LG G2 Review
0. phoneArena 31 Aug 2013, 10:49 posted on
Life hasn't been so good for LG recently, at least when it comes to the smartphone market. In the last couple of years, the company has rolled out a number of high-end, flagship phones that haven't really managed to make a dent. Do you remember the Optimus 4X HD? The Optimus G? The G Pro? OK, the manufacturer scored a sweet deal with Google for the Nexus 4, though everyone knows that the Nexus 4 is anything else but a money-maker...
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112. Taters (Posts: 6298; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Each area has different weights. Obviously the reviewer factors in build and call quality on a lower scale than everything else, which the G2 excels at. It isn't silly and he is weighing in call quality and build. If he wasn't weighing those factors in like your LG hating mind wants to believe, he wouldn't have docked it a .6. Whether or not you think a .6 docking is enough for good enough build quality and good enough call quality depends on where your loyalties lie. I think .6 is harsh for those cons myself.
You are letting your bias factor in here btw. Specs make just as much difference as the skin if not more so. You can see this right away by seeing how much better the Nexus 4 performs compared to the Galaxy Nexus. And you saw the same performance increase from the Galaxy Nexus compared to the Nexus S. Same skins on each device but huge performance boosts. Writing off the performance as more skin than specs is ridiculous and quite false. DNA is always first and then development. You can't turn someone with crap genes into a superstar but you can still save someone with great genes and poor development as long as you get to them before the critical development stages. With specs, your sky is the limit because you can always fix a poor skin with an update, while you can never fix outdated hardware.
I agree that the review is lacking in details but Phonarena has always done that. They saver everything for their vs. videos which I can of like actually.
The reviews they just say which phone has the least deal breakers to the reviewer and then the head to head comparisons get into the details. Nothing wrong with that. It is sites like the Verge and Pocketnow that have terrible reviews.
114. jellmoo (Posts: 1104; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
But that is meaningless is the problem. There is no "weight" a you put it to the cons. A 0.6 compared to what exactly? There is no weight here simply because there is no actual test being done. No comparison. No measuring stick for what is good, and what is bad. Just vague notions of "call quality is average" or "plasticky build".
What bias? Obviously specs play a part, but do you really think that there should be an appreciable difference in lag and general performance between a S600 and a S800? We aren't talking about the radical leap from single core to dual, or dual to quad. This is hardly the same ball game at all. This is the next step of a current chipset, that's all. Skin has played a much larger part in lag over the last gen than anything else.
And *that* is my issue. If this phone deserves a 9.4 that's cool! Yay, a 9.4! But I am tired of reading almost the same review time and again, with the same points, and then an arbitrary score at the end, largely dependant on who actually wrote the review. It's almost farcical.
The problem here is that the rush to get a review out first leaves it incredibly weak, formulaic and void of details. And sure, I'll agree that Verge reviews leave a lot to be desired, but they at least get credit for attempting to weight each of their criteria.
118. Taters (Posts: 6298; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
LOL You are obviously just not informed enough. The GPU in the S800 is leagues better than the GPU in the S600. The S600 actually uses the exact same GPU in the Nexus 4 and LG Optimus G, which was never the top of the class.
The new GPU in the S800 crushes everything. And GPU performance plays a huge role in how smooth a UI is and how effortlessly a phone pushes pixels.
Oh and there has to be weights in this review. You do not need to assign exact numbers to these weights. You just know they are there because of the final score and what they say in the written portions. If the phone got a 9.4, then obviously not much weight was put into the cons.
Also, you people that complain about reviews should know by now that reviews ALWAYS have an arbitrary element. Even a technical site like Anandtech totally skew their tests to make Apple look better by concentrating on GPU tests and browser tests. A review is basically an opinion where they try and justify their opinion with facts.
So instead of complaining about reviews and how they are scored. Just read the review. If average call quality and build quality is so important to you, then knock off more than .6 from this review. Or became an editor and write your own reviews where call quality and build carries a lot of weight and give out 9.4's to the Moto X for call quality or the HTC One for build(although the HTC One is really poorly built with gaps everywhere, poor clearance, poor finish on the plastic trim/usb port, poor heat management, speaker hiss etc)
Basically, if this is anything like Optimus G, the build quality should be great where it counts and the call quality a non issue. Hence the 9.4.
123. jellmoo (Posts: 1104; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
Yes... *I* am obviously the one that is uninformed... Because software optimization and skin has nothing to do with lag and stutter on a device (*cough* GS4 before update...) But fine, continue on with how it takes an S800 to have a lag free experience.
Yes, it is always ideal not to be weights in a review and leave the audience guessing. It's great how there is no apparent standard for what is weighted and how. It's wonderful that a review of a hardware item is somehow subjective on the part of the reader.
Of course there is an element of opinion in a review. But there does need to be some element of fact and measurement. Phone quality is okay, the screen is pretty good, the camera is solid... These aren't measuring sticks. Go look at a review on items at GSMArena, where they add quantifiable measurements to each item. As though they were, shock of all shocks, actually tested. PA loves to get their reviews out first, which results in unfinished, untested opinion pieces based mostly on guesswork.
Yes. I should just be quiet about poor reviews. That's the answer. Shut up and accept substandard reviews. God forbid that I want the reviews to get better and become a quality standard. (and just to quickly touch your comments on the One: Seriously? Seriously??? I can't... I just... Wow...)
And it's nice to see that I somehow have higher standards to prove myself by. It's not like you offered your opinion or anything. Why on earth should you have to back that up at all. The onus is somehow on me despite the fact that you are shooting your mouth off as well... I wouldn't suggest joining a debate team anytime soon.
I'd like you to look up the definitions of a "feature" and a "gimmick". Yes there are software features. A messaging client, an address book, a camera app. These are features common to all smartphone. Extra software items unique to a phone and used as selling points are called gimmicks.
126. Taters (Posts: 6298; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Lol you don't have higher standards. Are you that dense? You are the one making the claim that phonearena does not put enough weight on call quality and build quality. If you make a claim you have to back it up, that is your job or you look stupid.
I didn't make any claim whatsoever so of course I don't have to back it up. The only thing I said was that the weighting is there which is a fact. It is a fact because there is a quantifiable score, 9.4, and it only got docked .6 because of the cons. Fact and logic.
You are the only one making be claims about 9.4 being too high. You really suck big time at debating if you do not see that the onus lies to the person making the argument to prove that he is right. Not to the person giving them possible and legitimate reasons that disproves your theory. You have to win and prove your theory is correct. I don't have to win or prove anything. I just have to provide doubt and tie or prevent a clean win. I am just questioning your claim not making my own. If you do not see the difference then you are hopeless.
Making up defintions now are we? Nowhere on the internet separates a notepad as a feature and quick note as a gimmick. Trying to even say as much makes you look pretty bad. Considering quick note is just a much better version of a note pad. Why is the note pad a feature and quick note a gimmick. Gimmick has a negative connotation and feature doesnt . If anything, it should be the other way around.
129. jellmoo (Posts: 1104; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
Wow. Ad hominems. Nice.
Let me spell it out as simple as I can:
1) I don't care about the score. At all. I don't care if it is the best phone in the history of ever, or the worst phone in all of creation. I care about the review. I care about their being details to back up claims, and that the final score have an actual weighted value of items thoroughly tested, rather than an arbitrary and meaningless number.
2) You made claims that Apple and HTC fanboys are the ones complaining about build quality, and you made claims that nobody cares about phone call quality. Those are *your* claims. I don't particularly care if you defend them or not, but I will call you out on those claims.
3) I'm not entirely sure you know what a debate is. I have my side, to which I present my evidence, opinion, and end goal. You have your evidence, opinion and end goal. You do not magically get a "pass" on these things.
4) Allow me to provide a definition for gimmick, as taken from dictionary.com: "an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, especially one designed to attract attention or increase appeal."
If you want to consider it as a negative connotation be my guest, but it is simply a word used to accurately describe particular items. It can be used with almost any smartphone.
Honestly, I am just going to stop here and do my best to avoid ad hominems of my own. You simply aren't understanding what I'm saying, and I'm running out of patience trying to explain it to you. Let's just agree to disagree and move on our respective merry ways.
113. Taters (Posts: 6298; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
And who assigned you as the judge of gimmicky features? I don't use 20% of the functions found on scientific, business, and graphic calculators but I am sure some math genius does them all or some. Just because I never use the camera or speaker phones on my phone it doesn't mean they are gimmicks.
115. jellmoo (Posts: 1104; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
And who assigned you as the judge of how important it is for a phone to be a phone or having a non chintzy build with high quality buttons?
There is a difference between a "feature" and a "gimmick". A feature would be an item common across multiple devices in a field. i.e. a camera or a speaker. Every smartphone has one. A gimmick is a unique selling point designed to attract attention and potential sales. Hence, these novel items (and some seem nice and useful) are gimmicks.
119. Taters (Posts: 6298; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
That doesn't apply to me because I wasn't the one complaining about the cons and the review. lol. I was simply stating that myself and the reviewer doesn't seem to be place huge importance on the cons. You are the one that is trying to argue that build and call quality should lower the score more than a 9.4. So you effectively assigned yourself as the judge of how much weight the cons should carry, not me. So the onus is on you to explain why you assigned yourself as the judge so trying to flip that question onto me is not only hilarious but pretty weak.
Again, you are championing your thought process as the one everyone should follow. Everyone defines a feature and a gimmick in different ways. The word feature can easily apply to both software and hardware and so can the word gimmick. Just look up the definitions. Saying that software is a gimmick is just that, your opinion, not everyone elses.
128. pooop (Posts: 7; Member since: 30 Aug 2013)
I'd like to throw myself into this debate, siding with jellmoo, however. Taters, I'd like to start off by saying: you're wrong. You don't seem to have developed the right skills needed to even be the one involved in this debate. Right off the bat of debate, you presented absolutely terrible points that show you don't actually use an Android device on a phone, or at least at all for the purposes of a phone.
Call and build quality are probably the most important sections in a review, and the weights for those two key components should be treated as such. We're dealing with a phone; it's something you hold and use to talk to people with, primarily, so if it's not comfortable in the hand (and I'm not saying it isn't; I haven't purchased the phone, though, when I get the cash, I intend to do so) and it can't serve the purpose of actually being used to call others, what's the point? I'll admit it: rarely do I ever actually use my phone for the ability to call. It's got decent call quality, at times failing to properly communicate what I've said to whomever's on the other end, while also often failing to send what I need to me unless on speaker. But out of it all, I'm fine knowing the build quality is top-notch and it's actually lovely to hold my device in my hand, and it will continue to be till I make my next device purchase--an LG G2, that is (or a Nexus 5, depends on which I prefer).
Putting proper weights on segments which should be key to the review score is, well, key. Apologies for repeating myself, but it's the truth. We need to understand why apparently poor build quality and decent call quality have only knocked off 0.6 points from the G2's score, and we also need to know a lot more that PA has advertently--purposely--left out till a versus video. A review is meant to be just that: a critical article or report, as in a periodical, on a book, play, recital, or the like; critique; evaluation -- that includes that of which surveys the objective (with some light subjectivity) quality, usefulness, and innovative ability of a new flagship device like this phone.
What's so good about the G2? Why only a 0.6 knock-off. Why is it considered better than both the S4 and One, both of which cater to somewhat different audiences? These questions and a ton of others, which I've managed to get answers to through other sites revolving around the Android- and phone-o-sphere, need answering, and they're welcome and truly do belong in the main review of the device. Rushing out the review just to be first, while also sacrificing provision of truly new content and answers to questions every person whose eye's been raised by the device? Not such a good idea. Might've just lost a sub and a viewer of the site. Might only be one person, but others will notice it, too, and PA has to realize they have to fix it.
And please, Taters, please stop using "onus." You seem to have seen jellmoo use it *once* and you've used it in just about every reply since.
89. krysis (Posts: 76; Member since: 14 Dec 2009)
the only cons are bulk and lame design. sounds like the perfect phone for a case. I'm just about sold on this thing.
93. barondebxl (Posts: 121; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)
I must say that im a little disappointed. Anyways, its Note 3 for me regardless!!
94. Adrian38 (Posts: 140; Member since: 05 Nov 2012)
Nice phone. I still dislike those back panel buttons. It just looks so ugly. Not a fan of the UI either. It resembles TouchWiz, which appears as if some 2 year old designed it. If the UI was a bit more elegant looking like Sony's UI, then I would be a bit more intrigued. The SD slot isn't too big of a deal for me on this one since it has 32GB of internal storage. But of course the SD slot is always nice :P
96. gigaraga (Posts: 1454; Member since: 29 Mar 2013)
Way better than any of Sony's offerings, but on par with the S4 (LOVE THEM BOTH~~)
98. yasir-921 (Posts: 81; Member since: 02 Oct 2012)
Ray S instead of posting a proper review just won the race of putting the 1st review of G2 yet!
99. TMach (Posts: 442; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)
Sorry, but I don't get how this phone scores 9.4.....plasticky build which squeaks, toy like volume rocker, average sound quality etc etc. Yes, the specs may be great but what happened to overall user experience? I have seen phones with great all round performance and build quality absolutely killed by PA reviewers and scored low, in the reviewer's opinion.
I was thinking about getting this as my new upgrade but I find that after reading the review, I am actually less inclined to! Seems more like an 8.0/8.5 at best and that is just for the specs/internals and gorgeous screen. In terms of build quality, surely that aspect is a big fail.
103. emadshiny (Posts: 1144; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
Im somehow in LOVE with this phone.
waiting for the price in my country...
104. Taters (Posts: 6298; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
People fail to realize that specs do contribute to overall user experience. If it didn't we would all just use Qualcomm s4 chips like windows phone does. I don't know about you but I doing want that and the last thing I need is OIS or boom sound.
Software innovations are much better to me. I personally want to see perfect mirroring between phone, tablet, TV, and laptop. If it is a Apple TV strength connection without having to buy a dongle or chromecast that would be perfect and I think doable. Just have to expand on group play and airdrop a lot more.
Another thing they should play with is making a bezeless phone where you can change the screen size from 5 inches to 3.5 inches depending on whether you are using one hand or two hands. The technology is there because the Sview and LG covers basically just use a smart cover to change a 5 inch screen into a usable 2 inch screen. They can just put it into the settings and appease both 5 inch display fans AND the people that prefer a smaller screen all in one shot.
Screw boom sound and 40 mp cameras. No mainstream people give a crap.
108. ajoshi06 (Posts: 20; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
more and more disappointed with cell phones not improving sound quality. Sometimes, if i need to make long business calls, i still end up looking for a huge old style box phones for better sound!!!
116. THE_RAY (Posts: 27; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
How does this phone get your highest rating yet not listed as #1 on your best smartphone list. What makes the S4 better eventhough it's rating in the review is less?
117. Jillxz (Posts: 148; Member since: 04 Jun 2012)
An LG brand phone is the best ones I have ever had.
120. techsavvy.jaz (Posts: 150; Member since: 07 Feb 2012)
If I had enough money and looking to buy a mobile in the next 2/3 months, my mind would explode with assessing options... Sony X Ultra, Z1/Honami, HTC One Max, LG G2... gives techgasm just thinking about it!
125. mike2959 (Posts: 462; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)
PA over all score is higher that the One or S4? Wow.
127. CtK4949 (Posts: 35; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Why in this review you said its call quality is "average at best" but then in the G2 vs S4 camparo. You said "Call quality is great on both the Samsung Galaxy S4 and the LG G2."
Which is it??
135. darrensiau (Posts: 1; Member since: 30 Jul 2013)
LG didn't update their Android version at all.....
136. Gatman (Posts: 18; Member since: 07 Sep 2013)
Right now this is the phone to beat unless another phone gets higher than 9.4 .
138. KillgoreTrout (Posts: 53; Member since: 04 Sep 2013)
(normal person who never does hate comments)
141. Michaelhall43 (Posts: 2; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)
Am I the only one that thinks thin bezels look terrible?
143. KashAli (Posts: 105; Member since: 01 Apr 2013)
It's got better score then Galaxy S4= 9.3 and this 9.4!
144. papss (unregistered)
Did anyone see the Verizon version? Buttons are smaller and the VZN logos are plastered on the front and back. They f'ed it up
148. jaredvillhelm2002 (Posts: 2; Member since: 14 Sep 2013)
VZW's G2 box certainly does NOT contain quadbeat head phones.
149. tehcaucasianasian (Posts: 11; Member since: 30 Aug 2013)
I'm pleasantly surprised at the lack of iPhone bias in this review. I myself currently have an Optimus G, and this review lacks a few things I am curious of;
-The Optimus G runs a little warm (a trend with LG, but they're getting better) so does the G2 light one's hand ablaze?
-Are the screen or casing smudgy? I don't like using bought cases, since they increase the size of the handset, so will this be an issue if I upgrade to the G2?
-Do the commercials about anti-shakiness in the camera live up to what they claim?
-The brightness of the Optimus G is actually a bit more than I expected (50% is too bright for me, i keep it at 20-40%) so is the G2 blinding or a bit more comfortable for sensitive eyes?
-Are the earbuds actually that bad? I don't mind inserting headphones into my ears, but would it bother even those who prefer in ear headphones over others?
It would be nice to see your opinion on some of these things, if not all. Thanks again for not kissing Apple's butt this time around, by the way
151. jaredvillhelm2002 (Posts: 2; Member since: 14 Sep 2013)
No they run very cool in your hand. Ironic that you ask this when I commented this to my gf today.
150. klagoosh (Posts: 1; Member since: 18 Sep 2013)
For now, I'm not seeing anything to make me want to upgrade from my GIII. Apart from the horrid otter box available for it, it's a great phone. I will keep watching and comparing on this site and BestRateDigital.com . Somebody will convince me, eventually! Maybe if it will serve me coffee on demand... lol
153. samsoiph (Posts: 6; Member since: 16 Oct 2013)
What a shockingly bad review. The LG has horrid build quality, poorly placed buttons. Same goddamn camera as every other phone which buy their exmor's from sony.
Copy cat Samsung UI. Poor speakers (xperia z has an excuse, since its waterproof).
Decent battery life granted, but not removable (HTC one has an excuse because of its immaculate build and sony does because its water proof), no micro SD.
It is just a mediocre phone with a decent screen and good chipset. Xperia Z1 and note 3 still get my vote over this...
154. tehcaucasianasian (Posts: 11; Member since: 30 Aug 2013)
I smell an Apple fanboy here. The G2 is probably not the best smartphone in the world, but it's pretty darn good. The build quality is perfectly fine, a plastic body doesn't mean the phone is garbage. The HTC Evo phones such as the 4G LTE were mainly plastic, but they were basically the biggest step for phones, still smooth and fast today. Plastic doesn't mean a phone is bad, that is your opinion. In terms of the camera, yes: a 13mp camera is common, but I can three flagship phones with different ones, like the HTC One and it's 4 megapixel camera. Not every phone is 13mp, and it also has OIS so pictures will always come out clear. The G2 actually has one of the better cameras on a smartphone today, so your claim of the "same" camera is actually wrong. For the UI, many things were borrowed from Samsung, but the features were edited and work better in a lot of cases, and LG's Optimus UI is basically the most customizable version of Android there is. It could actually be considered the best, and if it isn't the best its still pretty good. The G2's screen is actually one of the absolute beat screens on ANY smartphone, being a nice size and great quality. Full HD and over 400 pixels per inch. You just don't want to admit the screen is amazing. The battery can actually last multiple days of moderate to heavy usage, I wouldn't call that decent, when iPhones can't even last 12 hours. The lack of SD expansion is a disappointment, but to make the phone so thin and light yet still have a screen over five inches in size, certain things had to be sacrificed. Your comment about the G2 was horribly biased and untrue, just keep using your sub-par iDevices and quit trashing the better tech
155. DatabaseMX (Posts: 19; Member since: 27 May 2009)
"The LG G2 doesn't amaze with its sound quality during calls. Actually, it's about average at best"
Then it deserves a 1 star review. WTF ? Last I checked, the word 'phone' (implying phone calls) is still in the description ... ie smartPHONE.
And *please* ... in these reviews (and the spec sheet) - Please indicate if the battery is ... removable! Some of us actually care.
Removable: Yes (or No)
and so on .....
156. karimka (Posts: 1; Member since: 13 Jan 2014)
I bought this phone 1 month ago.
Dropped it once from 50 cm high.
LCD completly destroyed!!
I never had such issues with my previous mobile(samsung s4).
just for information, the lg g2 lcd is very weak...............
161. davidlima22 (Posts: 3; Member since: 17 Apr 2014)
I need your help people: How and where I can root my G2? I have the D806 version, thanks.