iPhone 5: what our writers think
0. phoneArena 14 Sep 2012, 03:24 posted on
The iPhone launch is always a major event in the mobile industry. This year has not been different, as pretty much all of the attention this week was focused on the iPhone 5. We've given you plenty of coverage about the new handset, discussing every single detail of it - from the specs and the design, to the software and carrier support...
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66. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
very true new and bigger doesnt equal better......and new and bigger is all the iphone 5 is
100. Jphones (Posts: 234; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
glass and aluminum don't qualify as better. making it thinner and .5 inches taller. An there actually marketing the blazing fast download speed which really has nothin to do with them besides the lte chip its the carrier's lte that matters the most
34. RomeoJDR (Posts: 237; Member since: 09 Dec 2011)
I have to agree. All the editor's take on the new iPhone seem to jive. This phone is a worthy upgrade to the 4S and will sell in huge numbers. But, if this were any other manufacturer you would see articles headlined with "The iPhone 5 is what the 4S should have been." I am surprised by how many editors (especially on more Apple biased sites) are actually taking note on how the latest from Apple is actually lacking features found on phones running on other platforms and really offers nothing new to smartphone arena. Especially after Siri was raved about during the 4S release, although Android apps had offered virtually the same trivial function well ahead of its release. Maybe Apple is aware they are running dry on innovation thus resorting to litigation. Ray's take appears way too subjective and weighing in on the design as being "way better than the competition" is a bold statement that many people will take exception to. Sure if you compare it only to Apple's chief competitor Samsung, but Motorola has been making huge strides on the quality and design of their phones, and HTC's unibody aluminum chasis are as well designed, if arguable not better.Take a look at the One S often forgotten behind it's big brother. Don't get me wrong, I always give Apple credit for providing products that feel and look premium rather in addition to performing well, but give credit to those who are making efforts to do the same. The real advantage offered by Apple has not changed, that being software support for their products, The phone itself might not exceed the competition, but at least you know your phone will be updated to keep it relevant throughout your contract.
94. haseebzahid (Posts: 1826; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
my comment on RAY the noob writter ::::last time iphone won a award on design was iphone3 the first probably and none after that u still think their design is very good. it maybe good if u exclude all other competetors and let on iphone be the only phone but thats not the case iphone is still stuck in 2007
13. davenycept (Posts: 171; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
That's apple...i will give them that...they can make cz look like platinum
70. -box- (Posts: 3778; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Was that analogy intentional? Or did you mean "Aluminum look like platinum", or "cubic zirconium look like diamond/gemstones"?
15. lumialove (Posts: 75; Member since: 16 May 2012)
People don't seem to understand!
It's not that the iPhone 5 is a bad phone, its that Apple is selling you the same crap every year!(same thing with iPad2 and The New iPad).
Jesus! People drooling over it make me laugh so nice!
96. haseebzahid (Posts: 1826; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
i will add this to back you up againt the thumbdowns
"Watching Twilight movie over and over again is better then buying same iPhone over and over again"
20. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Kinda cool to see what everyone's personal thoughts on the phone are. Now, how about you guys do something for the Razr Maxx HD and other phones? :P
22. Stinger2U (Posts: 16; Member since: 17 Feb 2012)
Tech journalists are making me sick! (Not all of them of course)
Oh yes they are! This has gone far enough. I'm not even sure they deserve to be called journalists. I think a more appropriate name would be "marketing managers" or "lawyers". Never before in my life have
I seen such pathetic attempts to justify one company's actions like a lot of them do with Apple.
It's not just Apple of course, they justify other companies, but Apple really stands out - probably because there is too much to justify... too many illogical, self righteous and money-grabbing actions!
Do I hate Apple? Yes! (Hate is maybe too strong of a word since i feel barely any emotions toward a company - it's a company!!! Why? Because they make such beautiful hardware and fast software and yet, iteration after iteration, they still place stupid limitations, make incremental upgrades and make stupid decisions. One would then expect a respected tech journalist to condemn these kind of actions and not justify them.
Why are they doing that? Why are they justifying actions of a company whose only goal is to make more money? How did Apple manage to
convince a lot of them that, whatever they do, has a reason, and is building up towards something more perfect and refined.
Too many, just too many emotions are invested in a company that really doesn't deserve it. Sometimes it even seems tome that Apple likes to play God : "Thou shall not do that, Thou shall do this". "Thou shall not need that, thou shall need this"! "Thou shall not have Siri, for you haven't made a sacrifice of spending your money on our new perfect phone". An average Apple user replies : "Yes all mighty Apple, whatever you do MUST be right"
Of course that was caricatured - but you get the point. Scientist definitely need to research this phenomenon of people getting attached to certain brands, and maybe even develop a technique of teaching people how to think critically, and not blindly follow whatever blinks in front of their eyes. Don't mistake this for PREFERRING certain brands because it's NOT the same.
Some of pro-Apple journalist are aware of Apple's illogical decisions but, just like fundamentalist religius people who just close their eyes to the evidence or illogical stuff, they ignore them and justify them with whatever means necessary. Even if it means nitpicking on certain Steve Job's statements, on statements of other companies, on certain hardware or software
features etc. Eventually, without even knowing it themselves, they will succeed in talking themselves into acceptance of this new
situation and labeling the missing features "not that important" and "we don't really need that yet". And not just talking themselves into acceptance, but also millions of other Apple users who are searching for reasons to justify their spent money, or justify the money they are about to spend.
Continued in next post....
27. lumialove (Posts: 75; Member since: 16 May 2012)
Awesome dude,keep thrashing the jackals :)
51. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Very well said! a green from me. And true. What has this world come into? intoxicated.....
23. Stinger2U (Posts: 16; Member since: 17 Feb 2012)
Where is the objectivity in journalism these days? You guys should be the voice of reason. You guys have the power to change public opinion and point out when someone is doing something wrong. You guys have power over Apple and other companies. You guys can be heard when you say: "They have loads of money and yet they refuse to invest it innovating". You are the guys who have enough technical background to say: "There is absolutely no reason for Siri not to work on iPhone 4 - Apple just wants you to buy their new gadget).
It's just wrong (ethically and morally) when companies lie about various things. Things like software updates, hardware limitations etc.
You should be the ones who point that out. You should be the ones who are forcing the hands of various companies to do what users expect
them to do - at least to some degree. I know a lot of you are already doing that, and I know which ones. Thankfully we have a couple of "good guys".
Don't misunderstand this as a rant on Apple (same goes for a lot of other companies). I'm just baffled by the lack of common sense and clear objectivity (Whenever I think of this "The Verge" comes to mind).
How about your own ethics and morality? Can you call yourself moral when you know companies are misleading non tech savy users with their bad reasoning and you, the technical guys, are not warning anyone - not pointing out the obvious fallacies. Are you aware how much can the media affect the public opinion? If you point out all the wrong things about a certain company, hopefully people will start moving away , and thus forcing that company to actually DO something.
There is a lot more that can be said on this topic but I don't want to go into details. Maybe the lack of detailed reasoning will make more people disagree with me, but I don't have the time to nitpick everything.
I hope at least some of you guys (and girls) will at least think about this.
Just my 5 cents!
35. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
Don't you understand that people have invested far too much into the Apple ecosystem and the sheep will keep on buying that phone irrespective of how much of an incremental upgrade it is? Speaking of Apple related articles, I do agree with it. Nokia/Motorola deserved better last week. I have absolutely no problems with anyone buying the iPhone 5.. It'll probably be the best selling smartphone yet. But is it the most innovative and best one? No. Its just the sheep who've been brainwashed will make you think so. But if you want an answer to is it a good phone for someone who wants to transition into the iOS realm, I'd say yes. Journalists standards have certainly dipped after iPhone stepped into the market. But the iPhone brand has been hit by the previous two incremental updates for sure. iPhone will begin its downfall after reaching version 6s and not before that.
78. RomeoJDR (Posts: 237; Member since: 09 Dec 2011)
The reason for journalist tiptoeing around shortcomings of products, especially those with a large fan base, is simple. Journalist are like politicians, they want everyone to like them. Even the ones who have never cared for the taste of Apple coolaide or whos supply is dried up will only take subtle, indirect shots for fear of the backlash from alienated readers. If only they would come to realize that some out there are going to lash out no matter what they write, then it will be so much easier for them to provide a valid critique (highs and lows). If you back up your rationale for coming up with your opinion by using objective measures, then who care what the nut jobs out there think. You will inform, more than you offend. It may just not seem that way since the extremist are the most vocal, waiting to pounce at anyone who dares smear their beloved gadget.
31. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Sammy will bring out the SGS 4 in march next year and mop the floor with this.
And the new Nexuses will kick it down in december :p
After the Optimus G bitch slaps it.
Seriously, phones already announced that I see as better:
- Galaxy S3
- Motorola RAZR hd/maxx
- Sony Xperia T/V
Nokia Lumia 920 is great but about on par with it overall (too bulky and heavy, and absolutely inferior ecosystem)
Give other phones a deserved attention instead of blowing into Apple bubble!
71. -box- (Posts: 3778; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Care to elaborate?
It may not have a bajillion apps for it, but keep in mind many of those apps in Android and ios are clones/copies of others (aka "ports"), or wallpaper/ringtone/customization options. Windows Phone's is much more trimmed down, and there are very few popular apps that aren't present or pending
32. TerryCrowley (Posts: 184; Member since: 31 Jul 2011)
Of course Ray.S comes off as sounding like the most obvious fanboy that he is. Who didn't see that coming?
64. ojdidit84 (Posts: 293; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
And that's whose thoughts I was waiting to read going into this article. Everything was decent and well until "It's new design is very good, way better than anything from the competition." I wouldn't expect anything less from the mouth of iRay 4S.
First of all, I think that liking a design is a matter of personal preference. With the iP5, essentially all you're getting is a slightly longer, thinner iP4S, which is also essentially a slightly taller iP4. You keep getting nothing but more of the same with the iPhone/iPad. I was impressed with the iP4 when a friend of mine first showed it to me. It was a sexy design. Now, over 2 years later, essentially the same design and it's getting stale and dated.
And I completely agree with Stinger2U about journalists. Sure his statement may not apply to all, but seriously, what ever happened to being objective no matter where your allegiance lied without throwing your personal preferences or opinion into an article? Opinions don't belong in an article except for articles such as this, they belong in a blog. If I wanted to read a blog, I'd go to blogger. Instead, some of these so-called journalists subject their personal opinions on their readers as fact, knowing that they sway personal opinion through their writings.
Ray S is one of those "journalists" (blogger) whose "articles" I tend to stay away from. Michael H, Victor H (speaking of, we're missing a writer in here), Scott H, John V, all for the most part tend to write pretty objective articles and some (Michael, Scott) have written some pretty stellar articles here.
You start to lose respect for the biased writers and the medium that they use to force feed their subjective opinions which allows them to do so.
36. willard12 (Posts: 764; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Picture this, apple announces apple iPhone 5...with iOS 6 that allows you to store files on a micro SD, NFC for payments. It now allows Bluetooth file sharing with a less restrictive iTunes where you own your media files. The camera allows you to take a photo from video. The user interface is now customizable to allow you to display weather, your calendar, and social network updates, or news feeds on your home screen. A 2200 mah battery powers the the 4.3 in screen.
Can you imagine the uproar if Tim Cook really announced this? Oh well, though it doesn't have the features of a mid-range device, "it just works."
72. -box- (Posts: 3778; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
That might have been something to silence both sides. pro-apple "wow, we get what everyone else has! Amazing! I feel so free now, and realize retrospectively just how violated and enslaved I was! Magical!"; anti-apple "Well, they finally caught up, for now. Good for them. Now on to other things."
39. Gaytor (Posts: 51; Member since: 09 Sep 2012)
Not one alluded to those who have reasonal cause to be dissapointed? Great phone Apple and LTE with new processor but the editors cdnt mention that to be fair, the phone has nothing that other phones do not do and that this would prove a problem with Apple in the long run and that they should innovate more? And that, "wont be surprised if sales dont measure up? I think its a fair call to make
41. Stinger2U (Posts: 16; Member since: 17 Feb 2012)
After my long post there is one more thing I need to say! Phonearena writers were not my "targets". I like most of them here. Even their opinions on the iPhone are more realistic than on other sites (again TheVerge comes to mind - and their Joshua Topolsky - that SOB). Not perfect, but fairly realistic. I hope no one is personally offended and will consider my critique a good-intentioned one.
42. haseebzahid (Posts: 1826; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
and its obvious paid boggers and writters pushing the false fame of iphone5
45. Alistaire (Posts: 132; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
I'm predicting Iphone 5 will loose sales to the new ipod touch. Last I checked with friends still using Iphone 4 and 4s, nobody, that is no one is keen for an upgrade. Again, that may just be the people around me. I have switch from Iphone 4 to Lumia 900. My sisters switched to HTC One X and SGIII... No reason for Iphone 5 at this point.
I will get the Ipod touch only because I needed one, it can do pretty much everything the iphone 5 could do without the phone part. definitely waiting to get the Nokia Lumia 920.
46. bomariam1 (Posts: 30; Member since: 08 May 2012)
Iphone 4 t(for thin)l(for long).
I need a 6" iphone what should i do?
can your expert comment on that please.
48. raniganj (Posts: 2; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)
If ios6 was limited only to iPhone 5 then it could be said that apple had brought many changes...same thing applies to iOS 5 if it was limited iPhone 4s...since all it's iPhone's are using same os there isn't much of a difference.This problem arises because apple makes its own hardware and software....if they licence iOS then other manufactures could change the feel of os just like android(but can't help because of their ego problem or whatever!!!) if iPhone is compared with galaxy s,s2 and s3 then all there are running of different OS(as android 4.1 will soon come to s3)...manufacturers using usually don't give good software support(my lg Optimus never got ics)
So that's the diff between the two platforms and it all comes down to personal choice at the end of the day
So that's why jailbreaking is legal and it removes restrictions(can even install android on iPhone if you like)...and jailbreaking an idevice is a piece of cake!!!
49. JunkCreek (Posts: 402; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
yes, heavily and heavenly invested to buy almost all adapters even accessories for the newly iPhone 5tretch
57. henrickrw (Posts: 404; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Overall there are better phones than the iphone out there. Even a rooted glaxy s2 with a jellybean custom rom like resurrection remix gives the iphone 5 a run for it's money, the s3 blows it out of the competition & the note2 will put the nail on it's coffin.
Nothing revolutionary here, maybe for cuppertino, not for the rest of the world.
60. Marcus_h (Posts: 44; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Apple develop their products like Porsche. The new one looks incredibly similar to the old one, yet better in every way - especially at doing its core tasks. Spend some time with the new one, and the old one seems dated, but they are recognizably the same product. The 911 has a clear design DNA throughout its history, yet is always right at the cutting edge.
62. abhijeit (Posts: 25; Member since: 07 Sep 2012)
where is the innovation....a phone which plays catch up in today's market...y are the writers soo biased?? will they say da same abt any other phone!!!
65. jibraihimi (Posts: 695; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)
People waiting for Apple to innovate next year, are for shock, beco apple isn't gonna innovate anymore. I think they have decides not to innovate anymore after iPhone 4, and with Steve Jobs gone, Apple really have very tough task ahead; becoz u can fool somebody once, twice or thrice but hypnotism breaks one day, and whenever it will happen Apple will start going the RIM way. Instead of spending Billions of dollars on stupid lawsuits, if Apple spends that amount on it's R&D then it will always be ahead competition, but alas they have chosen to go 'sue' way instead of 'innovate' way............... Hope they come to their senses soon........
68. jibraihimi (Posts: 695; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)
And ya Apple instead of making somebody from logistics department as your CEO, if you had appointed somebody like Wozniak as CEO, then people would have been seeing groundbreaking products from your stable every year, instead of seeing the mid-tier product launched at the price of ultrabooks.................
73. xtremesv (Posts: 207; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
Bottom line: For tech specialists iPhone 5 is just OK. Anyway it's going to sell like hotcakes.
74. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the choice between both OS's becomes more clear with each year.
If you prize new features,the latest hardware and cameras, toys, customization, apps, screen size and readability, then you need an android
If you prize simplicity, curated experiences, apps, and a solid yet no need to be groundbreaking experience, you want iOS
81. maxspecs (Posts: 32; Member since: 29 Aug 2012)
i am not an iphone lover, actually i kinda hate it because it was too expensive but to find out that samsung's new note 2 is more expensive than the iphone5 then one the major adantages of samsung is lost (at least to me). and for the i phone 5 i see it as not impressive nothing new but i recommend trying note2 and iphone5 in real life then compare because sometimes with apple even with weak specs the phone is fluid and amazing, and always remember that the iphone5 is the cheaper one. well just to be open-minded try it and will try it too. i myself prefer the note2 but kinda dissapointed about the price thing
99. Tito73 (Posts: 15; Member since: 11 Sep 2012)
Paradigm! Talk like you eat, parla come magni!
101. nghtwng68 (Posts: 74; Member since: 26 Nov 2009)
The iphone5 will be a HUGE seller no doubt, but the realistic comments by writers Scott H. and Maxwell R. have to be highly considered.
After 5 years and a 6th generation iPhone being released very soon, has the hardware and OS limited the forward progress of the iPhone as an innovator in the highly competitive mobile market?
The basic structure of iOS has been in place since the original iPhone in 2007 and consumers are slowly seeking custom mobile interfaces to fit their individual lifestyles. Android, WP8 and even Nokia Belle have that custom mobile OS platforms consumers are seeking. Time will only tell with Apple as a leading innovator in the industry.