iPad 3: which rumored feature do you want the most?

10. oddmanout posted on 06 Mar 2012, 09:31 0

True, but they have to make a product that can compete and do more than the competition can for a whole year. The TPrime almost does the same in a nice package and that's before mentioning the competition down the road.

7. PAPINYC posted on 06 Mar 2012, 09:22 2

Oh the horrorrrrr.

BTW, the correct spelling is ethiCally; always cApiTaliZe a consonant that succeeds a lower-case "i".

9. remixfa posted on 06 Mar 2012, 09:31 2

spelling police.. oh my! good thing i wasnt turning this in for a grade huh?

geesh.

11. remixfa posted on 06 Mar 2012, 09:33 4

durk, who dares post before I can edit!! lol.

what i was trying to make it say was

"good thing i wasnt turning this in for an iGrade, huh?"

I dont drink the apple flavored kool-aid, sorry :)

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13. PAPINYC posted on 06 Mar 2012, 09:35 1

No need to apologiZe...lol (iMean iLol)

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14. ayephoner posted on 06 Mar 2012, 09:43 3

you think any tech products are made outside of such practices?

31. remixfa posted on 06 Mar 2012, 10:40 1

YES.
Granted Foxconn and companies like them make the bulk of the products. Other companies take a more ethical route.. and yes, most of them were forced to, so change doesnt happen for free. Samsung is an example of that. They do most of their main mobile products in house. Their employees get paid more than foxconn peeps, they have health benefits and vacation/sick days and no forced 24-36 hr shifts like apple-foxconn workers.. Granted it may not be up to "american standards", but thats not what I'm looking for. Very few countries get the types of benefits we get here.
Im looking for humane. Apple-foxconn is not humane.

34. ayephoner posted on 06 Mar 2012, 11:32 3

foxconn makes a majority of electronics on earth and for a ton of manufacturers. and foxconn is not the only one with such practices.

samsung may have vastly better conditions, but i assure you they use some components from other companies and some of those companies use questionable labor practices.

i agree its awful, but to act like buying an ipad is bad and buying some other tablet is good is naive.

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38. remixfa posted on 06 Mar 2012, 13:15 0

whats worse... taking some sort of stand or throwing your hands in the air and saying 'oh well' and helping it continue?

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45. Contreramanjaro posted on 06 Mar 2012, 16:35 2

I agree with you remixfa however you can go ahead and plan not to buy an Apple product for years I think. This is also true for other companies such as, and this hurts my soul, Asus. The main problem is that no one gives a s**t. The small amount of people that do give s**ts have done great jobs for their numbers.

The only ones that can change the practices are the consumers. Yes, not buying an iPad will send a message. Apple is big enough and important enough that they are the leader to follow. The one thing someone like Apple, who finds success through customer trust and loyalty over technical innovation, cannot afford to lose is their customers.

How innovative is the iPad really? Its specs are not that impressive, even if all the rumors proved to be true. Really they aren't. People tend to compare the iPads to $300 tablets instead of $800 tablets. Why is this? Because Apple has a name people can trust. You expect an Apple product to be high quality and that's why you'll drop more money on it. I know. (Typed on MacBook Pro)

Sure other companies are not any better, but other companies aren't sitting on piles of money with $500+ shares. We expect successful companies to give back, like General Motors after the bail out or BP after the oil spill.

If you buy this product, you are telling Apple you will buy it anyways. You are telling them that as long as they get the product to you, you will feed from their hand unquestioning. Maybe it's worth it to you. You have a responsibility to vote in your government and you vote with your money for corporations. Sure, we can't expect Ron Paul to win, but I don't think that's the plan. Perhaps the plan is to get popular enough just to tell your message so people cannot ignore it so easily.

tl:dr You vote with your wallet. Even if it's only one vote, maybe it is enough to influence the others.

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50. Lucas777 posted on 06 Mar 2012, 19:39 0

i really dont think it is an apple thing… how can u expect apple to switch operations out of china and into the US, where they will not be able to make money? cause honestly try as they might (not saying they are) but american corporations are not going to fix the problem in china-- they will eventually fix themselves…

and the ipad is pretty darn innovative… it kinda created the consumer tablet market… u cant just say oh its brand name and marketing.. there has to be a fantastic product to back it up… and instead of spending money on unnecessary tech specs that most people dont care about, apple creates a sturdy and captivating product… u cant say apple created a huge tablet sector on loyalty…

and i think giving back is more of a personal thing than a corporate thing… people like bill gates are extremely generous, but he doesn't give up Microsoft's funds, its his own… additionally, i dont think bp was extremely charitable until after the oil spill-- which was to right a wrongdoing and save their company…

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51. remixfa posted on 06 Mar 2012, 19:52 0

i feel like ive explained this 1000 times.. because i have

its not an "apple" thing, its a mass problem. Apple happens to be the biggest and the worst of the foxconn suppliers.. by foxcon's own words. by foxconn's words, the major suppliers set the working conditions and the wages as part of the supply contracts they have. apple makes 70% per iphone/pad, foxconn makes 2% on the contract. if foxconn wants to raise wages they have to renegotiate the terms with apple or whomever the customer is.

Are the jobs coming back to america? doubtful. Could they? yes, quite easily. Would it create a mass hike in product prices? very unlikely. most of the impact woud be absorbed by apple. they would make a 55% margin per device instead of 70%. Samsung, qualcomm, Ti, Moto, and even Nokia have or had manufacturing operations in the US. Samsung is opening new factories in texas for their chips.

Am I trying to bring the jobs back to america? NO. Thats not my goal. That would be a dream come true, but right now I'm fighting for the first step, ethical conditions in the products we buy. Who orders from foxconn? nearly everyone. Are conditions equal at foxconn factories? No. Apple's ipad factory in chenzen gives workers an average of around 60-70 cents an hour.. MS's Xbox factory gives them about 1.30 an hour. Neither are good. The mass suicide attempt was at the Xbox factory a few months ago.
Am I boycotting just Apple? No.. that would be too easy. Im also boycotting brands I actually use like MS, dell @ foxconn (they manufactur outside of foxcon as well), Asus, and dozens of other brands. It sucks, because I am a first in line customer for the last 2 Xbox's and I had planned on being a first night customer for the next Xbox.. which I wont be doing now.

If its made at foxconn, i wont buy it. I am trying to get others to do the same. A very minor sacrifice in the electronic toys of our lives can force a drastic improvement in thousands of peoples lives over seas. If enough people loudly proclaim a foxconn boycot, things will change. On just some very minor bad publicity both Apple and MS raised the rates at their factories (and it still sucks). What do you think would happen if a large group of people kept the press on them and didnt donate their dollars to them? Things would change.

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53. Lucas777 posted on 06 Mar 2012, 20:39 0

did i ask you? but since u must… here goes…

i fully agree that conditions are bad… but honestly i dont think americans should scarfice their businesses when the chinese people cant figure it out… let them revolt! it would be better for america in the long run… and i dont own very many products made at foxconn either save for my mac cause it is very wrong what happens… but it is not up to america or american companies to determine it… do you think china would stick up for us? and ya i would like to say we are a "better" society too and help… but we cant afford to always be the policeman of the world

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54. Contreramanjaro posted on 06 Mar 2012, 20:46 0

Don't put words in my... keyboard. Nowhere did I say to move operations to the US. They did create their tablet sector on loyalty. Introduce iPhone (yes, very innovative) build on that popularity. Every iPad owner I know has an iPhone and/or Mac. Of course there are others that go against the mold but these are generalizations.

Also, sure it was Gates and not Microsoft but Microsoft is not as profitable as Apple. Apple is sitting on huge sums of cash. At this point it's safe to say their profit margins are greater than what they need to be.

I have my own feelings about this idea. It is not within my patience to explain the whole situation but I base my ideas on history. Think Upton Sinclair, the American child labor disputes and so many more. You seem intelligent enough Lucas777, and I say this not to demean you but to hopefully direct you, no problem has ever fixed itself. It is based on the people who will do whatever it takes. The Montgomery Bus Boycott worked out.

Also, corporations are absolutely persons now (Citizens United).
American corporations also led to the modern Chinese labor laws.
If you are American, you must remember that you have rights as well as obligations to govern yourself. If you do not, someone else will, and they will do it for their own profit.

No disrespect, just something I'm quite outspoken about.

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55. Lucas777 posted on 06 Mar 2012, 21:26 0

my bad.. i normally assume people want to bring jobs to the us.

there is no "need to be" product margins… if we truly follow our capitalist system (which we should) then everything works itself out-- people get jobs and other people make money…

i think i portrayed my "fix itself" wrong… i agree that leadership needs to come.. but i dont think it comes from foreign intervention.. when britain faced the industrial revolution, they worked themselves out gradually over time nobody came in and forced it on them.. others such as Russia overcame their difficulties and are on the track to work themselves out… i just dont think its for foreign intervention

as you said, i have rights and obligations to myself and my country… not to the chinese… i mean its really a horrible thing to have to do, but i just dont see america as able to help china… they certainly dont help us in many respects… I think the best solution would be to imply the gradual change towards a stable, democratic nation where there is not corruption… as the chinese make more money, they will become more educated and eventually realize what their country has come to on a mass scale… its a pattern in history so i think it will happen again

and this is the internet comments section! i would never be offended.. possibly annoyed though haha

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58. Contreramanjaro posted on 06 Mar 2012, 21:45 0

Ah yes. I see where you are coming from and now I will propose an agree to disagree sort of thing since this has strayed quite a bit from the subject potential iPad 3 features. Cheers. Sam

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61. remixfa posted on 06 Mar 2012, 22:47 0

comparing china and brittain are apples and oranges. Brittish people had and have a lot more rights than Chinese people. Brittish people dont get murdered in the streets for speakin against the government.

America is actually a prime culprit for Chinese labor. Our companies and government have worked with their government to find "mutually beneficial " agreements for labor. Sweat shops and slave labor were the agreement they came up with. That whole "American's dont want to pay more" mentality is what has allowed this to be swept under the rug for so long. Yea, just about every other country is helping screw the workers too, but America is by far the largest consumer in the world... so in that respect, we have control over world wide working conditions. If America said No More and actually meant it.., the rest of the world would change with it.

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63. Lucas777 posted on 07 Mar 2012, 00:01 0

and if we said no more, we would tank our economy even farther and the global balance would literally have to reset itself… so sacrifice the global economy for china? no--- they need to gradually sort themselves out

and britain at the time was (is?-idk grammar) quite comparable to china… workers made barely enough to survive--they even passed laws the make life more miserable in order to "spur the workers to work"… socialists were barred from government but eventually, as can be seen right now, all is well… but Britain did it on their own.. they didnt (and couldnt) depend upon anyone else

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19. oddmanout posted on 06 Mar 2012, 10:01 2

Can you imagine the hassle with iPhone apps that are enlarged on a screen that big with a resolution that high. Instead of 2x you'll have to 4x or 16x lol.

20. remixfa posted on 06 Mar 2012, 10:03 1

lol, they will either be pixelated to all hell from the zoom, or they will stay in their natural aspect and be in a tiny box on the screen.

people dont think about that when they get all excited. lol

18. remixfa posted on 06 Mar 2012, 09:53 1

its funny how people just willingly accept that their products are made with the blood of slaves, since "everybody is doing it".

Not everyone.

And it doesnt make it right. The only way to stop it is to stop buying products made in that manner. Does it severely limit your product options? Yes. But if everyone had the willpower to do it for a year or 2, then manufacturers would get the hint and improve conditions or face going out of business.

Or you can just go along and keep buying those super high profit margin devices knowing that just a little bit of action could have improved & saved thousands of people's lives. Join Gallito in the "its not in my house so i dont care" mentality.

35. ayephoner posted on 06 Mar 2012, 11:35 2

if i really thought you felt this way, i would aplaud you.

but, i know you've been trolling apple and i product articles on pa for years. you've just started singing the sound practices tunes here lately. its just a new way for you to troll.

39. remixfa posted on 06 Mar 2012, 13:19 0

amazing that i "troll" this opinion all day every day in real life. And if u actually read my opinions i also give Ms the samw level of bs as well as on the nexus tablet discussion i said i would not buy it if Asus manufactured it through foxconn, as that would be hippocritical.

who's trolling?

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41. ayephoner posted on 06 Mar 2012, 13:56 1

please.

how many ways and for how long did you bash apple before you knew about or mentioned working conditions?

why do you have posts in countless apple articles? you dont come in to them to do ANYTHING but troll (and you are one of dozens).

you guys know the day before an apple keynote that there are going to be dozens of apple articles on pa. yet, you come here anyways and post multiple times in nearly every article with what you think are witty comments.

how does it not get old?

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44. remixfa posted on 06 Mar 2012, 14:51 0

so because we didn't used to know about the extent of the foxconn tragedy until recently, my opinion on it is less valid? were you born with knowledge of everything or did u learn over time? what a crazy argument .

no you have a personal issue with me and tried to call me out as a hippocrit ... and when u realized that wasn't true u just changed your argument.

I post on all articles I see fit as does every one else including u. ive seen u on many articles that didn't involve apple. like normal you have no merit to your argument.

now give me the credit for my conviction about not buying foxconn products you promised and move on.

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47. ayephoner posted on 06 Mar 2012, 17:01 1

no, you dolt. its because you have a history of hating on apple for their every move that this does not seem like sincere concern, but just another reason to hate. i'll never buy your claims to the contrary.

my only personal issue with you is your trolling.

i have no problem with where you post, but with apple articles, you're never on topic. this article for instance is about the new features of the ipad3, but you come in and post trollish comments about foxconn.

get over yourself. get over apple being a very smart, successful company with very good, successful products that uses standard business practices. i agree that they are questionable or even bad, but they are NOT unique.

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48. remixfa posted on 06 Mar 2012, 17:38 0

it asked what feature I'd like to see. I gave an honest and valid response.

I would actually buy an iPad as a way of saying thanks for changing their practices... but that wont happen.

you I nuts always forget that I defend and attack any company that deserves it. u don't care when I call out Samsung for cheating I/O scores or when I chastise MS for their foxconn practices, or HTC for releasing the same phone over n over again... no.. u only specifically care when I dare speak out against apple. I don't remember u Patting me on the back when I defended apple against android nuts and got called an I shaep.

its completely hipocritical.

btw the only way to change people's minds are to stay in their face with the reality of what's going on. so yea I. going to take an opportunity to continue the fight against foxconn when it arises.. on apple, MS, Asus, or any of a dozen others.

remind me how much u like or don't like it on any of the threads I've brought up other companies.. I don't see ur replies on a single one.

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49. ayephoner posted on 06 Mar 2012, 18:17 1

im hardly an i nut. i dont currently own any apple product and have only ever owned a single iphone 3g.

and im still not buying a word of it. how do explain your constant trolling of apple articles prior to your knowledge of foxconn?

if you do critique others, im sure its in a much more reasonable, appropriate manor.

this is just a new flavor of your trolling. nothing more.

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52. remixfa posted on 06 Mar 2012, 20:02 0

well, instead of arguing with me about it, round and round in circles, go find other threads and find out. I am respectful until attacked unless what you say is just so ridiculous that i cant help but poke fun at you. Is that really any different than anyone else? No, its not.

your issue with me is still some personal thing. Thats on you, not me. Dont hold me to a standard you cant hold yourself or anyone else to.

TOP 10 REASONS: For Prior trolling of articles about apple:
1) responding to rediculous ifanatic claims with facts
2) responding to rediculous ifanatic claims with sarchasm and humor.
3) steve jobs was an a-hole and deserved it, yet i was one that was calling for respect when he died when few were giving it.
4) i completely disagree with apple's business practices
5) i completely disagree with apple's constant lawsuits for BS. when they have something real to sue about, fine.. when its a napkin drawing, its BS.
6) honestly, some of you ifanatics are on another planet, and its fun just to poke the hornets nest every once and a while.
7) i am constantly called out, even before i post a single thing on the thread, which just makes me want to post.. talk to your iphone buddies about that one.
8) on the occasions where apple did something i agree with, i gave them credit...like FINALLY allowing money to be donated to charity through the company after Jobs died.
9) because i wanted something fruity
10) it was harder than i thought to get to 10, so lets just say.. because i wanted to.

lol

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59. ayephoner posted on 06 Mar 2012, 22:19 0

its too funny you cant get it through your thick skull that im not a fan of apple.

i just wish the comments section could be held to relevant discussion of each article. rather, we get drivel spewed from die hard fandroids that is motivated by an inferiority complex based distaste for an average electronics company with above average success.

and the way you guys cheer these efforts is even worse than the initial idiocy (see comment 57).

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60. ayephoner posted on 06 Mar 2012, 22:47 0

also, a couple facts for you to ponder:

samsung also uses foxconn (as do most others)

apple has initiated an assessment of work conditions at foxconn.

this is not a one sided issue.

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62. remixfa posted on 06 Mar 2012, 22:52 0

really, yet you constantly only side with apple and call any one that disagrees with you a fandroid. yea, you are a sheaple in denial.

couple of actual facts for you to ponder.

Samsung makes their high end phones and tablets in house. Galaxy line and Tab are made in samsung factories... where workers get slightly better pay, but with benefits, actual rights, and vacation/sick leave.

apple has hired a PR firm disguised as an indipendant body to assess conditions at apple. If you payed attention intstead of making blind statements, u would know this to be true. Do some research on that "independant company" and you will learn that it is a shell company made by Nike and some of the worst offenders in the world to do "inspections" that make the working conditions look better. They only inspect "donating members" factories... and for some reason rarely find major things wrong... go figure.

who said it was one sided? u arent listening to a damn thing. you are just blind post replying. the only person making it one sided is u.

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64. ayephoner posted on 07 Mar 2012, 05:57 0

i dont constantly side with apple. you are delusional. i call out fandroid trolling, which if you ever have the ability to look with an objective eye, you would see runs rampant on this site. i actually criticize apple a good deal, but in relevant articles.

can you link some of this cushy samsung work conditions? all ive ever read is that their conditions are similar and that they use foxconn for a decent amount of their products.

you have no idea what will come of these assessments. sure others have come up with less than they should. your assumption that these will be the same just shines the light on your bias even more (not that it was needed).

how have you said anything but this is one sided? you make claims that apple directly controls the labor conditions in china and could solve these issues on their own. how am i not listening or posting blindly? devote some intellect to your posts, please.

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56. Lucas777 posted on 06 Mar 2012, 21:28 0

lol way to call it out.. haha

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46. Contreramanjaro posted on 06 Mar 2012, 16:41 0

Yes, I think we can expect Lion-like gestures for that. 4 fingers up for open apps and pinch with 3+1 fingers for launchpad.

36. davecann2 posted on 06 Mar 2012, 12:03 1

@PhoneCritic,

I respect your opinion and agree to some extent.

I don’t believe apple invented these features. I simply stated that they revolutionized them. I agree that a lot of Apples features were already existing but lets face it... until Apple made them functional they were simply a gimmick. No one care about live wallpapers and unusable weather widgets.

When it comes to the hardware… why bother with duel core/ quad core if the software couldn’t utilize the performance until recently. Apple has it right on the money… Devices are just now starting to incorporate a better chip sets to utilize the performance needs of the apps (that were non-existent until now).

I like Android and many of the feature it offers that Apple doesn’t. Its simply a matter of preference… not quality.