Google Nexus 10 vs Microsoft Surface RT
0. phoneArena 10 Dec 2012, 06:42 posted on
Attempting feverishly to make a splash in the tablet market, the Microsoft Surface RT is the poster child for Microsoft’s new tablet platform in Windows RT. No doubt there’s an uphill battle ahead of its path already, seeing that it’s a new platform and all, but more importantly, it begs the question on how well it can compete with that other poster child taking space over in Android land – the Google Nexus 10...
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14. MeoCao (unregistered)
Can there be any competition here? N10 steamrolls Surface in everything.
25. SleepingOz (unregistered)
Actually, no surprise here..
2. Mghazisohail (Posts: 23; Member since: 29 Nov 2012)
nexus 10 best for software and surface for it's hardware but i am nexus 10's side
5. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1495; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
I wonder why you say that the surface for hardware. Unless you are talking about the chassis, as all the internals are much better in the Nexus 10.
15. MeoCao (unregistered)
Surface chassis is better if you use it as desktop only. N10 is way more comfortable to hold imo.
6. OHaZZaR (Posts: 131; Member since: 19 Aug 2011)
The nexus 10 actually has better internal components. It lags less than the Surface while pushing millions of pixels more. The surface lags substantially more than the Surface.
16. MeoCao (unregistered)
I guess you read the reports from WP Central? There's no lag at all unless you use Chrome which is software problem and will be fixed. Other than that there's no lag.
31. OHaZZaR (Posts: 131; Member since: 19 Aug 2011)
If you're talking about the nexus 10, then you're right, it stutters at times, but those times are very few and far in between (meaning almost never). Lag was inaccurate of me so I apologise. If you're talking about the Surface then it's actually quite laggy according to CNET, TheVerge and even HP. I'd even think so since windows RT looks very CPU intensive and Tegra 3 might not be the best processor to work with. It could be that RT isn't optimised for that processor but I doubt it's even remotely as slick as the Google Nexus 10. Heck I'll bet it's laggier than my Note when it ran gingerbread (my Note now has jellybean, and it's definitely smoother)
39. shayan (Posts: 159; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
actually, I think nexus 10 is a more powerful device too. every article I read so far, indicates that a dual core A15 is almost twice as powerful as previous generation on the same clock speed.
considering that this exynos is 1.7 gh, and the tegra is 1.3 gh, I think Nexus 10 have the upper hand.
3. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
lmfao... I'm not even going to bother arguing about why the Surface tablet is a better choice for most consumers. pathetic
9. Plexicle (Posts: 15; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
What's actually "pathetic" here is your silly (might I add, quite inaccurate) comment. You say you won't "even bother to argue?" That's because there is no argument. The Nexus 10 is the "better choice" for most consumers just by going on platform maturity alone.
It really sounds like are just upset about your Surface and desperately trying to rationalize having a tablet that gets trumped by a less-expensive one. Good luck with that one.
30. OHaZZaR (Posts: 131; Member since: 19 Aug 2011)
And here I thought the comments section was gonna be completely full with rational people. Then I remembered, this is the internet.
20. Tones (Posts: 55; Member since: 23 Aug 2012)
Sounds like you dont have an argument to make
52. severian37 (Posts: 7; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)
As a Nexus 7 owner, I can honestly say that this Nexus is a great tablet. Having said that, I've read reviews of the Surface RT, and I'd love to have one at the office for Sys Admin stuff.
The Surface is far more easily connectable to home and office Windows shares, workroups, and printers than any Android or IOS device, something this comparison completely dropped the ball on.
4. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1495; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
"it’s the Surface RT that’s sporting the more favorable hardware"???? Seriously???
Get you facts stragth please! The Exynos is not "only" clocked higher at 1.7 MHz, it also has two cortex A15 cores over the A9 on the Tegra 3. That's not to mention the GPUs.
In the most reliable benchmarks:
Nexus 10 geekbench (CPU): 2400 (and over)
Tegra 3 (T30L, the weaker model, which you found in the Surface) geekbench (CPU): 1400
Nexus 10 glbenchmark (onscreen): 3027 frames
Tegra 3 with similar resolution as surface glbenchmark onscreen: 1623 frames.
The Exynos 5 destroys the Tegra in every aspect!
7. Plexicle (Posts: 15; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
I was kind of wondering about that comment as well? That Exynos is much, much faster than the Tegra 3, both on paper and in real-life. I wonder why the author said that? Was it because he assumed that quad-core automatically made it better? The cores have really nothing to do with it. Confusing.
13. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1495; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Saddly that's what he must have been thinking, that a quad core beats any dual core, regardless of the real performance. It's a joke...
54. ajac09 (Posts: 1480; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
its phonearena. They dont like putting androids above anything
29. OHaZZaR (Posts: 131; Member since: 19 Aug 2011)
Exactly, I read that and quickly checked GLBbenchmarks and it's second only to the iPad, which got me confused. People should understand that dual-core doesn't necessarily trump quad-core, A15 easily crushes A9 and the Nexus 10 is proof, I mean what other processor+GPU could push that many pixels without lagging (save for the iPad). The surface certainly can't, it can't even push it's own million pixels without lagging from time to time.
8. ajac09 (Posts: 1480; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
nexus 10 murders the surface RT. Tegra 3 is an amazing processor but that was in 2011. Its 2012 now almost 2013 the tegra 3 ruled 2011-early 20-12 and now its showing its age ( even though it still is amazing) and its fast becoming a processor for (budget) tablets which is a good thing because that means tablets till have awesome performance at cheap levels. Now tegra 4 coming in 2014 will be amazing.
10. gaurang (Posts: 94; Member since: 16 Nov 2012)
surface rt is for casual users...wait for the pro....its gonna blow ur nexus out of this world....
18. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
True, what difference will the pro make! Another both fail....™®©
23. ajac09 (Posts: 1480; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
windows 8 on pc is amazing on phone.. well.. and the RT is a failure the pro will be a failure as well. Hopefully they change marketing and market the pro as a tablet/laptop hybrid and see if they can make money then.
37. -box- (Posts: 3990; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Um, they have been, and its been very highly regarded on touchscreen devices to users who pull their head out of their rear and try it for a few days. My favorite of which is the Asus TaiChi, followed by the Dell convertible tablet, Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga, and a number of AIO desktops. The main ones running RT are the VivoTab, ATIV SmartTab, and Surface RT
56. Just_a_boy (Posts: 183; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
the surface pro is a desktop in a tablet shape, core i5 X86 archtecture, Nvidia Graphics, comparing to an ARM-based tablet N10 is a piece of cr@p, your hate for everything that is not made by Google is making you get blind.
24. tedkord (Posts: 8980; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Unfortunately, MS has already admitted the pro battery will last about half as long as the RT. Power users will need to stay near an outlet.
11. OHaZZaR (Posts: 131; Member since: 19 Aug 2011)
In all honesty, the Surface RT would've been a great tablet if it were released to compete with Honeycomb and the iPad 2 a few years ago. It's way too late and everyone else (except for apple) improved their OSes and optimized it for tablets. Can't say the same for the Surface Pro, that's a beast of a tablet.
19. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Yeah but the surface pro won't compete with true, ARM running tablets.
Keep in mind that It is double the price, and double the bulk and weight ..it's a product of the upcoming hybrid category
26. OHaZZaR (Posts: 131; Member since: 19 Aug 2011)
True, at that price it's competing with ultra books and the Macbook Air. I fins it a tough sell against the likes of the Lenovo thinkpad and a bunch of other laptops that will have something more innovative than the surface pro. I bet ASUS will come up with something extraordinary.
38. -box- (Posts: 3990; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Like the TaiChi, which is $1500, versus the Surface Pro's $900? Seems like a great value to me.
Do you Android fans even research before you post? Sniggly and remix excepted, of course.
17. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
To say Microsoft got owned by Google would be an understatement.
21. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
"Tell us Android horror stories "
Hey Microsoft, I just saw Android slaughtering your best effort. Does that qualify?
22. Shubham412302 (Posts: 419; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
surface should be priced less
depending upon your need you can choose between nexus and surface
surface for office work and nexus for entertainment and gaming
well but surface pro is better as it comes with i5 and may be intel hd 4000 which can easily play all pc games by connecting keyboards mouse and joy pad
well intel4000 is AS good as gtx 630
28. OHaZZaR (Posts: 131; Member since: 19 Aug 2011)
I'm sorry, I have an intel HD4000 laptop and it's quite a bit weaker than that. My laptop runs mine craft at the highest settings at approximately 40fps which is decent but compared to my enthusiast level PC that never drops below 60fps, it just pales in comparison. Also my enthusiast level PC plays far cry 3 at 24fps at medium settings. My laptop runs it at 20 on the lowest settings and at very low resolutions. I'm not saying it's bad, it plays many games released before 2012 at around 30fps, but saying it plays all games easily like skyrim or Crysis 2, that's a bit of a stretch. The laptop I have has the exact same specs as the Surface Pro, 4GB RAM, 1.8GHz i5 dual core processor, IntelHD4000. MacBook Air running Parallels.
27. Styxster (Posts: 1; Member since: 10 Dec 2012)
The article says they both have "common connectivity features like aGPS". This is not correct. The Surface does NOT have any GPS, it does have some sort of location based service that only works when you are in cell tower and/or wifi range. The Nexus 10 has a real GPS chip. No GPS = no deal. I think MS really dropped the ball with this one; unless you are dedicated to MS for some reason there really is no comparison. Now if only I could actually get a Nexus......
32. gazmatic (Posts: 788; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
the only thing i like about the nexus 10 is the price... everything else is meh... microsoft should have priced it to compete with android and not apple... apple have a bunch of supporters that will camp out for days just to buy an apple branded product... android users prefer value and specs...
if the surface was $200 cheaper then this wouldn't be a competition... it is just too expensive to be a formidable android competitor... it kills ipad in functionality and features but you just cant beat apple's following... at least not now anyway...
make your products cheaper and no one except the most die hard android fan will buy google products...
33. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5704; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
from a design and constructional stand point it's not hard to beat Samsung but the Surface is truly exceptional in this department. the only thing is the Surface is just real awkward to use like a Tablet because of it's size and i already have reservations about using larger 10" Tablets, i'd prefer something around the 8.5" range, to me the Surface is a Tablet with dreams of being a Laptop so i'll give Google and Samsung kudos for making something that's ergonomic and easy to hold on to. now in terms of power the Nexus 10 does actually pull ahead on paper and in real life performance. there's performance issues with both the Nexus 4 and the Nexus 10 and they're both running different but very powerful SoC's so i'm inclined to believe that it's something with Android 4.2 that causes any laggy behavior.
34. mike2959 (Posts: 497; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)
I have the nexus 10. It does have significant lag. Not just in Chrome either. It's surprising... Project Butter and all.
35. MC1123 (Posts: 1254; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
i really wish that john v will make all the review and video review!!! its fun and with real review and comparison!!!
thew reviewers that i like--john V or phonearenena and lisa of mobiletechreview!
40. sportsinger75 (Posts: 71; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
I've got the Nexus 10 and I love it, though I'm still getting used to the 10 inch form factor. A bit large for my tastes but I like the display so ill deal with it lol
41. Shino (banned) (Posts: 196; Member since: 23 Jul 2012)
PA, you shat in your pants again! This you did twice already today and thus beating your own record! What a morone you must be to call a tablet with a semi-functional OS like the Nexus better than the almost desktop experience and full functionality of Windows Surface?!? You must be really, really high today. I did not know that you can install Microsoft Office, Autocad and about a gazillion other programs on Android, did you? How stupid it sounds "Not only are you going to save a cool $100 in the process, but we’re certain you’ll appreciate the experience more as well." - WTF?! You think that saving a hudred bucks makes the diference? These extra money are for the OS. If you hired educated people, or at least over 18, you would know that when you buy an OS free notebook it is about $100 cheaper, just because it comes with no OS installed. Once again you prove to to be just a mere site for phones, nothing else.
42. gazmatic (Posts: 788; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
surface wins on everything except price...
people need to understand that outside of america and the play store there are no subsidies...
we get the products at full price...plus tax... plus VAT...plus customs
one can pay well over $1000 for a $600 product
surface wins... there is no bang for your buck outside of america and the play store
44. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3101; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
wins on everything? Camera? Display? Functionality of 4.2 Stock Android vs growing pains WIndows RT?
43. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3101; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Google and Samsung have really done an amazing job with the Nexus 10, all in all it is an amazing device and well worth the price. It's no shocker that the Nexus 10 won, I really think it's the tablet to beat and let's hope it gets real competition in 2013.
45. delian.kirov (Posts: 1; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)
Honestly i like the surface. Yes it does not have the full hd and yes the cpu is not the most powerful one and there aren't a lot of apps(well not now), but it has an usb port, offece 13(free) and ist`s rellyintegrated whit xbox it`s whit microsoft so developers will develop for them .Plus the full hd od the nexsus is a blessing and a curse(is ha 300ppi but how much of the apps are optimised for the full hd) and the color gama is bether on the surface so iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
46. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1446; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
this is Microsoft first tablet and Microsoft will support it for 4 years. so it's software will improve over the years. it also will get plenty of Apps over the years to come Rumor has it that next years Surface Rt will be an 8.9 inch screen device and hopefully will be cheaper. I hope it has a higher screen resolution and keep it built in kickstand. The Microsoft "Surface pro is a PC that is shaped like a tablet and can run thousands upon .thousands of PC desktop/Laptop business Programs, Educational Programs, PC games. Enterprise Server programs, and specialty programs businesses had made for their operations it is more powerful than a Nexas 10 and the Ipad to the Enterprise as is all Windows 8 tablets are. HP, Dell, Samsung and Lenovo already have cheaper windows 8 tablets on the market than a "Microsoft "Surface Pro" if it going to be priced at 900+ dollars. Microsoft has no choice but to remain in the tablet market because it's bread and butter is the Big Business Enterprise. I think Microsoft's OEM partners will sell more Windows 8 Tablets than Microsoft to the Enterprise than Microsoft will if Microsoft does not sell it's surface pro at a lower price than 900+ dollars.
47. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1446; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
Folks the Windows 8 "MODERN U" start screen is no longer a problem' there are free software programs on the intermit that put the start button back on the desktop and also will take the Windows 8 OS user right to the desktop. Benchmark tests have shown that Windows 8 is better than Windows 7. the major problem it has is a lot of people do not want to use the New "modern UI tile screen" I wish that Microsoft itself makes an app to return the start button for those who want it back to end this controversy over an Operating system that is already better than Windows 7
48. TyM99 (Posts: 3; Member since: 31 Dec 2012)
The surface is really wide. The nexus is way more evened out. The surface looks really weird and feels weird like that.
49. sats.mine2k4 (banned) (Posts: 208; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
Why are you even comparing a "Confused product"(thank you tim cook!!!) to one of the best tablets around... Nexus 10 is on par or even better than the ipad 4....
50. Frankxr (Posts: 2; Member since: 05 Jan 2013)
Foolish and bias article. There is a little piece of software intefrated into Surface RT call Office. Its free. Thats over $200 of value. The combination of Office with a supperior OS and fantastic design make Surface RT a much better value. android may have been around awhile, there are more versions of it than you cna count and the apps are hardly stable or secure across all those different versions.
Anyone in the industry can see this article for what it is and thats a puff piece for Android. Personally I would never trus a comapny whose entire business model is based on how much dataon me they can capture ,archive, and use to sell me advertising. Nor would I ever use a platform that is as insecure and full of holes.
Office + security + a great UI that allows me to organize my life much better and get information quicker. get real and stop ignoring the fact that Office is bundled into Windows RT
51. Frankxr (Posts: 2; Member since: 05 Jan 2013)
Oh yea and Microsoft has 30 years of building robust OS and developer ecosystem experience. When Microsoft started sellOS Any Rubin was probably in junior high school and had not even thought up Sidekick. GEt real - when it comes to building mass market OS no one has no equal to Microsoft.
53. ichiranjeeb (Posts: 15; Member since: 12 Jan 2013)
I will choose Surface over N10 any day.
1. A great Design
2. Touch cover & Kick Stand is awesome
3. Full Office Integration
4. PORTS: FULL SIZE USB port, microSD card slot, and HD video out port.
5. Great Multitasking (Snap Window feature)
6. Better file EXPLORER than N7.
7. TRUE Xbox live integration
8. Device compatibility. supports much more I/O devices than N7.
Do u want More.... ;)