better on the iPad, also the ipad has a better screen and 4G LTE capability.
20. ImQ009 posted on 11 Feb 2013, 12:02 7
You say the iPad has more apps and more accessories.
We all know this isn't true. Don't forget it has a real x86 CPU and USB port.
23. Mobile-X-Pert posted on 11 Feb 2013, 13:21 5
Dude, you can attach any keyboard you want and mouse to the MS Surface.
24. freebee269 posted on 11 Feb 2013, 14:25 3
you know what the cool thing about your opinion is? it still sold out in stores and online with microsoft having 1 million ready to sell the first day. that means your opinion isnt shared by alot of people. i still wonder why you feel the need to comment on most surface articles to try to bash the surface. do you get paid by apple to do it? it seems like it. one thing i've learned from our other convo on another surface article, you think your opinion is in the majority, the first weeks sales say it isnt.
31. theokan posted on 12 Feb 2013, 01:15 2
The way you compare it to an ultrabook separately from a tablet is a form of double standard. The strength of a hybrid is that it combines features from both sides. The iPad doesn't even have a keyboard to be terrible at, and an ultrabook in portrait mode makes even less sense. With the Surface pro, it can transform between the two depending on what works better at a certain task without having to disrupt your workflow by switching devices, or worrying that if both devices can support the same file type.
You get to choose from a collection of 20+ years of legacy software development, the iPad store is still an infant in comparison. As far as accessory support, there are really only two kinds; those that support USB and those that don’t. That pretty much separates the best from the worst.
38. Gatorgreat1 posted on 12 Feb 2013, 14:04 1
I just left the apple store and the 11 inch mac book air has a best battery life of 5 hours. Just thought you should know the Pro is actually the same battery life since the demo units were running a loop in the background when the tests were performed.
12. clevername posted on 11 Feb 2013, 10:29 4
Basically if you wanna quick media consumption device, talking, apps, movies, music, and browsing, go for a tablet with a tablet OS. This isn't for you.
if you want a tablet with a full PC OS that lets you do whatever a desktop or laptop does, this is your cup of tea. The battery isn't much worse than the mid range laptops you'll get, but it does the job. Yes there are better alternatives. But that doesn't mean this is bad or useless. It could be better, but for what it is, it is a great machine.
18. pookiewood posted on 11 Feb 2013, 11:38 0
Which is why I want a Surface RT (at $100-200 cheaper or included KB for Free). I have my laptop for other Programs outside of Metro.
17. UrbanPhantom posted on 11 Feb 2013, 11:09 4
Most tablets are worthless toys, that are gutless. That includes the vaunted iPad, as well as a slew of fancy looking but entirely worthless Android tablets. Microsoft has finally created a tablet that destroys all others in terms of raw power, and it can run x86 software and games. I'd call that a big win for consumers...
42. dimil11 posted on 13 Feb 2013, 03:42 0
You're wrong! For me, the iPad is more useful than my laptop and nowadays, I hardly use my laptop. I do almost all my work on the iPad such as presentations for my classes and write many documents. I find Pages and Keynote apps very easy to use on the iPad and with hand-writing recognition apps I convert everything into digital text in just one tap. The rate of success is about 20 to 30 wrongly relongnized words per 1000. No need to write in a specific way or each letter one by one I just write as I would on paper and as fast and the recognition apps will do their trick. So no need for typing or keyboards.
I'm lucky enough to be able to draw well so I rely a lot on my drawings for my presentations. Drawing and painting on the iPad is a fun and a pleasure. In just a few strokes I can depict something and then copy and paste it into my presentation.
Most importantly the iPad gives me the freedom to work as I like wherever I like. With battery life of about 10 hours even when I use power hungry apps like Pages and with just about 600 grams, carrying my iPad it is easy. By working when I commute and wherever I have some free time during my day at work... five minutes here and five minute there by the time I'm back home I'm done. And that's the reason I never use my laptop.
In my opinion Microsoft misses all the points of what a tablet should be. First, too heavy and very poor battery life, so not really mobile. The keyboard is not needed as hand writing can do the job better. Surface is designed for movies not for writing or drawing. The ratio of the screen is totally wrong. The keyboard cannot stand on your laps but nonetheless it's almost as big as a laptop. You'll be better off to get a laptop on the first place so you can get the full experience of a keyboard if you like keyboard. Travelling around with a keyboard that you can't use but only when on a desk it's just stupid. As for M. Office, I think Pages on the iPad is a lot better as it hasn't got all those useless features M.Office has and yet it converts a document into M- Office format if you need to open it with M. office. I don't see how Surface Pro cannot be a flop. It is useless from any aspect.
46. UrbanPhantom posted on 14 Feb 2013, 21:59 1
After reading your comments, I can tell you this much: the surface has the same wacom stylus technology as the Galaxy Note II, which means it most certainly is meant for drawing and writing. Also, it has enough power to run modern Windows software, as well as legacy programs. That's enough to convince me this tablet is the only tablet that is actually useful...
49. ralexand56 posted on 16 Feb 2013, 15:18 1
Sounds like for your use case the pro craps on your ipad. The digitizer alone makes it better for drawing and you can also run photoshop on it.
19. Muzhhur posted on 11 Feb 2013, 11:49 4
if you are a geek, theres no reason to gat any tablet, you will never get any better xperience from a laptop, also Windows 8 is superb OS, fast and simple
21. testman22 posted on 11 Feb 2013, 12:52 0
I can really see the appeal of this as a working professional who travels frequently for my job. To be able to having something this convenient and portable would be great. However i think the windows 8 software has a few kinks to work out and the best hardware has yet to come.
22. Taters posted on 11 Feb 2013, 12:55 1
If the Surface RT had this screen and a better CPU. I would have bought it over the Nexus 10. They screwed up though.
25. Edmund posted on 11 Feb 2013, 17:33 4
shock horror, a decent score for once.
You android/apple clowns just don't get it, do you? Want a portable tablet for basic tasks like checking E-mail, messages, calendar events, news etc.. use Metro. Attach the keyboard and immediately it becomes a productive work-horse with virtually limitless possibilities.
27. papss posted on 11 Feb 2013, 18:04 2
I have my surface pro 128 coming hopefully within the week (hoping) I preordered it a good bit of time ago. This will be my everything work related PC. I've been waiting for this
28. BattleBrat posted on 11 Feb 2013, 21:48 3
Windows, lock up? My Precision 490 running Windows 7 has NEVER locked up. Threw an SSD in it 8 months ago and never loked back. Apple/iOS/Mac people have to realize the world has caught up and surpassed Apple. I'm buying the Surface pro 128 as soon as back in stock, but the Lenove thinkpad X1 Carbon touch is tempting
30. -box- posted on 11 Feb 2013, 22:23 0
also check out the Acer Aspire S7 touchscreen and Asus Tai Chi and their other touchscreen laptops. That Carbon is really sweet.
37. 7thspaceman posted on 12 Feb 2013, 07:43 1
after checking out a Surface Rt and noticing that the Surface Pro has the same physical layout. I have come to the conclusion that the Microsoft Surface Pro is best used a small
"Portable computer" If folks use it in that capacity they will love it. to turn the Microsoft
Surface Pro into a Laptop convertible it needs a very strong Keyboard dock. it's 2 cover
Keyboards are cool looking and useful but are too weak to make it a LAPTOP CONVERTABLE. Microsoft has a Winner in the surface Pro if People accept the fact it's normal form factor is that of a tablet/portable computer with it's 2 type covers
41. nnaatthhaannx2 posted on 12 Feb 2013, 20:41 0
You should do a 1 month update to your review.
Really intersting to see what new things pop up or what you find interesting after really getting used to the device
44. 7thspaceman posted on 13 Feb 2013, 11:42 2
most people are missing the true facts about the Surface pro != folks the Surface Pro is a hybrid combo Tablet/ portable PC not a hybrid tablet/Laptop. 2=it's has the Electronic guts of a high end Intel i5 CPU ultra book that cost 1000 dollars or more don't believe me go price some of them. 3= because it has the guts of an Ultra book it has about the same battery life of an ultra book which 4 to 5 hours maybe 6 hours tops. 4= the Surface Pro has a full PC OS it for people who want to run full Windows software on a tablet computer.so you Android tablet and Ipad lovers are out of line even comparing it to your devices because these tablets are not what many Windows users want they want a tablet with 100 percent software compatibility with the windows software they use for Business or play. 4= The Microsoft surface pro is not the cheapest windows 8 tablet out there and some of Microsoft's OEM's have Tablet/laptop hybrids that some Windows fans like more than the Microsoft surface pro for instance the Lenovo Helix Windows 8 tablet can have an intel I7 cpu in it that makes it more Powerful than a Surface Pro
45. mrblah posted on 14 Feb 2013, 11:34 1
I'd would buy one if the price wasn't to high, maybe after it flops I'll get a good deal off of ebay.
52. insidethesurface posted on 21 Feb 2013, 10:49 0
@_Bone_ Some people still want to be able to use a Windows operating system with the keyboard and stuff. I think if people are interested in getting a Surface but don't want to cough up $1,000 then they should take a look at the Surface RT.
53. labkhand posted on 06 Mar 2013, 13:12 0
Hi Guys who knows if this tablet’s pen supports Arabic language in writing? (you know Arabic letters are attached to each other for making a word)