iPhone 5: what our writers think
0. phoneArena 14 Sep 2012, 03:24 posted on
The iPhone launch is always a major event in the mobile industry. This year has not been different, as pretty much all of the attention this week was focused on the iPhone 5. We've given you plenty of coverage about the new handset, discussing every single detail of it - from the specs and the design, to the software and carrier support...
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1. Ragnarockd (Posts: 47; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)
They seemed satisfied but not impressed....
6. AhmadAlsayegh (Posts: 266; Member since: 18 Jul 2011)
The only thing is that we are talking about apple, they are not targeting the tech savvy crowd as much they are targeting the mass public, so my expectation is that apple will sell like hot cakes now that apple established their brand very well, and I would not be shocked if someday apple took stones, printed their logo on them and still could sell them to the public
8. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
because our expectations were set, they were satisfied.
apple was once a leader, once revolutionary. now, they aren't much. they're good and they act like they're the best. The sad part is, the majority of the world thinks it still innovates major stuff and they think the price tag is reasonable since it's the best.
that's why they try ban. they want to be the best without innovating. i hate their plan and I hate their followers - but not the product.
29. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
It's a wrong perspective. Apple was only revolutionary because they introduced new mobile computing paradigm. It was never about the device itself.
There is a great article from Scott H.http://www.phonearena.com/news
He argues that this is just a mobile paradigm maturing, so expecting a "revolution" again is not so realistic.
There could be another revolution of course but the question is what ground or sense does it have, when we are just stepped into mature phase of this paradigm.
Everyone is anxious without true reason. They just want revolutions and innovations, like kids wanting movie sequel to be ever more explosive and grandiose.
Apple doesn't care for that. They care for perfecting the perfecting the products, and that was always their goal. It's just that revolution was collateral effect of perfecting something utterly flawed in 2007... but they never wanted revolutions. Now they are doing the same thing - perfecting products, but now everyone wants revoltion again. It's so pointless within this timeframe.
Other manufacturers are just bumbing up specs and everybody call that "innovations". They are not, they are just maturing the paradigm. There are no true innovations yet. It will be when world opens up a new "hole" in its technological infrastructure that combines technology and everyday life.
37. Daniel.P (Posts: 102; Member since: 14 Jul 2011)
True. Remember Sergey Bubka, the famous Olympic champion pole vaulter, whose record still stands to this day? Well, he broke the world record 35 times, and each time he asked for the bar to be raised with just 1cm, so he could collect the cash prize for a record at each competition. This so-called "salami tactics" is what Apple's game with the iPhone is as well.
It catches up to Androids, which have at least two yearly upgrade cycles now, but always gives extra something that is unique for the platform, be it in software, hardware or design. Since Apple created and owns the platform, it mostly needs to compete against the previous iPhone announced, though.
This holistic approach works like a charm every time - we still got the biggest upgrade in the iPhone's history with the screen going larger, which is what's considered a revolution at Cupertino HQ.
40. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
I'm not familiar with that example, but it's good!
Apple carefully holds their products out of the competition. They are upgrading only in comparison to previous Apple products, and they upgrade only in balanced manner.
This iPhone seemingly didn't bring anything revolutionary since 4 inch screens are there for years, but in context of iPhone, it's the biggest thing they did since first generation.
They are aware of that and they emphasise it even in their main commercials.
However, the society now doesn't separate Apple from others anymore. We compare them more and more every day. Apple should think abou implication of that on the long run. But I'm sure they do think about it. Remarks on how Apple is lazy, uninterested and unaware of competition is something that is probably the stupidest of all thoughts following Apple's introduction of new products in the last couple of years.
75. MartyK (Posts: 732; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
" So he could collect the cash prize for a record at each competition".
This is so true, but until the media and the people who job is to test tech and electronic stands up to say," the King has no clothes on" then this corporation will keep getting reward.
You see how every smart phones that comes out, most people call them Iphone, or Apple invented this or that; when anyone who's been around KNOWS they did not....
So as long as they get reviews from cowards or people afraid to upset the King, they will get reward for minor upgrade.
Can HTC-SAmsung-Motorola get the same review that you boys gave Apple for a minor upgrade?...we all know the answer to that question.
82. ScottSchneider (Posts: 325; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)
"This holistic approach works like a charm every time - we still got the biggest upgrade in the iPhone's history with the screen going larger, which is what's considered a revolution at Cupertino HQ."
Exactly Said... Good One...
43. TheOldOne (Posts: 131; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
I don't understand why you got so many thumbs down... is the only interesting post in this page, "our writers' personal views" included!
44. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
"He argues that this is just a mobile paradigm maturing, so expecting a "revolution" again is not so realistic."
Basing on what nokia outed, the lumia 920, there's so many rooms for revolution.
If you really want some innovations, put those R&D into real work. Invest more with them.
Perfecting a product without innovating them is like trying to perfect a true or false type of exam by answering letters a b c or d.
This is technology we're talking about. There's no room for "no" innovation. Innovation will continue as time passes by. That's how the world goes.
True, apple was revolutionary. I totally agree with that. The OG iPhone was truly an innovative and ground breaking product. It opened the eyes of so many companies on how things should be treated.
And again, true that bumping specs are not innovations. But bumping those specs by a different process makes it innovative. An example would be PureView. No one can argue here that it's a true innovation.
If I compare nokia and apple, there's a thing I can say. Apple had it, but now, they're not trying their best to offer the best in the market. It's like nokia once again. A decade ago, nokia was like that. They were once best, but let it go. They didn't really focus on producing innovative smartphones, now they're suffering.
If you want to stay on top, don't stop when you established your brand/company name as the best. There's always room for innovation. You just have to look for it, and make a good use for it.
Anyways, +1 for you for giving a decent opinion.
47. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Nokia is now paying the price of inertness by working hard on forcing the innovation that would "change the game". However, since this is ontologically not the time for paradigm shifting, their efforts will be useless. I appreciate what they are trying to do, but as the introduction and campaign showed, they are no match for Apple's genius of handling the market.
They need to realize that innovation is never on technical level, but ideological. Here lies the upcoming doom of Nokia. Because no matter what they do, it will always be compared to Apple, and this only means that they are not innovating a new system, but only racing within old one.
Nokia did not innovate something paradigmatically different, just aesthetically and technologicaly. It's failure will show that te evental space did not form a void from which a new paradigm could emerge. It's gonna be a while till this happens, and then we'll see if Apple without Steve Jobs' paradigm-changing mind will be able to introduce new stuff.
54. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
That's my point.
You don't need to create a new paradigm to have something innovative. Nokia's newest flagship is the most innovative smartphone as to date,IMO.
Innovation is the process of improving an existing invention in new ways. What you're saying that innovation is never on technical level is plain wrong. What your pointing out is "marketing". It has nothing to do with innovation. And apple has it. They are good at it. No let me correct that, they're the best in terms of marketing. And that what make them victorious compared to these OEMs.
Nokia on the other hand, is best with improving their products. They always find ways to be the best, but what really brings them down are the mindset of people that nokia is doomed to go down. That having a nokia product will not give you the bragging rights the apple or samsung or even htc's way. No matter how they try, if people really hate the product in no main reason, they won't buy it.
But in what they are pointing out, it would come to the point that, the hype will end especially now that Apple is just playing catch-up game with android. We may not really realize its effect by now, but comes the time that it will end.
I want Apple to relieve the hype, the Steve Jobs' way. The hype together with what you're saying a "paradigm-changing" innovation. I want a true innovation the apple way. I don't want the disappointments every after an announcement.
85. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
By "true innovation" you mean paradigm shift.
Did Nokia bring some innovation? Actually, no.
They perfected the existing systems, taking it to the nect quantitative level. Photos and videos are now stable and more beautiful, the screen is faster and of higher quality, charrging is now wireless, user experience is better - but the product itself belongs to the same mobile paradigm established through 2007.
Did Apple bring some innovation in 2007? Actually, yes.
Because they changed paradigm.
They didn't invent any technology, but they assembled it into a product not only qualitatively on higher level than others, but product which *no one has ever been even able to imagine*.
This is the condition for innovation. Unimaginability. The breakthrough from the void, that has not been concievable before.
Now, you (and the whole world) are wrong in both cases: you think that Nokia innovate, and you want for Apple to innovate.
Apple and Nokia cannot innovate right now. They can just improve on existing innovations. Both in their respectable fields. iPhone is not competition to Nokia, it's a competition to itself. It has its own standards which it sets even higer every years. It doesn't care for competiton - not the Apple as a company, but iPhone as a product. They know very well in Apple that this is the only way to keep competition out of the way. And they are pretty successful regardless of "expert" opinions who think they know what innovation is.
86. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
What? Nokia as not innovative?
See, you don't need to introduce a new paradigm just to be innovative. We can argue all day long but, that's really wrong.
You can innovate something without shifting the paradigm you're into. Like what you're saying before, perfecting a product. But you can't perfect a product without introducing new ways/innovations to go into your goal.
What you're saying that innovation is paradigm shifting is called revolution. Sure, you can shift the paradigm together with an innovative product, but the thing is, that's called revolution.
Like what all the OEMs are doing this days, they are finding ways to innovate products by staying in the paradigm introduced by Apple from its revolutionary product.
And also, you must be blind by saying that nokia is not an innovative company. GSM? They're one of the pioneers. Without nokia's innovation and also revolution, apple smartphone could have not been existed.
Apple is revolutionary. Nokia is innovative. That's it.
88. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
To some extent you're right. But I say to "extent" because what you are referring here is technological innovation on a smaller scale. For instance, moving lens on PureView Phase 2 in Nokia's new phone. It is innovation on a scale of camera technology, but only a linear progress, an evolution in making better photographs.
To this level, we could say that Apple also has this kind of "innovation". Not in the same field though, but nevertheless improvement just like Nokia's improvement - they did not introduce tech innovation around camera but they DID MAKE PHOTOS BETTER. In the field of quality of construction, Apple did innovate.
And so we can go to absurdities - endlessly counting the small tech innovations and comparing their number. Besides, who are we to judge on their value - some will say innovating the way something looks or feels is much less valuable than innovating on quality of camera etc. And then we are lost between different qualitative and quantitaive categories.
The point is - Nokia and Apple are innovating, in their respective fields - the small technological solutions and their implementation. But you don't want that. You want BIG stuff.
So far you actually believed that Nokia brought you the BIG stuff. Because some innovations on a small scale you value, and some of them you don't. But that's just your abitrary preference.
91. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
I agree with you in the part where you say that as of now, innovations are on small scales or part. In that it can't create a new paradigm you're talking about.
But at the same time, I beg to disagree with you saying that I believed that Nokia brought me the BIG stuf because some innovations on a small scale I value.
The thing is, Nokia is one of the pioneers in this industry anyways. Without it, Apple can't have the GSM as the most fundamental way of connectivity of our mobile devices, (or CDMA in US).
Nokia brought so many big and super innovative stuff in this industry just like how apple revolutionize the smartphone industry.
True, we can argue here as much as we want because we have some different beliefs, but somehow, at least, I can say what I really know and what I really am learning in school(communication and its evolution).
Anyways, kudos for the stuffs you've introduce in this argument. :)
97. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Thanks (thumb up).
Nokia undeniably changed the communication paradigm with mobile industry, and developed it for decades with better devices and newer technologies. They even upgraded it to cover other aspects of consumer technology, like photography and multimedia in general.
Nokia pushed others in those areas to improve and give us top-notch devices, and it finished with smartphone.
However, the paradigm then came to its end. End of its "cycle", that is. The next step would be to integrate IT industry with mobile industry.
But in 2007, Apple did it in a right way. I have recently tried to use my old SonyEricsson P900 touchscreen smartphone. I was shocked by the fact that I called it "smartphone" back then. It's almost unusable. And it's more usable than Nokia or Samsung "smartphones" from that time.
The way we use smartphone today is nothing similar to smartphones from that pre-iPhone era.
Nokia was revolutionary, and then Apple was. But both companies cannot deliver another true revolution within their systems.
This paradigm will probably also come to an end and then there will be space opened for new things, which will somebody turn in their advantage.
This also reminds me on changing MP3 paradigm. MP3 players today are dead in symbolic sense of the word. They are not a sign anymore. Apple was the king of this paradigm but now even Apple can't control it, because they are their own death. Because of iPhone, iPod fell to the second... pardon, third place. And whole industry followed.
BTW the same thing is happening with cameras. No more need for standalone consumer cameras, as those technologies converge.
So, those dynamics of the industry I would call revolutions. Change of systems.
Apple is not currently making it, neither does Nokia. It's not realistic to expect innovations except on a small scale in purpose of upgrading the quality, efficacy, aesthetics, build quality etc.
Samsung is trying something with the Note, but that's another long story...
80. lyndon420 (Posts: 3032; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Too bad apple doesn't care too much what their customers want. Before the big unveil there were some concept videos floating around that had hologram displays and a virtual laser keyboard. Now I know these concepts are just that, and concepts rarely move beyond that, but the fact that some ifans put these together shows that someone is dreaming of something more for their iPhones. The way I see it, Google can just sit this year out and either take a break or focus on something else for awhile because they have more than enough phones (from last year even) that outshine the iphone5. Kinda sad when last year's tech out does this year's tech from the worlds richest company.
84. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
How many times do I need to say this: it's never about the technology. Technology itself is irrelevant.
It's all about projecting meaning on a product or even sign. This meaning is ultimately the only true relevant thing about smartphones.
iPhone is the most advanced device in this term - everything it has is perfectly harmonious in terms of its meaning to consumers and what they do with it.
So, meaning. And Android has still a lot meaning to create to catch up with iPhone.
Actually, the Google's enormous efforts, and also Nokia's and Microsofts' ones, are focused on achieveing some meaning to be able to even start to compete with Apple in this matter.
102. JohnZimmerman (Posts: 14; Member since: 17 Sep 2012)
Come on now. Let's be realistic. No man-made device is "perfectly harmonious" with anything in nature.
We're not talking about perfect slabs of apple-branded gold floating in the heavenly iClouds (versus whatever those unGodly google devices are which lack so much meaning to consumers.)
We're talking about phones, whose meaning to each consumer is different depending on the consumer's perspective.
To me, an iPhone means a relatively fast and stable smartphone with all the features and applications I like to use, and an android phone means a similarly fast but less stable smartphone with all the features and applications I like to use.
To others, the devices mean much different things, which make iPhones or android phones more appealing to them.
Technology is very relevant. Without comparable speed, the iPhone would mean something less desirable to me than an android phone. But for now, I prefer iPhones (with my limited little perspective).
63. Fallout09 (Posts: 421; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
College Humor said it best..... "COASTING. From now we will be coasting"
14. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
of course, officially it is "iPhone 4 SS" = iPhone 5 :)
50. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
i agree with all of them. really nice article and thoughts from all the writers! it's the new iPhone, not iPhone 5! Steve jobs would never agree to this, cause its to "LONG" and doesn't look right....
56. -box- (Posts: 3978; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Of these, I think I agree with Michael, Daniel, and Nick the most.
John V's words embodied exactly what I expect from apple buyers. "Yes, it's better, but wait until next year!", compared to recent sentiments for Android, especially Samsung, along the lines of "This is the best device they know how to make, it's awesome, and I'm beyond satisfied", or Windows Phone, "This is nicely different, well-done, and the efforts for hardware and software are very impressive, as they focus more towards overall and individual quality and experience rather than insignificant benchmarks and upping the spec sheet for the sake of it."
58. zuckerboy (banned) (Posts: 898; Member since: 22 Dec 2011)
seems we have to wait next year to see impressive phones ...
2. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
their opinions are similar to ours and many around the world.......which will indeed influence the number of sales this time around
5. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
It's not really about the iPhone 5. At this point its Android OS vs iOS vs Windows - chose which you want. Even if Apple added NFC, and wireless charging, and even if the iPhone 5 proves to be one of the fastest LTE devices on the market, the people who don't want one, don't want one. That's fine, all the power to everyone and whichever OS/device they choose. Just don't break into my home and attack me (or worse disconnect my wifi) while I'm pre-ordering.
...and just kidding about "or worse" part. Obviously being attacked is worse. *I feel the need to clarify so the fandroids don't actually believe I value the iPhone 5 more than I do my life.*
9. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
aaaa actually if ios did have those things you mentioned or were trying to mention ........why wouldnt i get it??
apple sucks dude and you know it.....
12. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
iOS or iPhone 5? Read my comment just one more time
19. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
both dude what do you mean? if ios wasnt soo restricted and the iphone didnt cost so damn much! is that what you wanted to hear?
26. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I really don't know what to tell you dude. If you want Android, that's great good choice (I thought I made that point pretty clear).
I think the confusion is because I replied to your comment when I probably should've just created a new post. When I said "you" I didn't actually mean "you" as in Xperia-Knight. I meant "you" as in the readers, my bad
33. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
ok man cool......n sorry for goin a little hard there
89. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
all three have fun and chill watch this :D
3. wendygarett (unregistered)
I only agree what Ray says :D
17. Sniggly (Posts: 7291; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
And of course Ray is the only one who makes the unbelievable statement that the design is "way better than anything from the competition."
Of course he would. I'm not surprised.
However, I still seethe at such a biased and unsupported statement.
76. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
It is a little biased, but then again this article is about personal opinions so he's allowed to say pretty much whatever he wants.
And I think its fair to say that Apple spends more time on their design and build materials than most of the competition, sometimes maybe too much time.
79. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
we all know Ray S is the resident Apple fanatic writer. Thats not news. He's done a better job for the most part of being more impartial in his reviews than he used to be.
How the heck can apple "spend more time on design and build materials than most", when their designs havent changed in over 3 years. It will be over 4 years when the i5s/i6 comes out to see if they change things up.
Thats not spending ANY time on designs. When your biggest design change in 3 phones is 0.5 inch larger screen, new connector, and speaker holes at the bottom of the phone, your just coasting.
On the flip side you have Samsung which seems to change their design yearly, HTC which went wild (then pulled an apple and became afraid to change more), and the rest.
Of the total group, I'd say Apple may spend the most "money" on design, but they are in a tunnel, and they are getting by far the LEAST production out of their design team.
83. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
We can say similar things about the other writers. And Samsung's designs suck. When the SGIII was first announced, people hated the design but I guess soon learned to get over it. I (any many others) think the SGIII's design is a step down from the SII. Simply changing the design doesn't mean its better. You said yourself that HTC isn't that great anymore. And Motorola releases the same damn design thing every year (and most people don't seem to mind at all!).
I can't really comment fully on the iPhone 5 since I don't have it yet, but from what reviewers are saying, they think it feels great and they like the new build materials. Additionally, I really don't think its easy to fit all the up to date internals in the smaller frame of the iPhone 5 (big phones have an advantage, seeing they have a lot more space to pack everything in and still stay somewhat slim). I'm just impressed that they were able to pack everything that competition offered and still make the iPhone 5 lighter, thinner, and sleek (completely flat in the front and the back). Doesn't seem easy.
the reason why I said "maybe too much time" is because I feel that if they weren't so meticulous about thinness, sleekness, etc etc, I bet they could sacrifice the design and pack more things inside. i.e. they probably could have had a 13 megapixel camera if they did what Motorola does and add a lump to the top of the iphone. But Apple will never do that.
87. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
I like the design of the SGS3. Though it looks a lot like the american SGS2 with a big button, just doesnt look like the euro SGS2.
the new build materials? lol the only thing that is different is a strip of metal going through the back center of the phone. It's all love it or hate it. The i4 was pretty ... 3 years ago. Its dated now. Time to move to something else. There is a point when iconic becomes classic... then just becomes old. I think we are at that point. If the i5s/i6 use the same design im going to laugh my ass off... and I completely expect at least the i5s to be the same.. which means you will be going on 5 years before you see a change. That is boring no matter how you slice it.
Apple is always asthetics before function and power, so yea, your very unlikely to ever see a 13mpx camera until they are small enough to fit into the design at hand. That said, by the time they do fit, the light sensor will be so small I doubt the quality will be worth a damn.
92. Peter27 (Posts: 233; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
I dont understand why everyone goes about the design so much. We live in 2012 and the bezel at the top and bottom is just too thick. Even that home circular home button. There should not be any physical buttons nowadays anymore.
My personal opionion. I like Galaxy S2 design much more then iphone. Bigger screen but very little of a bezel with a smaller home button, and a very nice thin phone. I think it is just perfect size to your hand, including perfect size of a display. I cant get used to design of S3. For some reason dont like it that much.
77. RomeoJDR (Posts: 242; Member since: 09 Dec 2011)
Sure, his thoughts are the only one that appear to be written by a female covering all the aesthetics without any subsistence and throwing in comments like like "not as cute." Can't help but laugh reading that one.
4. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
We are disappointed, but we got what we wanted.
16. joey_sfb (Posts: 4453; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Disappointed? how so? Apple has delivered the best design for the price they are going to charge.
I would have prefer a Razor M design for the iPhone 5, spec wise its a good balance between the build-in battery, screen size and LTE connectivity.
Aluminum shell is sleek that i like very much. Its appeal over the iPhone 4S is obvious.
90. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
*best desing* man get out of stone age its same designe dating back from iphone4 ever seen iphone4
here is what apple fans look like now days Sheeps
Apple really did made the fun of you all guys
7. davenycept (Posts: 199; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Its nice but nothing to sneeze this I guess if you currently have an old iPhone its a nice upgrade but of you are an Andriod user of a high end smartphone There's no true reason to get this..
10. Jphones (Posts: 235; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
"It's new design is very good, way better than anything from the competition, but doesn't seem as cute as the previous iPhones, to me at least." Ray S.
Ray do you wear glasses? You must have broken them while on this all day Apple frenzy. That Glass Can is not better than most if any of Androids top end phones. All they did was make it taller and aluminum looks exactly the same just a slightly different color. Every other manufacture actually came up with a new design for their high end phones. SG3, RAZR, HTC, LG, Sony I mean come on all them combined have less money then apple and your telling me thats the best idea they could come up with? Epic Fail of an over hyped over priced glass can.
18. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
There is currently only one phone on the market that has better, or at least qualitatively similar design to iPhone 5:
- Nokia N9/Lumia 800
So, I agree with Ray S. - it is far better than anything from competiton.
You just mix the term "new" and "good".
21. Sniggly (Posts: 7291; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Except I don't mix those terms, and I still disagree with Ray.
I think the best design out there is the Razr Maxx HD's. I've never had a thing for "pretty" phones, necessarily. I like phones that are built well and are a little unique. The Maxx is solid and durable without being a brick and looks good to boot.
The iPhone 5 is just a stretched iPhone 4S on the front, and the back isn't exciting at all. And the glass at the top and bottom is stupid, and just begging to get broken.
38. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Nobody said that one should always want something pretty.
But to say iPhone isn't pretty, or that Ray S. is blind because he said it has excellent design - is utterly wrong.
iPhone is a hallmark of top-notch industral design.
61. Sniggly (Posts: 7291; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
And what makes it "top notch industrial design" in a way that nothing else is?
30. Ray.S (Posts: 280; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)
Spot on. When I said "better than anything from the competition", I kind of missed the Lumias. They are very, very close, if not on par with Apple.
53. aokde (Posts: 186; Member since: 09 Jul 2012)
what the hell O.o, did you not see the XPERIA V? hell, the 2 year old XPERIA arc looks sexier than the new iphone.
69. -box- (Posts: 3978; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Or, y'know, better. It's ok, you can say it, we won't hold it against you.
Ray, you are aware apple gets its designs (except the air laptops, which were taken from other super-thins and rounded out a bit with minimal ports, nothing special about it) from Braun, specifically the Deiter Rams era, right?
95. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
are u serious lumia won second price in desing award of 2012 or 2011 last quater or was it N9 first one was motrolla razaer i dont remeber correctly but iPhone wasnt even in nomination get your facts correct iphone design is nothing against the competetors just making same thing again and again dosnt make it better
67. Aeires (unregistered)
Samsung Atrix and Sony Xperia series.
28. Ray.S (Posts: 280; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)
"New", or "bigger", does not equal "better."