Jolla Smartphone Review
0. phoneArena 14 Feb 2014, 07:00 posted on
What's unique about the Jolla smartphone is that it is powered by Sailfish OS – a new platform based on the now-forgotten MeeGo operating system. The software is capable of running Android apps and it its user interface relies heavily on gesture-based user interaction...
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18. sbw44 (Posts: 398; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
Wow wonder why you don't say Samsungs eye tracking is a complete gimmick or how every other OS also has bugs! This just confirms PA is run by a bunch of Samsung/Android fanboys!
23. mobi_user (Posts: 110; Member since: 18 Jun 2013)
It is very certain that PA doesn't get anything paid for this review. Otherwise even the nonsense phones have got a rating of 7+. Come on PA, be honest to the industry. Even the initial version of WP got much more than this, which were nothing by s***.
26. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3418; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
'The phone is too expensive for what it delivers'. well that should apply for all iphone reviews.
30. ihavenoname (Posts: 1442; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)
iPhones are quite expensive, but they actually are really good devices. 5S is one of the fastest flagship phone on market, camera is awesome, it's well made, great app store, vivid, bright and crisp display, the list goes on and on. Jolla is not good device, and it's really expensive.
27. Planterz (Posts: 897; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
If there were nothing to compare this phone against, perhaps it would have rated higher, but in comparison to others, the score of 2.0 is probably justified. There seems to be zero reason to buy this phone instead of others except to try a different OS. And even then, the price should be way, way less.
And for all you fanboys accusing PA of being fanboys, EVERY major manufacturer has a currently available phone that has scored 9 or higher. HTC One, Motorola, Samsung, LG, Apple, Nokia (OK, everybody but BlackBerry).
31. Diego! (Posts: 507; Member since: 15 Jun 2009)
Oh Gosh... this was slashed! Wasn't this phone outselling Nokia Lumias and iPhones in Finland? Is that accurate? I think I remember reading that here in PA.
77. corporateJP (Posts: 1570; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
I think you're thinking of the Nokia N9 a few years ago, which ran an infant version of what OS this phone runs.
Regardless, the review is harsh by any standard.
123. microsoftnokiawin (Posts: 968; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
yes on the carrier DNA for christmas it was the 3rd most sold phone more then iphone and lumias !
32. darkvadervip (Posts: 333; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
This is not better than wp8! I hate when people hate on an os they never sat down and used.
33. tasior (Posts: 220; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
"In other words, we're dealing with an underdog mobile operating system built upon a product that flopped."
It didn't flop. It was put down by Elop, before any product was released. Get Your facts straight!
"We've been using the Jolla smartphone for several days now, and as much as we're trying to force ourselves to like its gesture-based navigation, we're still finding it a tad frustrating."
Seriously? Gestures are one of the most stand out features, of this OS, and You give it around 5 sentences? And all you say is that You generally don't like it, because it's too different from other systems. That seems extremely unfair.
36. Bernoulli (Posts: 1451; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Dude this is i phonearena.com chill, btw the whole "android support isn't reliable " and "the other half is a gimmick " yet they give iphones 9+ reviews, even though they have no support for android, no sd card, more expensive for what it does etc, makes me mad bro
47. Planterz (Posts: 897; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
iPhones are indeed expensive, but at least they do what they're supposed to do. And they don't need Android support because they have a huge (bigger) ecosystem of their own.
If Saifish is going to vaunt that they also support Android, then it should do just that, fully, and without glitches or crashes.
57. tasior (Posts: 220; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
Give it some time... It's a new player. Every new player has its glitches and crashes. What should be mentioned though, is new approach, and interesting ideas it presents. This review, says hardly anything, about many small but significant innovations this product has.
78. corporateJP (Posts: 1570; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
""In other words, we're dealing with an underdog mobile operating system built upon a product that flopped."
It didn't flop. It was put down by Elop, before any product was released. Get Your facts straight!"
^Exactly what I've been saying.
People fail to realize that the N9 outsold many other devices, including other Nokia phones running Windows OS, in all the markets it was released in (which, on purpose, were not many). Once Elop caught wind of this, there was a "supply shortage". Go figure. Dude was a Trojan horse (too kind...more of a disgusting mole).
History cannot be rewritten, the facts present themselves, no matter how this site tries to put their spin on it.
84. tasior (Posts: 220; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
Used N9 still costs arount 200$ in my country. If You manage to find new it will cost around 350$. It was one of Nokias greatest creations.
I once listened pre-Elop ceo plans. It was one of the wisest nad most inspiring mobile phones statements, I've ever heard. He said something like this (around 2010): As a mobile phone makers, the whole industry harms society. Operating smartphones require to much attention from user. They steal users attention from surounding world. Peoples interests drops, as they focus on a tiny screen. The MeeGo mission was to bring peoples focus back to life. Its mission was to allow people do desired actions with one hand and barely looking on the screen.
I agree with it, and Sailfish tries to continue this mission. I believe this is something people need (although they may not realize it yet).
35. Bernoulli (Posts: 1451; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Wow I love how "android support isn't reliable " and "the other half is a gimmick " but when Samsung released the galaxy s3 the sbeam wasn't considered a gimmick, wow pa, if this is the case how come iphone 5s got such a high review? Please, enlighten me
59. Planterz (Posts: 897; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
WTF does any of that have to do with the iPhone 5s? I'm not a iFan either, but I fail to see your "logic".
38. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2044; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
Brutal/Harsh is an understatement for what this review is. Would've expected atleast a 7.
40. ryan5609 (Posts: 99; Member since: 01 Nov 2011)
The review and low score is justified by the price alone. Look at the comps. For $550 you can probably get new or slightly used a LG G2, Nexus 5, Moto X, Galaxy S4, any Windows phone, you could probably even find a iPhone 5 for that price. Or you could get 5 Moto G's, etc... All of which you will receive better specs, performance, battery life, photo/video quality across the board. If you feel like paying a very large premium for Sailfish OS then be my guest.
54. tasior (Posts: 220; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
No one is arguing, that the score shouldn't have been lower than score of "LG G2, Nexus 5, Moto X, Galaxy S4". They are clearly all with better hardware, and more mature software, than Jolla. But 2 in readers mind means total crap, and that opinion is unjustified.
80. ryan5609 (Posts: 99; Member since: 01 Nov 2011)
Ok. Then do this for me. I am new to the smartphone market. Never had one before, I don't know any thing about Android, iOS or Windows phone, so Sailfish and Jolla are new to me as well. I have $550 to buy a phone, sell me this phone.
87. tasior (Posts: 220; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
It's not a phone for everybody. Nevertheless, if You want to have considerably large screen, but You need to operate it with one hand without stretching Your thumb, this phone will deliver greatest user experience for You. If You're tired of hitting buttons for everything, try swiping. If You want a truly standout phone, this is it. At last if You're computer scientist or Linux fan, and like freedom, that linux gives You, this is the purest linux You can get on a phone.
I'm not a salesman. I did the best I could :).
94. ryan5609 (Posts: 99; Member since: 01 Nov 2011)
Jolla Target demographic:
One armed men/women with small hands, People who think using buttons (physical or onscreen) is mundane, Computer scientists, Linux fans.
My suggestion. Geeky people looking for a pure Linux phone should probably try Ubuntu for Android, after all, it is free.
Save yourself $200, buy a Nexus 5, dual boot Android and Ubuntu touch.
103. tasior (Posts: 220; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
Small handed people are quite a large market. One armed, small handed is almost non-existent, but small handed, that does things while operating phone seems to be quite sygnificant amount. Before smartfone era, people used one hand to operate phone. I thing many small handed friends, would love to be able to do that again.
There is a big chance, that once someone gets used to swipes, they may be much more convenient than buttons. You don't have to focus as much on a screen wich is a good thing.
I wouldn't underestimate linux fans. Look at the world around you. Internet, Google, Cloud storage, Cloud computing, Facebook, Ethernet in every company. Who do You think manages all this? Linux fans.
Don't scratch this product off the market yet. 2/10 is one sided and unfair grade.Tthe phone has definitely its drawbacks, and is unable to compete with todays flagships, but it has its advantages, that this review fails to mention.
88. jellmoo (Posts: 690; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
That's not the target market though. This is a very niche device made by a small group that just don't have the resources to compete with companies like Samsung or Apple. It has incredibly limited carrier support, and none of the supply lines that keep costs down.
This isn't a device that will appeal to new consumers. This is a device targeted at people who loved old school Nokia products, and the N9 in particular. Nobody in their right mind considers this a competitive product to other devices in that price range. This is closer to a proof of concept and a building block to hopefully something bigger and better.
It isn't a mass consumer product and trying to grade it like one without proper context is ridiculous.
82. ryan5609 (Posts: 99; Member since: 01 Nov 2011)
It's like paying $400 for a PS4, but instead of the PS4 you get an Ouya.
53. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3418; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Still this sailfish OS seems more functional than ios and wp. Atleast by the looks of it and what i've read about it.
56. Vanster (Posts: 124; Member since: 15 Jan 2014)
maybe PA click the wrong score, just like typo with autotext
60. nexusdude (Posts: 151; Member since: 22 Aug 2013)
This phone is not made for simpletons like you, Nick T.
62. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2044; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
This review is probably the most controversial one in the history of PA.
66. Ikechukwu (Posts: 143; Member since: 03 Oct 2011)
2? A 2???? you've got to be kidding me. That's it for me and PA reviews
68. bigv6691 (Posts: 10; Member since: 08 Jan 2014)
You people defending this thing like it's the next big thing. The hardware sucks, the Os isn't mature, if it was cheaper it might have gotten a higher score. But you can get phones way better than this for the same price. So I think the score is justified.
79. tasior (Posts: 220; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
Lower score, than those 'way better phones' is justified. But not 2. The OS runs snappy on this device - it's mentioned in a review. There are some problems, but the review doesn't show the whole picture.
It has very comfortable one hand operational UI. This alone is a differentiation factor, that to some makes it a very tempting product. The review omits that fact entirely.
It's unfair. If we aproach to something new, with presumption, that IOS, and Android deliver best approach to everything, and nothing better can be done, we think inside the box. Reviewing entirely new product demands thinking outside the box. Nick stated, that this product demands too much learning, and that was all... This isn't a product for people who are unable to learn, therefore it shouldn't be revised by them...
83. ryan5609 (Posts: 99; Member since: 01 Nov 2011)
If the price for the Jolla was around the $100-200 mark, I could see this getting a much better score. But with smartphones you usually get what you pay for (Moto G being the exception), that is not the case with the Jolla. I know it must be extremely difficult to compete with the like of LG, Moto, Samsung, etc. But that is the competition none the less, they can afford to manufacture phones with low profit margins. Only the very adventurous will purchase this phone.
69. Planterz (Posts: 897; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
To everybody complaining about the low rating:
Do you own this phone?
Have you even touched this phone?
Have you used one for a week or more?
Do you have any reason to claim this phone isn't a piece of crap?
Do you think this phone is worth the money?
Do you think it's a better phone than others in its price range?
No doubt PA's low score of this phone isn't merely a combination of crappiness and lack of value, but also a result of frustration, annoyance, and disgust with using it for several days.
Yes, Sailfish is in its early, fledging stages. But that doesn't excuse it from being an overpriced, buggy hunk of crap.
74. jellmoo (Posts: 690; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
"Have you used one for a week or more?"
Nope. And given the quality of this review, I highly doubt PA did either.
76. jroc74 (Posts: 4947; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
The way some ppl are taking this....you would think they had a hand in developing it.
I agree....even then....if I based my buying decision only on reviews...I wouldnt have gotten the Droid X. It got bashed more than it got praised. Even had some pro reviewers bringing up locked bootloaders as a negative.....something the general public knows are even cares about.
86. g2a5b0e (Posts: 2367; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
Not a good thing when one of your pros is "usable daytime photos". That should always be expected.
93. sbw44 (Posts: 398; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
I can't wait for crapsungs tizen OS to come out based on this review it should get 1/10 or wait it will probably get 8+ because its made by crapsung!
96. g2a5b0e (Posts: 2367; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
Wow. You are super clever. Where do you come up with such massive amounts of creativity?!
117. Bernoulli (Posts: 1451; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
it's okay man let the guy be, he's mesmerized by Sammy's gimmicks
119. g2a5b0e (Posts: 2367; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
The truth that you're an immature fanboy that can't refer to a company without sounding like a 12-year-old? Nope. I see it quite clearly.
116. Bernoulli (Posts: 1451; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
he has a valid point, pricewise for what it does the galaxy note 3 is a ripoff, nonetheless it's full of gimmicks yet they don't call those gimmicks but call the other half a gimmick.
120. g2a5b0e (Posts: 2367; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
The Galaxy Note 3 sells extremely well, so just because you think it's ripoff, doesn't mean that's the case for most people. The second half of your post on the other hand, makes no sense to me.
97. tumchaaditya (Posts: 71; Member since: 21 May 2012)
Really! I feel that the phone deserves better grade.
I agree it's a half baked over-priced phone with specs not even close to current flagships, but you one really needs to look at the creativity aspects as well..
98. Glim12808 (Posts: 393; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
For the sake of those former Nokia employees, I wanted to be positive about Jolla.
I have not tried the phone in actuality but have only seen pictures of the OS from different sources, but it really looks ugly!
I'm a fan of WP8 and I should like Jolla's tile-like design but unlike WP's simple and polished look, this one really looks awful.
I was hoping to buy one but I guess not gonna happen.
124. microsoftnokiawin (Posts: 968; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
dude are you serious
1. for an Os that's being developed by a team of highly professional well equipped well supplied team what is wp ? huh all i see are life tiles on the top and crap all on the bottom there's nothing below them tiles and Microsoft plays around saying oh look 2 different sizes now wow !
2. sailfish is elegant and simple from what i've experienced on my n9 !
102. tenzin (Posts: 89; Member since: 20 Dec 2013)
Gesture os as BlackBerry, jolla a ubuntu are future. If someone ones try one them never comes back to android or iphone
106. TimePass (Posts: 20; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Can't resist from commenting. Just registered.
Worst review of all time PA
107. rahool360 (Posts: 14; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)
i got a say this, tis is a real poor review...even an avg joe like me find lot of interesting use to the other half in Jolla phone...i think the reviewer dont understand the concept didnt do any research abt it..gestures are difficult and take time to learn??? are you seriously a reviewer or even a tech enthusiast? the most fun thing abt a new OS is learning... this is a thrash review and they have to do someone interested in reviewing new phones...plz stick this guy ith phones he like the android ones like s4...he probably loves it and is not looking to see beyond that.
112. SIGPRO (Posts: 467; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)
I have the Jolla, the specs are not so good but this is the first Jolla phone give them a break.
The battery life was poor when i first got it, it was drained in 1 day in standby mode, this because of an NFC bug.
With the latetst update the battery life improved, my Jolla is in standby for 8 days now and still the battery is at 54%.....so battery life is improved.
Meego is one of the best OS's in my opinion. And Sailfish is also good and simpel. Jolla should release a highend phone, they should have done it in the first place.
113. RandomUsername (Posts: 488; Member since: 29 Oct 2013)
WHY??? You reviewers are just spoiled by high-end phones from major manufacturers. Give the small companies a chance!
118. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3418; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
To #98 Lol dude 'sailfish os is ugly wp8 is polished' what a joke atleast its possible to set wallpapers in sailfish. Tbh wp is okay for first 15 min hands on but beyond that you get offended by those bright cartoonish colors and childish ux.
126. ianneo (Posts: 16; Member since: 15 Dec 2013)
This is a really horrible review. Seriously, Phonearena, STOP DOING BIASED REVIEWS. Just review what the device can do! This is appalling! All you do is comment "HOW LOVELY IS SAMSUNG AND WANT ITS BABIES". You never rate an underdog really highly! All the high end Samsung phones get 9+ ratings and yet, this unique phone with its pleasant UI and not that many bugs gets a 2?! This is ridiculous. I'm gonna stop watching Phonearena videos if your bias keeps going.