iPhones score highest touch responsiveness, more than twice as responsive as Android and Windows Phone devices
0. phoneArena 01 Oct 2013, 05:00 posted on
Have you ever thought just how responsive to touch your device really is? This is after all a key factor in determining how fast it feels, and now researchers from Agawi came up with a benchmark test that measures response times down to the millisecond…
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102. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
You really don't know Sniggly like I know Sniggly.
That guy (along with some other people) was so anti- Apple that it wasn't funny. I joined phonearena.com SOLELY because of the FACTUAL errors Sniggly et al was making at the time. The guy had no clue about business, operations, marketing, etc. at an "executive level." Didn't understand basic Econ 101 regarding marginal cost, cost structure, etc. To be fair, just about every android-lover, Apple hater didn't understand either. I remember when Moto released the Xoom, and I stated it was DOA (and I was correct) and Sniggly forced me to work backwards from BOM to consumer MSRP and I nailed the (then unannounced) MSRP within $20 usually what I knew about supply-chain, distribution costs, mark-up's, etc.
Back then, Sniggly was upset how Apple was hurting him (financially). You read these endless rants by Sniggly how Apple was the new evil empire. You read all these sad sob stories how Apple single him out (the truth was Apple didn't know and didn't care about him).
Sniggly reformed a bit and has toned down spreading factually incorrect information on Apple. Some of us have long memories. Part of my longevity on PA was that I was good at discrediting the Apple-haters that were clearly making stuff up as in lynching Apple or going on a witch-hunt. Some of the stuff these people made up was just ridiculous.
109. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
You joined Phonearena just to argue with me? I'm honestly flattered.
I was a lot more rabid, I'll agree. I've since calmed down about ripping on Apple. I'm happy that you recognize that fact.
And yeah, I guess the Xoom was DOA. Kinda sucks, because it was a good first gen tablet.
You're a smart guy, Ardent. Biased as all hell (the mere fact that you defend Mxy, who often throws out falsehoods and outdated info like they're relevant fact, speaks volumes) but I respect your knowledge base.
119. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Sniggly, you always had this reading comprehension problem. I wrote Sniggly et al. I know what I wrote.
Second, you like to give people crap for no reason. For example, I stated Huawei and ZTE would be formidable android OEM and you were like laughing because the only the Huawei or ZTE handsets you had dealt with were simply p.o.s -- you wouldn't look into the future and see how these companies would change.
The point about Mxy -- the guy is harmless. The problem is his comments are so vague, you can't debate it. I'll give an example of vagueness: Honda promises to save you gas with its new cars. Car owners sue because these cars didn't offer the EPA mpgs and they had relied on Honda's claim to make purchase. The judge threw out the claim because Honda's claim was vague -- yes their cars saved the driver gas, but it NEVER SPECIFICALLY stated how much gas it would save.
In contrast, when Apple-bashers stated the iPhone copied LG Prada, that IS NOT a vague comment, and thus I can challenge it (however, saying Apple copied would be a vague comment). The Apple-bashers made specific claims that I could fact-check. That is the difference, and thus have nothing to do with bias.
Lesson of the day "et al" is Latin for "and others", it is short form of et alia. You were one of more vocal Apple haters, but there were others.
Btw, I am loving my iPhone 5S.
122. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
And Ardent, you've always taken everything way too seriously. I caught the actual meaning of what you said, but deliberately pretended like I was stroking my own ego with the fact that you named me specifically.
As for Huawei and ZTE, they still put out crappy handsets, and those handsets are still all that we really see here in the US. i'm sure that, since they're government backed OEMs in China, they're big over there. However, they have yet to make too much of a dent in the global market. Granted, in five more years they could be as dominant as Samsung. However, it hasn't happened yet, and unless they suddenly increase their quality across the board, I really don't want it to happen.
As far as Mxy goes, yeah, ultimately he's harmless. The community at large realizes how retarded his statements get. However, your analogy about Honda doesn't hold up, because Mxy does make multiple refutable statements. He specifically references lack of update support on Motorola phones, despite the fact that save for one set of devices, Motorola's been fairly consistent and relatively speedy with updates. He kept insisting that the Moto X was like the Bionic, when the two situations (a often leaked but never officially announced device-until a month before its release- versus a phone that was officially announced and slated for a release that was subsequently delayed) are almost completely different. I'm just scratching the surface of the bull he's fed the community for one and a half years.
So yes, your defense of Mxy shows bias, or at least shows that you didn't fact check your position on him enough. I mean, hell, the dude knows what he's doing. He'll make a trollbait statement, I'll respond by curbstomping him with the boots of truth, and then in his (idiotic) response he'll say "Hook, line and sinker," implying that his entire intent was to raise hell with his BS.
Lastly, I don't know exactly why you left off with "I am loving my iPhone 5s," but okay. I'm loving my Droid Mini. Congratulations on your purchase. I guess in a year (when I'm able to get a new device on my employee plan) we'll compare notes on our experience.
52. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10312; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Hey, I'm offended that you left my name out. :(
54. darkkjedii (Posts: 18407; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
You're a techie, not an apple hating fanboy Smurf. That's why I left your name out bro +1
56. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10312; Member since: 14 May 2012)
I'm thinking about getting my mother a iPhone 5 on T-Mo. I like iOS 7 to the point where I want to use it, if it was on a larger screen that is.
+1 right back!
70. darkkjedii (Posts: 18407; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Give it a try Smurf, if nothing else keep android as your daily driver, iOS as your backup.
69. Slammer (Posts: 1498; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
As someone that supported Apple for 10 years, I won't commit to putting Apple down for certain quality apsects. I will, however, express my opinion that the business model is horrid. For a company that only holds 17% world marketshare and still be one of the richest companies in the world next to oil companies, means the company has found a way to spend as little as possible and charge far more than their competition.
I had enough of being told what I can or can't have. Or what I need or don't need on products I spent good money on. Frankly, I find this article another way to keep Apple in our face. I own an Android with Jellybean and I find that the response is immediate. I can get from point A to point B just as effectively and enjoy my device as it tailored to my personality and tastes. I just don't experience these detrimental issues with Android as the tabloids like to promote for Apple's favor. This whole "Apple does this better" stuff is getting annoying. I can name things Apple does better but can also name a hell of a lot of things Android does better. But, the most important bottom line for me as well as others that have switched to Android, is the fact that we have more control in what we do or need from our devices. I don't care how good the product may look or feel. It's useless if the company won't allow us to move about on our own merits, needs or wants.
This is why our generation spoke with our dollars in moving over to Windows PCs. Our money, our choice. The world spoke that Microsoft deserved to control 90% of the marketshare then just as Android deserves to control 80% today because they allow the consumer more control rather than the company controlling the consumer.
72. darkkjedii (Posts: 18407; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Excellent post Slammer, I agree with you while still preferring apple products. Your post was well presented. +1
80. Sadman_Hossain (Posts: 18; Member since: 01 Oct 2013)
you said Apple person that says bad about Android. Here you go- check the user from youtube named AndroidPhonesSucks. Or just google it.
There are fan boys on both sides but some people take stupidity and idiocy to a whole new level.
99. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1708; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Mxy and Quezdagreat talk s**t about Android all the time... what are you smoking?
103. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
You are confused.
Mxy just states his opinions and opinions are not facts. As you know, opinions are like anuses, we all have one. Mxy is basically harmless.
In contrast, the Apple-haters love to make bogus crap up (these weren't opinions) about Apple. You should read some of the posts when I first joined -- these Apple-haters were using just about every way to discredit Apple. It was a tough job, but someone had to discredit these nut cases.
107. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1708; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
I think YOU are the one confused and didn't even read what I was responding too. msa1988 stated that not one Apple person on here says anything bad about Android when in fact several do. Not sure what anything I posted has to do with facts, I just simply stated Mxy talks smack about Android...which he DOES. I could care less about when you first joined. No one is asking you to discredit anyone so quit wasting your time.
112. darkkjedii (Posts: 18407; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Ardent1, don't give yourself a headache bro. Trying to make a point with eclipse is like talking to dead fly. +1, and you're right about Mxy. I love how he stands his ground, cuz he's the one getting attacked 99.9% of the time. GO MXY!!!
19. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The fan bases for all OSs each have their fair share of idiotic, ignorant, and mindless people. It's just like sports.
Also, the iPhone 4S, in my experience, has a substantial amount of lag after the iOS 7 update, not just the 4. Probably due to the true multitasking, it just doesn't work with less than 1 GB of RAM.
22. msa1988 (Posts: 418; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
That they do, but it's predominantly Android on this site.
Maybe you do more on your 4S than me, but mine seems to work quite well.
81. darkkjedii (Posts: 18407; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Enjoy your device bro, but ASAP grab yourself a 5S. You won't regret it, it's a major step up from the 4S. It also gets every feature, and the processing power is "BEAST" (as my 16 year old son says after every dunk lol).
85. msa1988 (Posts: 418; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
I currently live in the UK on a Masters program and won't be back in the U.S. until December. I'll be riding out my 4S at least until then (no way can I spend £500 on an iPhone - or any phone for that matter). When I get back I'll evaluate all choices and see if I want to stay with Apple or explore other options. I'll most likely go with the 5S, but as I've stated, I'm open to all.
33. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 8940; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
You sound like a broken record. Any device past it's prime will lag. The 4 is nearly 4 years old, so obviously it'll lag.
36. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
But such rule doesnt work with Android devices, right? This excuse can be used only for iPhone?
123. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
But isn't lack of lag supposed to be the defining attribute of iOS? And don't iOS devices not lag nearly as badly prior to the latest OS updates?
15. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
We know, they're not very tech savvy, to most it's a fashion statement. .
27. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"...Android users talking about how superior Android is from a statistical level."
Doesn't every Apple event starts from statistics which actually shouldn't be important for product user? :D
Android is superior than iOS from practical level since you can do more with Android and since it is more flexible and you can more easily adapt it to your own personal needs:
29. willard12 (Posts: 1410; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
If you think apple users don't care about specs, you may want to refer back to articles about the Iphone's GPU, 64 bit processor, or benchmark scores. You can even go old school and look at the ppi of the retina display from an article a few years back.
32. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
When data is positive to them, then they say that it is very important and so on. But when data is negative to them they pretend that they don't care. In other words - hypocrites. ;)
86. DukeX (Posts: 327; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)
Yeah they don't care alright. Explain the benchmarks ifans keep throwing in everyones face. They did the exact same bs last year when the 5 was released. Ifans are KNOWN for bragging and putting irrelevant crap in people's face. And as far as the article. Most people can barely notice audio sync issues in videos. What makes you think they will notice a few ms more response time? Only a gamer "might" be able to notice this but everyones not a gamer.
21. Petiha (Posts: 3; Member since: 04 Sep 2013)
So based on people who say Android lags, and it's backed up by this test (lol, never laughed so hard) you are also saying that Windows phone lags. :) which clearly doesn't. This is just the responsiveness of the screen, it has nothing to do with the optimization of the OS.
26. amiaq (Posts: 503; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)
Wow! someone create a "new category" to compensate something Apple is lacking. Scientific as it is but funny as hell.
28. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Considering the fact few people actually know about according to which iOS STOPS doing whatever it was doing when a user touches the screen and focuses on rendering the results of the touch - this is hardly surprising. For better or for worse - Android doesn't work this way.
31. willard12 (Posts: 1410; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
"Hopefully, phone makers on the Android and Windows Phone camp will quickly realize the importance of this and how it is intimately linked to the quality of the user experience."
Victor H, does this take into account the importance of haptic feedback to the user experience?
34. TheStanleyFTW (Posts: 233; Member since: 20 Feb 2013)
But isn't Lumia 920 the fastest screen: wpcentral.com/nokia-lumia-920-and-worlds-fastest-screen
48. SonyXperiaNexus (Posts: 374; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)
screen refresh rate ≠ touch response
35. Whateverman (Posts: 3248; Member since: 17 May 2009)
This was interesting. But I wonder why the Nexus 4 wasn't tested and why. The question I was left with was of course, how does a pure Android experience fair in this test? I would imagine without all the extra layers on the UI, Android could reach sub 100 or so.
37. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
Good question about how the N4 would do.
46. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Or a good optimized rom could probably hit the 70-80s.
41. prd2bsrb (Posts: 11; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)
Go ahead and try that stylus on an iPhone. It'll probably be blindingly fast. LOL
I think Apple is paying for all these "great" reviews they've been getting lately to compensate for the lack of innovation in their devices and the iOS.
42. number29 (Posts: 185; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
It's interesting to finally have a number that quantifies the lag and lack of responsiveness prevelent on Android device, and it's precisely the sort of thing that some people will be more sensitive to than others (it really bugs me, hence I can't use Android devices). More importantly, I wonder what it is about the OS and hardware that prevents manufacturers from matching Apple in responsiveness?
44. Whateverman (Posts: 3248; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Wow, that wasn't obvious at all, lol!
61. willard12 (Posts: 1410; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
114 milliseconds bugs you more than no haptic feedback, bluetooth file transfer, nfc, non-HD screen, no expandable memory or USB OTG, no HDMI, true multi-tasking, no multi-accounts, no IR sensor, no widgets..... hey wait, maybe all of the missing features answers your question. Light is fast. But, if the 60 milliseconds you lose with an android device slows your busy day, you can customize your device so everything you want is right there on your homescreen. It takes about 0.0 milliseconds to check the weather on an adroid device because most people have it on their homescreen (if they choose). But, as you said, lag bugs you and it's your preference to do without the extra 60 milliseconds. The iphone is a great device to prevent it. But, if ios continues adopting android features in the future, this could change the experience.
76. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)
As a person that uses and loves both iOS and android I will say that input lag is the most noticeable difference between the two. It's everywhere on Android; and it's very noticeable from the other side.
That being said it's gotten much better as newer internals become available.
82. number29 (Posts: 185; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
114ms more definitely bugs me a lot more than the things you've listed. I can live without the things you've mentioned, but I can't live without a fast and responsive UI (and hence I own an iPhone!)
91. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
This concept that you put forth, that just because (according to one benchmark) iOS is milliseconds faster than Android in touch response, Android is not also a "fast and responsive OS" is false and misleading. If you can't handle an extra fifty thousandths of a second, a time measurement you can't even count yourself, then you are either a supremely impatient superhuman or you're coming up with BS excuses on an Internet article to dismiss the OS you don't prefer.
104. number29 (Posts: 185; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
And I don't like Android because it's slow and laggy in comparison to iOS. Don't worry, I've used and tried nearly every high end Android device out there, so I do already know that they all fall short of the iPhone experience, so there's no need for you to tell me that I've clearly never used Android before. What I'm more interested in is what Google needs/proposes to do to fix this. Does it require an OS rewrite?
111. Whateverman (Posts: 3248; Member since: 17 May 2009)
It works great for about 80% of the population, so I don't think there is much a problem. But I noticed something... Why no bashing of WP products? They got scores around the same as the Android devices, but you never said anything about WP being laggy.
120. number29 (Posts: 185; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
Because I'm more interested in why Android is laggy rather than WP. Fixing Android lag serves to benefit by far the greatest number of people over fixing WP lag.
124. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Android has gotten significantly better over time. I can't say it's entirely, 100 percent lag free, though my Droid Mini has only freaked out on me once.
Anyway, it stands to reason that Google will keep improving Android's experience, and it's already apparent that software and hardware are reaching critical mass of lag free performance.
Even if Android still remains a teensy bit behind iOS in smoothness and response time, I'll still take Android's many, MANY advantages over iOS anyday.
118. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
so u can sense difference of 50 odd ms?
59. adeelhayat90 (unregistered)
Probably because Iphones always have same things at the same places on the screen can't be customized. On the other hand Android phones does have to work where is what :P
63. Qwerty-keyboard (Posts: 10; Member since: 29 Sep 2013)
android is lag os compare to the rest... ios,windows 8 looks fantastic!
74. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)
Any person who has used both the iPhone and high end Androids extensively knows that iOS is much more responsive to touch input. That's a big advantage of running natively perhaps since IOS doesn't have a clunky VM to deal with.
83. Sakeem (Posts: 411; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
Is this due to the fact that Anroid OS just does more than IOS? Also, where would the response time of stock android wind up on this chart? Anyway, cool test and really no surprise here. IOS devices are very responsive.
84. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
We have become the single most impatient generation that history has ever recorded. Seriously, now we get upset over waiting milliseconds?